The New Covenant Temple, City, and Nation of God

[BABerean2]

Those who interpret the New Testament through the Old Testament are like those who look through the wrong end of a telescope.

We should let Christ and the New Testament authors be our witnesses.


1Co 3:16　 Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?　


Joh 4:21　 Jesus said to her, "Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, worship the Father.　



Heb 11:16　 But now they desire a better, that is, a heavenly country. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them.　


Heb 12:22　 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels,　
Heb 12:23　 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect,　
Heb 12:24　 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.
　


1Pe 2:9　 But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;　



The battle between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant began in Acts chapter 15 and continues to this day. For most of the history of our faith the Judaisers have won the day.

I am shocked by Christian pastors like Mark Blitz who think that a rebuilt Jewish temple will be a good a thing. They fail to realize it will continue the spiritual condition that was present before God allowed the Romans to destroy the temple during 70 AD.

If God ripped the temple veil in half on the day Christ died at Calvary, who is going to repair it?

Pastor Chuck Baldwin is a former Dispensationalist who has the courage to speak the truth on this issue.

Would a rebuilt Jewish temple with renewed animal sacrifices be a fulfillment of Revelation 2:9 and Revelation 3:9?

 

[BABerean2]

Jewish man finds the New Covenant in his Jewish book...

Jeremiah 31:31-34


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[Matthew Twentyfour]

Revelation 11:1-2King James Version (KJV)
1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

 

[BABerean2]

Revelation 11:1-2King James Version (KJV)
1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

Christ said that none of the temple stones would be left stacked upon another. Why don't Christians believe what He said?
During 73 AD the Jewish leader at Masada said the only thing left in Jerusalem was that built by the Romans.

Every day people go and pray at a wall that is part of Roman Fort Antonia, which was built by the Romans to house the thousands of soldiers needed to police the city of Jerusalem.

Eli Shukron is a very well known Israeli archeologist who rediscovered the Pool of Siloam.
During an underground excavation at the bottom of this wall he found a Roman coin dated 20 AD, under the base of the bottom row of stones. Therefore, this wall could not have been a part of Herod's temple. The Jewish historian Josephus described Roman Fort Antonia, which was built beside of the Jewish temple and connected to it by a bridge.

The Temple Mount and Fort Antonia

The scriptural reference beside of Daniel 9:27 in my NKJV Bible is Matthew 26:28. This is the same interpretation found in the 1599 Geneva Bible, which is the Bible the Pilgrims brought to America. The covenant with the many in Daniel 9:27 is the same covenant with the many in Matthew 26:28. It is the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34 and revealed by Christ at the Last Supper in Matthew 26:28. It is found fulfilled in Hebrews 8:6-13 and is specifically applied to the Church in Hebrews 12:18-24 and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8. The angel Gabriel did not mention an antichrist or a gap in Romans chapter 9, because he came to reveal the New Covenant Messiah.

The AOD in Matthew and Mark's Gospel is revealed by Luke 21:20-24 and John 10:22.

The only way to see the 70th week of Daniel is with a time machine set to transport you to the first century.

The discussion of the two ladies in the video is based upon numerous errors, which conflict with scripture.

Why don't we allow the New Testament writers to be our witnesses, instead of the traditions of men?

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[SeventyOne]

Christ said that none of the temple stones would be left stacked upon another. Why don't Christians believe what He said?
During 73 AD the Jewish leader at Masada said the only thing left in Jerusalem was that built by the Romans.

Who doesn't believe what He said? That Temple was obviously destroyed, but both Zechariah and Ezekiel talk about future temples and the Lord ruling from the final Temple. Why do you ignore that?

 

[BABerean2]

Who doesn't believe what He said? That Temple was obviously destroyed, but both Zechariah and Ezekiel talk about future temples and the Lord ruling from the final Temple. Why do you ignore that?

If we go to a seafood restaurant, you could go back to the Old Testament and tell me I must not eat shrimp.

Or that I must not pick up sticks on the Sabbath day.

Or that I must offer up animal sacrifices.

However, we must always allow the New Testament writers to bear witness to the passages from the Old Testament. Otherwise, we may end up looking through the wrong end of the telescope.

On the Day of Pentecost Peter interpreted a passage of Joel for us. I will have to always allow Peter to be my witness in the interpretation of that Old Testament passage.

Peter was told that he could kill and eat anything.

In Colossians 2:16-17, Paul reveals that the Sabbath day was merely a shadow of Christ.

Based on the Book of Hebrews, Christ was the final sacrifice for sin.

