The Reprobate Doctrine

[Daniel C]

**Votes are anonymous **


Who here believes in the reprobate doctrine?

For those who don't know,the reprobate doctrine states that the creation (Mankind) can be cut-off from Gods grace before a persons physical death,so we do not have until our last breath on earth to reconcile with God and be born again,we can be given over to a reprobate mind and rejected by God whilst still alive. The reason for this is being enemies of God or ''Haters of God'' as defined in Romans 1. Also, there seems to be a link between being a reprobate and homosexual:


Romans 1
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.




Thoughts?

 

[1213]

Who here believes in the reprobate doctrine?...

Yes, I believe what the Bible tells and according to it, God has forsaken (gave over) people that have a reprobate mind.

 

[Daniel C]

Yes, I believe what the Bible tells and according to it, God has forsaken (gave over) people that have a reprobate mind.

Well every non believer I speak to thinks every person on earth can be saved and has until they die to believe.

This doctrine of God says otherwise. It makes sense for the creator to have a system whereby he can cut people loose who despise him.

 

[NeedyFollower]

Well every non believer I speak to thinks every person on earth can be saved and has until they die to believe.

This doctrine of God says otherwise. It makes sense for the creator to have a system whereby he can cut people loose who despise him.

It is interesting that you bring up Romans 1 and this is particularly interesting in light of the political rhetoric which has defined the US party system since it's inception . Whereas many fundamental evangelical christians quote Romans 1 :21-26 , seldom do I hear of emphasis being placed on verses 29-31 ...Whereas I am in agreement with the whole passage including homosexuality ( as I must be ) , why do we emphasize homsexuality over fornication ? What about backbiting , whispering , full of envy , debate , strife ...implacable ...without mercy ...and without natural affection also includes not loving others as should be natural for believers ....it seems to be describing a hardheartedness verses a tender heartedness for these are included among those Paul calls "haters of God " ...what newscaster or politician ..christian or otherwise is free from that ? A hater of God is a hater of God .

 

[Silverback]

**Votes are anonymous **


Who here believes in the reprobate doctrine?

For those who don't know,the reprobate doctrine states that the creation (Mankind) can be cut-off from Gods grace before a persons physical death,so we do not have until our last breath on earth to reconcile with God and be born again,we can be given over to a reprobate mind and rejected by God whilst still alive. The reason for this is being enemies of God or ''Haters of God'' as defined in Roman 1. Also, there seems to be a link between being a reprobate and homosexual:


Romans 1
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.




Thoughts?

It sounds like apostasy to me, so he's I believe this. I also know people who have saving faith, and love the Lord that do some of these things as well.

At what point God says enough...perhaps it's not ment for us to know.

Those to who this would apply, would have no concern over it anyway, because they never had saving faith to begin with, or, deliberately walked away from their faith

God is patient, and long suffering, and takes no joy in the death of sinners. I would expect the actual number of people that apostisize will be relatively few.

But no one should have a cavalier attitude toward sin...saved, or, not.

 

[Silverback]

Well every non believer I speak to thinks every person on earth can be saved and has until they die to believe.

This doctrine of God says otherwise. It makes sense for the creator to have a system whereby he can cut people loose who despise him.

God did say his spirit would not always strive with man.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Who here believes in the reprobate doctrine?

I do not know what doctrine you are talking about. Clearly there are people with a reprobate mind. There are many other terms that can be used also in this regard. Infidel for example. We are to have the mind of Christ. We are to have the Divine thoughts of God. There are at least 365 verses in the Bible that talks about this. We could fill up a dictionary with all the different qualities that make up the mind of Christ. This is what we should be teaching in our school system. Not wasting time making students learn things like the capital of the states and the names of all the presidents.

 

[joshua 1 9]

At what point God says enough...perhaps it's not ment for us to know.

God said to let the wheat and tares grow together and at the end of the age the angels will sort them out. Least we uproot the wheat trying to remove the tares.

 

[PizzaAddict]

**Votes are anonymous **


Who here believes in the reprobate doctrine?

For those who don't know,the reprobate doctrine states that the creation (Mankind) can be cut-off from Gods grace before a persons physical death,so we do not have until our last breath on earth to reconcile with God and be born again,we can be given over to a reprobate mind and rejected by God whilst still alive. The reason for this is being enemies of God or ''Haters of God'' as defined in Roman 1. Also, there seems to be a link between being a reprobate and homosexual:


Romans 1
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.




Thoughts?

Well human fallen nature is falling to become like beasts . We have something that God put inside of us which tells us bad/good overall not even morally but for stuff like tasting good or bad expired food ect.

When human start acting on purpose like a beast and deny our human nature God let's these things go off and people start doing stuff beasts do and having weird fetishes so yes it is true. God is not causing them to have these fetishes he simply removed that restrain which helped people not do them untill they desired to do them and forced themselves.

Usually these fetishes are small at start then person gets consumed by mixing sex , pain and disgusting things together to really deprave themselves .

 

[Yahkov]

Well every non believer I speak to thinks every person on earth can be saved and has until they die to believe.

This doctrine of God says otherwise. It makes sense for the creator to have a system whereby he can cut people loose who despise him.

Every non believer also says that Jesus Christ never died for our sins or resurrected. Some non believers may also say there is no God. They are severely mistaken.

 

[Daniel C]

It sounds like apostasy to me, so he's I believe this. I also know people who have saving faith, and love the Lord that do some of these things as well.

At what point God says enough...perhaps it's not ment for us to know.

