The Promise of the Land to Abraham and his Seed Genesis 13:14–15

[TrevorL]

The Promise of the Land to Abraham and his Seed Genesis 13:14–15

The following gives a summary of the Gospel that Philip and Paul preached:
Acts 8:5–12 (KJV): 5 Then Philip went down to the city of Samaria, and preached Christ unto them. 6 And the people with one accord gave heed unto those things which Philip spake, hearing and seeing the miracles which he did. 12 But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.

Acts 28:23-24,30–31 (KJV): 23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening. 24 And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not. 30 And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, 31 Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.

In both of the above, the gospel that they preached contained two major areas, the things concerning the Kingdom of God and the things concerning the Name of Jesus Christ.

Part of this teaching includes the promise of the Land to Abraham and his seed:
Genesis 13:14–15 (KJV): And the LORD said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward: 15 For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever.

Paul alludes to this promise of the land and other promises to Abraham in the following:
Galatians 3:8,16,26–29 (KJV): 8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Thus he taught us that Christ and the believers would inherit the land that Abraham was called upon to view.

Kind regards Trevor

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Abraham’s covenant had multiple parts,

The gospel -in you shall all the nations be blessed

Temporal - and i give you and your descendents after you this land as an eternal inheritance,

The part paul mentioned was the gospel aspect, the land aspect is seperate, it is only given to those born of Abraham, Issac and Jacob, non of the other descendents (saved or not) had part in this aspect.

A gentile could partake of this part of the aspect, but they had to go through specific things as mentioned in the old covenant (the law) but it was only open to Israel

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings “Eternally Grateful”,

Abraham’s covenant had multiple parts,
The gospel -in you shall all the nations be blessed
Temporal - and i give you and your descendents after you this land as an eternal inheritance,
The part paul mentioned was the gospel aspect, the land aspect is seperate, it is only given to those born of Abraham, Issac and Jacob, non of the other descendents (saved or not) had part in this aspect.

I do not believe that the land promise is separate from the gospel, but that it is part of the gospel. The occupation of the land by earthly Israel has only been partial and short duration. The land was promised to Abraham for ever.
Acts 7:2–5 (KJV): 2 And he said, Men, brethren, and fathers, hearken; The God of glory appeared unto our father Abraham, when he was in Mesopotamia, before he dwelt in Charran, 3 And said unto him, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and come into the land which I shall shew thee. 4 Then came he out of the land of the Chaldaeans, and dwelt in Charran: and from thence, when his father was dead, he removed him into this land, wherein ye now dwell. 5 And he gave him none inheritance in it, no, not so much as to set his foot on: yet he promised that he would give it to him for a possession, and to his seed after him, when as yet he had no child.
God promised the land to Abraham, and as yet he has not received this land. He will be raised from the dead when Jesus returns, and then he will receive his inheritance.

Now if Abraham will inherit the land at this time, then the believers will receive the same inheritance at that time. I will simply repeat the following, and there is no basis to separate the land promise from the other promises to Abraham:
Paul alludes to this promise of the land and other promises to Abraham in the following:
Galatians 3:8,16,26–29 (KJV): 8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Thus he taught us that Christ and the believers would inherit the land that Abraham was called upon to view.

A gentile could partake of this part of the aspect, but they had to go through specific things as mentioned in the old covenant (the law) but it was only open to Israel

Gentiles are united with Abraham and Christ by faith and baptism and do not need to be associated with the Old Covenant.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Greetings “Eternally Grateful”,
I do not believe that the land promise is separate from the gospel, but that it is part of the gospel. The occupation of the land by earthly Israel has only been partial and short duration. The land was promised to Abraham for ever.
Acts 7:2–5 (KJV): 2 And he said, Men, brethren, and fathers, hearken; The God of glory appeared unto our father Abraham, when he was in Mesopotamia, before he dwelt in Charran, 3 And said unto him, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and come into the land which I shall shew thee. 4 Then came he out of the land of the Chaldaeans, and dwelt in Charran: and from thence, when his father was dead, he removed him into this land, wherein ye now dwell. 5 And he gave him none inheritance in it, no, not so much as to set his foot on: yet he promised that he would give it to him for a possession, and to his seed after him, when as yet he had no child.
God promised the land to Abraham, and as yet he has not received this land. He will be raised from the dead when Jesus returns, and then he will receive his inheritance.

Now if Abraham will inherit the land at this time, then the believers will receive the same inheritance at that time. I will simply repeat the following, and there is no basis to separate the land promise from the other promises to Abraham:
Paul alludes to this promise of the land and other promises to Abraham in the following:
Galatians 3:8,16,26–29 (KJV): 8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Thus he taught us that Christ and the believers would inherit the land that Abraham was called upon to view. Gentiles are united with Abraham and Christ by faith and baptism and do not need to be associated with the Old Covenant.

Kind regards
Trevor

Gen 17: 19 Then God said: “No, Sarah your wife shall bear you a son, and you shall call his name Isaac; I will establish My covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his descendants after him.


Gen 15: 12 Now when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and behold, horror and great darkness fell upon him. 13 Then He said to Abram: “Know certainly that your descendants will be strangers in a land that is not theirs, and will serve them, and they will afflict them four hundred years. 14 And also the nation whom they serve I will judge; afterward they shall come out with great possessions. 15 Now as for you, you shall go to your fathers in peace; you shall be buried at a good old age. 16 But in the fourth generation they shall return here, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete.”