Based on Hebrews 12:18-24, we have come not come to Mount Sinai, but to the New Covenant of Mount Zion.

There is a future temple and I am a part of it.
I will always allow the New Testament to be my witness in interpreting the Old Testament references to a future temple.

Rev_3:12　 He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name


If Christians really believe all of the temple stones were taken down as Jesus said, then why do they not say so regarding the wall known as "the wailing wall"?

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[BABerean2]

The "Wailing Wall" of Roman Fort Antonia.

Based on the excavations of Israeli archeologist Eli Shukron the temple was near Gihon Spring, instead of the area now known as "The Temple Mount".

Christ and Josephus and modern archeology all say that the area now known as "The Temple Mount" could not be a part of the ancient Jewish Temple.

The only thing more powerful than truth is the traditions of men...

Take a look at the link below.

The Temple Mount and Fort Antonia

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[SeventyOne]

If we go to a seafood restaurant, you could go back to the Old Testament and tell me I must not eat shrimp.

Or that I must not pick up sticks on the Sabbath day.

Or that I must offer up animal sacrifices.

However, we must always allow the New Testament writers to bear witness to the passages from the Old Testament. Otherwise, we may end up looking through the wrong end of the telescope.

On the Day of Pentecost Peter interpreted a passage of Joel for us. I will have to always allow Peter to be my witness in the interpretation of that Old Testament passage.

Peter was told that he could kill and eat anything.

In Colossians 2:16-17, Paul reveals that the Sabbath day was merely a shadow of Christ.

Based on the Book of Hebrews, Christ was the final sacrifice for sin.

Based on Hebrews 12:18-24, we have come not come to Mount Sinai, but to the New Covenant of Mount Zion.

There is a future temple and I am a part of it.
I will always allow the New Testament to be my witness in interpreting the Old Testament references to a future temple.

Rev_3:12 He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name


If Christians really believe all of the temple stones were taken down as Jesus said, then why do they not say so regarding the wall known as "the wailing wall"?

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Believing God concerning what says He will do in the future is not falling under the Mosaic Law. You are really reaching. Not everything in the OT is part of the Mosaic Law. If you did regard the NT only for references concerning a future temple, then you would also agree with 2 Thess 2:4 and Rev 11, but you do not. It's hard to make a claim the NT is your witness for such things when areas are ignored.

 

[BABerean2]

If you did regard the NT only for references concerning a future temple, then you would also agree with 2 Thess 2:4 and Rev 11, but you do not. It's hard to make a claim the NT is your witness for such things when areas are ignored.

I agree 100% with 2 Thessalonians 2:4 that a man would sit in the temple of God claiming to be God.
However, that temple is the New Covenant temple revealed by Christ Himself, as the Church.

I agree 100 % with what is written in the Book of Revelation.
However, it is a book of symbols.
Revelation 1:20 plainly says that the candlesticks are a symbol of the churches.

Anyone who adds an antichrist to Daniel chapter 9 and a "gap" of time not mentioned by the angel Gabriel, should not be the first to throw stones.


Who Confirmed The Covenant?
James Lloyd
Who Confirmed The Covenant? | Christian Media Research
http://christianmediaresearch.com/node/1023
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[SeventyOne]

I agree 100% with 2 Thessalonians 2:4 that a man would sit in the temple of God claiming to be God.
However, that temple is the New Covenant temple revealed by Christ Himself, as the Church.

I agree 100 % with what is written in the Book of Revelation.
However, it is a book of symbols.
Revelation 1:20 plainly says that the candlesticks are a symbol of the churches.

Anyone who adds an antichrist to Daniel chapter 9 and a "gap" of time not mentioned by the angel Gabriel, should not be the first to throw stones.


Who Confirmed The Covenant?
James Lloyd
Who Confirmed The Covenant? | Christian Media Research
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Ah, yes. The old everything pertaining to Israel is now a symbol of the Church theory. The Church doesn't have anywhere for anyone else to sit. It is a collection of believers indwelt by the Spirit. A man cannot dwell inside of each believer. Also, in the OT, the Temple was a physical manifestation of a spiritual Temple, just as it will be in the future. As the Spirit dwells in us, so will Jesus dwell in His physical form in a physical Temple. There are continual spiritual and physical applications.

Also, I add a gap to Daniel 9 in the same way Jesus added a gap to Isaiah 61. Isaiah didn't mention a gap at the time either.

 

[BABerean2]

As the Spirit dwells in us, so will Jesus dwell in His physical form in a physical Temple.

