The connection between Matthew 7:21-23 and John 6:37-40.

[Neostarwcc]

I'm a tad confused about the connections between Matthew 7:21-23 and John 6:37-40. In Matthew 7:21 Jesus says that only those who do the will of God the Father will actually enter heaven. Well, doesn't Jesus state what the will of God the Father is in John 6:38-39? I've read a lot of articles of the opinions on the world's top theologians and what several Christians think on what possibly the will of God could be. Here's a clue, it's never John 6:37-40. It's always based on not being stuck in your own works or something to that effect. It's never what Christ said the will of God the Father is. I don't even see someone who believes in or teaches reformed theology bring up John 6:37-40 to explain what Christ was talking about. Why? Doesn't Christ directly state what the Will of the Father is in verses 6:38-39?

Isn't doing the will of the Father exactly what Jesus said in those four wonderful verses that support preserverence of the saints more out of virtually any other verses in the bible? Yes, even more than John 10:27-30. They state more than just giving someone eternal life and more than the elect being secure in the hands of God. They state that all of God's sheep will come to Christ and of those who do come to Christ, he will not lose ONE of them. It states that Salvation is completely 100% a work of God. So those doing the will of God are the multitude that God chose to save before time even began. Why am I seemingly the only one that connects these two sets of verses together? It's seems quite obvious to me because Christ uses the words "I will only do the will of the Father not my own will and the will of my father is that I lose none but raise it all up on the last day." Sounds straightforward to me. What am I missing?

 

[Radagast]

I'm a tad confused about the connections between Matthew 7:21-23 and John 6:37-40. In Matthew 7:21 Jesus says that only those who do the will of God the Father will actually enter heaven. Well, doesn't Jesus state what the will of God the Father is in John 6:38-39?

Those passages are using "will of the Father" in slightly different senses.

John 6:38-39 is describing God's plan of salvation, and John 6:40 is saying that all those who believe will be saved.

 

[Andrewn]

They state that all of God's sheep will come to Christ and of those who do come to Christ, he will not lose ONE of them. It states that Salvation is completely 100% a work of God. So those doing the will of God are the multitude that God chose to save before time even began. Why am I seemingly the only one that connects these two sets of verses together?

What you say is true and is basic Christian understanding of the Gospel. The Apostle wrote:

Phi 1:6 I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Jesus Christ.

Isn't this saying the same thing that you wrote, connecting the dots between Matthew 7:21-23 and John 6:37-40?

 

[BobRyan]

I'm a tad confused about the connections between Matthew 7:21-23 and John 6:37-40. In Matthew 7:21 Jesus says that only those who do the will of God the Father will actually enter heaven. Well, doesn't Jesus state what the will of God the Father is in John 6:38-39?

Matt 7
24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and yet it did not fall, for it had been founded on the rock. 26 Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. 27 The rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and it fell—and great was its fall.”

So then... what are the "words of Christ"

Matt 19
if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.” 18 Then he *said to Him, “Which ones?” And Jesus said,
“You shall not commit murder; Ex 20
You shall not commit adultery; Ex 20
You shall not steal; Ex 20
You shall not bear false witness;Ex 20
19 Honor your father and mother; Ex 20
and You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Lev 19:18

Mark 7
7 ‘But in vain do they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’
8 Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.”
9 He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother, is to be put to death’; 11 but you say, ‘If a man says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is to say, given to God),’ 12 you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or his mother; 13 thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”

 

[Neostarwcc]

Those passages are using "will of the Father" in slightly different senses.

John 6:38-39 is describing God's plan of salvation, and John 6:40 is saying that all those who believe will be saved.

Oh yes, I didn't mean to say otherwise. I apologize if I gave off the opposite impression. I was trying to say that Matthew 7:21-23 is about God's plan of salvation as well. Only those who are God's sheep will end up being saved. (Whether that's based on a persons acceptance of the gospel or God unhardenening the hearts of the Elect the same message is being described. All who God means to save and will save will come to Christ and those who come to Christ he will lose none of them. Christ is talking about God's plan in all of 6:38-40. God's plan is to save those who believe (Sheep, Elect, Those who accept Christ, whatever you want to call them.) God's plan is to lose none of those.

 

[Neostarwcc]

What you say is true and is basic Christian understanding of the Gospel. The Apostle wrote:

Phi 1:6 I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Jesus Christ.

Isn't this saying the same thing that you wrote, connecting the dots between Matthew 7:21-23 and John 6:37-40?

Oh yes, I just meant to say that I've heard it in many different ways. I don't really see very many theologians making the connection between the two passages despite Christ probably talking about Matthew 7:21-23 and John 6:37-40 around the same breath. Because it almost seems like he said "Those who do the will of the Father will be saved. The will of the Father is..."

Honestly idk what I was trying to say. I guess I just wish more theologians would make the seemingly obvious conclusion. Just because these statements of Jesus were written down by two different authors doesn't mean that they don't fit together.

 

[1213]

...I've read a lot of articles of the opinions on the world's top theologians and what several Christians think on what possibly the will of God could be. ...

I would say God’s will is that people are righteous, because eternal life is promised for righteous.

These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Mat. 25:46

For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6:23