Please try to study everything, Abraham was told he would not possess it. However he would be buried their

His descendants would be slaved in another land (Egypt) and return after the sin of the current owners has been completed (400 years)

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings “Eternally Grateful”,

Please try to study everything, Abraham was told he would not possess it. However he would be buried their
His descendants would be slaved in another land (Egypt) and return after the sin of the current owners has been completed (400 years)

Genesis 17:19 and Genesis 15:12-16 certainly give more detail of what would occur after the death of Abraham, but could you please show me where Abraham was told that he would not the land that he was promised in Genesis 13:14-15.
Genesis 13:14–15 (KJV): 14 And the LORD said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward: 15 For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever.
I believe that this promise speaks about the necessity of the resurrection of Abraham from the dead, and this will be when Christ returns to raise all the faithful and give them the inheritance of the land with Abraham.

Kind regards Trevor

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Greetings “Eternally Grateful”,
I do not believe that the land promise is separate from the gospel, but that it is part of the gospel. The occupation of the land by earthly Israel has only been partial and short duration. The land was promised to Abraham for ever.
Acts 7:2–5 (KJV): 2 And he said, Men, brethren, and fathers, hearken; The God of glory appeared unto our father Abraham, when he was in Mesopotamia, before he dwelt in Charran, 3 And said unto him, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and come into the land which I shall shew thee. 4 Then came he out of the land of the Chaldaeans, and dwelt in Charran: and from thence, when his father was dead, he removed him into this land, wherein ye now dwell. 5 And he gave him none inheritance in it, no, not so much as to set his foot on: yet he promised that he would give it to him for a possession, and to his seed after him, when as yet he had no child.
God promised the land to Abraham, and as yet he has not received this land. He will be raised from the dead when Jesus returns, and then he will receive his inheritance.

Now if Abraham will inherit the land at this time, then the believers will receive the same inheritance at that time. I will simply repeat the following, and there is no basis to separate the land promise from the other promises to Abraham:
Paul alludes to this promise of the land and other promises to Abraham in the following:
Galatians 3:8,16,26–29 (KJV): 8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Thus he taught us that Christ and the believers would inherit the land that Abraham was called upon to view. Gentiles are united with Abraham and Christ by faith and baptism and do not need to be associated with the Old Covenant.

Kind regards
Trevor

The land was promised to abraham

Repromised to issac

Repromised to jacob

Time and time again, repromised to jacobs 12sons and all their descendents. Which proves it could not be part of the gospel, in lev 26 god even gives cycles of discipline if the descendents wer disobedient, up to and including military defeat.

That is not part of the gospel

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Greetings “Eternally Grateful”,


Genesis 17:19 and Genesis 15:12-16 certainly give more detail of what would occur after the death of Abraham, but could you please show me where Abraham was told that he would not the land that he was promised in Genesis 13:14-15.
Genesis 13:14–15 (KJV): 14 And the LORD said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward: 15 For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever.
I believe that this promise speaks about the necessity of the resurrection of Abraham from the dead, and this will be when Christ returns to raise all the faithful and give them the inheritance of the land with Abraham.

Kind regards Trevor

It said he would give it to his seed, not him, you just answered you own question and proved me right, thank you

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings again “Eternally Grateful”,

It said he would give it to his seed, not him, you just answered you own question and proved me right, thank you

Abraham himself was promised the land for ever.
Genesis 13:14–15 (KJV): 14 And the LORD said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward: 15 For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever.

Verse 15 above also promises the land to Abraham’s seed and the following defines this seed as Christ.
Galatians 3:8,16,26–29 (KJV): 8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
The faithful inherit the land through Christ.

Kind regards Trevor

 

[One Son]

Greetings again “Eternally Grateful”,

Abraham himself was promised the land for ever.
Genesis 13:14–15 (KJV): 14 And the LORD said unto Abram, after that Lot was separated from him, Lift up now thine eyes, and look from the place where thou art northward, and southward, and eastward, and westward: 15 For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever.

Verse 15 above also promises the land to Abraham’s seed and the following defines this seed as Christ.
Galatians 3:8,16,26–29 (KJV): 8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
The faithful inherit the land through Christ.

Kind regards Trevor

Jn.17:3 (K.J.V.) And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.



glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.



Rev.21:22 (NAS) I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.

23 And the city has no need of the sun or of the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God has illumined it, and its lamp is the Lamb.



for the glory of God has illumined it, and its lamp is the Lamb.



The Lamb is the lamp.



Rev.22:3(N.A.S) There will no longer be any curse; and the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it,(her)* and His bond-servants will serve Him;

4 they will see His face, and His name will be on their foreheads.

5 And there will no longer be any night; and they will not have need of the light of a lamp nor the light of the sun, because the Lord God will illumine them; and they will reign forever and ever.


No need of the light of the Lamb(Lamp).


the Lord God will illumine them…….Is.60:19



glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.



Acts 2:32 (KJV) This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.



Acts13:32 (YLT) And we to you do proclaim good news — that the promise made unto the fathers,

33 God hath in full completed this to us their children, having raised up Jesus, as also in the second Psalm it hath been written, My Son thou art — I to-day have begotten thee.



2Cor.1:19 (NAS) For the Son of God, Christ Jesus, who was preached among you by us—by me and Silvanus and Timothy—was not yes and no, but is yes in Him.

20For as many as are the promises of God, in Him they are yes; therefore also through Him is our Amen to the glory of God through us.




The promises have been fulfilled.



*will be in it,(her)*.......Tree of Life.


*PPro-DF3S
Parsing Key
Part of Speech: Personal / Possessive Pronoun

Case: Dative
Gender: Feminine
Person: 3rd Person
Number: Singular



and He bringeth him out without, and saith, 'Look attentively, I pray thee, towards the heavens, and count the stars, if thou art able to count them;' and He saith to him, 'Thus is thy seed.'...Gen.15:5

Peace.

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings One Son,

The promises have been fulfilled.

No, Abraham was promised the land and he has not yet received it. He will receive the land when he is raised from the dead at the return of Jesus.

Kind regards
Trevor