Joh 4:21　 Jesus said to her, "Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, worship the Father.　



Heb 8:6　 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.　

Heb 8:7　 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.　

Heb 8:8　 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—　

Heb 8:9　 NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS IN THE DAY WHEN I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO LEAD THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT; BECAUSE THEY DID NOT CONTINUE IN MY COVENANT, AND I DISREGARDED THEM, SAYS THE LORD.　

Heb 8:10　 FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS IN THEIR MIND AND WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS; AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.　

Heb 8:11　 NONE OF THEM SHALL TEACH HIS NEIGHBOR, AND NONE HIS BROTHER, SAYING, 'KNOW THE LORD,' FOR ALL SHALL KNOW ME, FROM THE LEAST OF THEM TO THE GREATEST OF THEM.　

Heb 8:12　 FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR UNRIGHTEOUSNESS, AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."　

Heb 8:13　 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.　



Heb 12:22　 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels,　
Heb 12:23　 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect,　
Heb 12:24　 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.　

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[SeventyOne]

Heb 8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—

The problem with citing the reference back to Jeremiah 31, is the revelation of the future physical Temple in Ezekiel and Zechariah take place chronologically after this revelation to Jeremiah.

So, since these are later revelations (Ezekiel at worst is contemporary), one of the following should be true:

1. God is getting senile and forgot He told Jeremiah about a new covenant prior to revealing the Temple to Ezekiel and Zechariah.
2. The revelation to Ezekiel and Zechariah supersedes the revelation to Jeremiah.
3. There are no contradictions in the two areas, and both are true.

 

[BABerean2]

The problem with citing the reference back to Jeremiah 31, is the revelation of the future physical Temple in Ezekiel and Zechariah take place chronologically after this revelation to Jeremiah.

So, since these are later revelations (Ezekiel at worst is contemporary), one of the following should be true:

1. God is getting senile and forgot He told Jeremiah about a new covenant prior to revealing the Temple to Ezekiel and Zechariah.
2. The revelation to Ezekiel and Zechariah supersedes the revelation to Jeremiah.
3. There are no contradictions in the two areas, and both are true.

The writer of the Book of Hebrews is the one who quoted directly from Jeremiah 31:31-34, and bracketed the quotation before and after with verses that make it plain the New Covenant was in effect when Hebrews 8:6-13 was written, during the first century.

Therefore, there is no problem in citing back to Jeremiah 31, unless you think the author of the Book of Hebrews made a mistake.

This same author applied the New Covenant to the Church in Hebrews 12:18-24.

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[SeventyOne]

The writer of the Book of Hebrews is the one who quoted directly from Jeremiah 31:31-34, and bracketed the quotation before and after with verses that make it plain the New Covenant was in effect when Hebrews 8:6-13 was written, during the first century.

Therefore, there is no problem in citing back to Jeremiah 31, unless you think the author of the Book of Hebrews made a mistake.

This same author applied the New Covenant to the Church in Hebrews 12:18-24.

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No, I don't think he made a mistake at all, because I'm going with option 3 where the new covenant and the coming physical temple coexist because both are true. The mistake is made when trying to use these references concerning the new covenant that were made prior certain revelations of the future Temple in order to disprove that same Temple, like you are doing. I've watched the bulk of the videos that you post, and I can see why you do it because they do, but their logic is flawed as well.

I truly hope one day it'll click in your head that when using these Hebrew and Jeremiah passages to disprove more recent revelations, you'll finally understand that if one were to truly negate the other, it would be the latter negating the former as it would be the newer revelation.

 

[Douggg]

Those who interpret the New Testament through the Old Testament are like those who look through the wrong end of a telescope.

You will be looking through the right end of the telescope if you read Ezekiel 39:17-29 from the perspective of Jesus having returned. It verifies the Jews, Israel will become Christians in the end.

17 And, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood.

18 Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan.

19 And ye shall eat fat till ye be full, and drink blood till ye be drunken, of my sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you.

20 Thus ye shall be filled at my table with horses and chariots, with mighty men, and with all men of war, saith the Lord GOD.

17-20 is the Armageddon feast corresponding to Revelation 19:17-18

21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.

Verse 21, Jesus having returned to planet earth, among the nations, ruling with a rod of iron.

22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.

Verse 22, Israel the Jews will know God as Jesus in that day. Before Abraham was "I am" John 8:58.

23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.

24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.

Verses 23-24 relates back to when Jesus said because they rejected him, their temple would be destroyed, Jerusalem surrounded and taken, and the defenders killed, and the Jews exiled to the nations. All happened in the three Jewish revolts against the Romans. The last revolt being the bar Kokhba revolt in 132-136 AD.