Those to who this would apply, would have no concern over it anyway, because they never had saving faith to begin with, or, deliberately walked away from their faith

God is patient, and long suffering, and takes no joy in the death of sinners. I would expect the actual number of people that apostisize will be relatively few.

But no one should have a cavalier attitude toward sin...saved, or, not.

Some points about your post.

I agree Gods grace depends is not predictable,he is sovereign and issues it as he choices.

I disagree the reprobates are apostates as It doesn't actually say they were saved and then disbelieved,just cut off before they were saved.

You agree though that a person can be cut off and handed over to a reprobate/rejected mind. To that I say Amen.

 

[Daniel C]

Every non believer also says that Jesus Christ never died for our sins or resurrected. Some non believers may also say there is no God. They are severely mistaken.

Yep. It's worth highlighting to these people sometimes they don't have until the end of the line to be saved. It could happen sooner.

So better get saved,if possible.

 

[Daniel C]

I do not know what doctrine you are talking about. Clearly there are people with a reprobate mind. There are many other terms that can be used also in this regard. Infidel for example. We are to have the mind of Christ. We are to have the Divine thoughts of God. There are at least 365 verses in the Bible that talks about this. We could fill up a dictionary with all the different qualities that make up the mind of Christ. This is what we should be teaching in our school system. Not wasting time making students learn things like the capital of the states and the names of all the presidents.

Well the significance of the reprobate doctrine shows people can be cut off by God before they die the physical death. There's a misconception that Gods grace is infinite and unconditional and so the reprobate doctrine is useful for cutting through that myth.

It might encourage people to seek God faster.

And personally,based on Romans 1 I see a link between the reprobate mind and sodomites. If you read into the scripture you will see the order of events is: God makes law,Person choices vile affections,God cuts them off. We are talking about sodomites choosing their sin not being born that way. Once they go down that path they get cut off. Permanently.

 

[renniks]

Well the significance of the reprobate doctrine shows people can be cut off by God before they die the physical death. There's a misconception that Gods grace is infinite and unconditional and so the reprobate doctrine is useful for cutting through that myth.

It might encourage people to seek God faster.

And personally,based on Romans 1 I see a link between the reprobate mind and sodomites. If you read into the scripture you will see the order of events is: God makes law,Person choices vile affections,God cuts them off. We are talking about sodomites choosing their sin not being born that way. Once they go down that path they get cut off. Permanently.

I would not presume to know who has been cut off and who hasn't... Certainly there are people that are so hardened but they will never respond to God, although he had given them chances to. It also sounds like it may be talking about apostates, because they once knew God.

 

[Daniel C]

I would not presume to know who has been cut off and who hasn't... Certainly there are people that are so hardened but they will never respond to God, although he had given them chances to. It also sounds like it may be talking about apostates, because they once knew God.

Hello renniks. What a coincidence you find your way to this thread. When I was writing up the reprobate thread I thought of you.

I don't presume who is cut off from God,there is a doctrine that actually tells us who is written by the Apostle Paul.

You are entitled to your opinion about apostasy and I'm not going to turn this thread into salvation loss,so please don't derail my thread. I personally disagree and view it as sodomites being the main group being cut off,and other ''haters of God'' but the scripture is there for people to draw their own conclusions.

To be clear when Paul says the reprobates ''knew God'' he never said they were saved. Also, he makes a statement about all people knowing God:

Romans 1 20
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

 

[renniks]

Hello renniks. What a coincidence you find your way to this thread. When I was writing up the reprobate thread I thought of you.

I don't presume who is cut off from God,there is a doctrine that actually tells us who is written by the Apostle Paul.

You are entitled to your opinion about apostasy and I'm not going to turn this thread into salvation loss,so please don't derail my thread. I personally disagree and view it as sodomites being the main group being cut off,and other ''haters of God'' but the scripture is there for people to draw their own conclusions.

To be clear when Paul says the reprobates ''knew God'' he never said they were saved. Also, he makes a statement about all people knowing God:

Romans 1 20
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Well I feel privileged that you had me in mind, but I'm not sure why exactly? Does this somehow relate to my theology? Since I come from a Wesleyan tradition, I believe everyone is given the opportunity to receive salvation, but the opportunities are not endless.

 

[1213]

Well every non believer I speak to thinks every person on earth can be saved and has until they die to believe.

This doctrine of God says otherwise. It makes sense for the creator to have a system whereby he can cut people loose who despise him.

I don’t think Bible means in that there is no chance to come back and reject sin. I have understood it means just that God has abandoned them to do what they want.

 

[Saint Steven]

Well every non believer I speak to thinks every person on earth can be saved and has until they die to believe.

This doctrine of God says otherwise. It makes sense for the creator to have a system whereby he can cut people loose who despise him.

I think there are plenty of reprobates that eventually turn to Christ.
In fact, the is the purpose of turning them over, that they will turn in repentance.

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

 

[Saint Steven]

When I was writing up the reprobate thread I thought of you.

Ouch. - lol

 

[Sketcher]

It's very possible, but we don't know when in fact it happens, or to whom. The problem that happens when people teach this loudly is they also tend to preach that it definitively happened to X class of people today (which they conveniently hate), when Scripture makes no such claim. Since God saves sinners of almost every kind (1 Corinthians 6:9-11) and is in the business of bringing vile people back to him (Luke 15), and since we are ambassadors of the message of reconciliation (2 Corinthians 5:20) it is not our place to try and guess who today is reprobate, let alone preach it. Rather, we are to do what we can to bring as many people into the Kingdom as possible.