25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;

26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.

27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;

Verses 25-27 is where we are on the timeline right now. Israel a nation again, Jerusalem in the hands of the Jews. Islam profaning God's name as Allah. The Lord is going to defend Israel when Gog/Magog attacks.

28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.

29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

Verses 28-29 the Jews are going to know that Jesus is the Lord their God who entered this world taking on flesh, to die for the sins of mankind, and ascended back to heaven, and will be returning to execute judgment on the wicked in verses 17-20 of this chapter.

Verse 28 corresponds to Matthew 24:31, the gathering of the elect, who will be the Jews who will be Christians at that time, back to the land of Israel.

 

[BABerean2]

I truly hope one day it'll click in your head that when using these Hebrew and Jeremiah passages to disprove more recent revelations, you'll finally understand that if one were to truly negate the other, it would be the latter negating the former as it would be the newer revelation.

If Christ is the final and ultimate sacrifice for sin throughout the New Testament and especially the Book of Hebrews, why would you think God wants a return to animal sacrifices?

What kind of "newer revelation" erases Christ as the final sacrifice for sin?

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[BABerean2]

29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

You must have missed what Peter said on the Day of Pentecost...

Act 2:14　 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, raised his voice and said to them, "Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and heed my words.　
Act 2:15　 For these are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day.　
Act 2:16　 But this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:　
Act 2:17　 'AND IT SHALL COME TO PASS IN THE LAST DAYS, SAYS GOD, THAT I WILL POUR OUT OF MY SPIRIT ON ALL FLESH; YOUR SONS AND YOUR DAUGHTERS SHALL PROPHESY, YOUR YOUNG MEN SHALL SEE VISIONS, YOUR OLD MEN SHALL DREAM DREAMS.　
Act 2:18　 AND ON MY MENSERVANTS AND ON MY MAIDSERVANTS I WILL POUR OUT MY SPIRIT IN THOSE DAYS; AND THEY SHALL PROPHESY.　
Act 2:19　 I WILL SHOW WONDERS IN HEAVEN ABOVE AND SIGNS IN THE EARTH BENEATH: BLOOD AND FIRE AND VAPOR OF SMOKE.　
Act 2:20　 THE SUN SHALL BE TURNED INTO DARKNESS, AND THE MOON INTO BLOOD, BEFORE THE COMING OF THE GREAT AND AWESOME DAY OF THE LORD.　
Act 2:21　 AND IT SHALL COME TO PASS THAT WHOEVER CALLS ON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED.'　



Act 2:36　 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ."　
Act 2:37　 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?"　

 

[Douggg]

You must have missed what Peter said on the Day of Pentecost...

What is the point of your post? Are you disagreeing with my post?

 

[BABerean2]

What is the point of your post? Are you disagreeing with my post?

You quoted Ezekiel 39:29, which prophesied that the Spirit would be poured out on "the house of Israel" and I quoted from Acts chapter 2 when Peter addressed the crowd as "all the house of Israel" in Acts 2:36, and the Spirit was poured out on those present that day.

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[SeventyOne]

If Christ is the final and ultimate sacrifice for sin throughout the New Testament and especially the Book of Hebrews, why would you think God wants a return to animal sacrifices?

What kind of "newer revelation" erases Christ as the final sacrifice for sin?

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None. You're missing the point completely and hitting the talking points again. If you think the Temple was only about a sin sacrifice, you are missing a lot.

Sacrifices for sins was only one use for the Temple. Its primary purpose was to give to man a place where God would dwell in our midst. Sacrifices were necessary to even hope to approach His presence. In the future Temple, there will be no need for us to sacrifice in order to be able to approach Him.

The Lord speaking after the revelation given to Jeremiah in Zechariah 8:3 states, "Thus says the LORD: I have returned to Zion and will dwell in the midst of Jerusalem, and Jerusalem shall be called the faithful city, and the mountain of the LORD of hosts, the holy mountain".

And again, a later revelation in Zechariah 6 revealing Jesus "the Branch" will build the Temple of the Lord, and will sit and rule from his throne. I'd imagine Zechariah 8:22-23 would give you a hard time as it states the people of the nations will come to Jerusalem to seek the Lord, "Many peoples and strong nations shall come to seek the LORD of hosts in Jerusalem and to entreat the favor of the LORD. Thus says the LORD of hosts: In those days ten men from the nations of every tongue shall take hold of the robe of a Jew, saying, ‘Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.’