The Catholic 10 Commandments & Protestant 10 Commandments are different, WHY?

[david1988]

If you look at the 10 Commandments the Catholic Church uses and compare them with the 10 Commandments the Protestant Churches use, you will notice a difference in the way they are listed.

How can Churches have two different 10 Commandments?

They both can't be correct. One of them has to be in error!

Which one is correct? The Catholic or the Protestant?

Here are the Catholic 10 Commandments:

Below is the Protestant 10 Commandments

What I noticed is the 2nd Commandment is different in Catholic 10 Commandments compared with the Protestant 10 Commandments.

What happened to the 2nd Commandment in the Catholic 10 Commandments?

The answer is the Catholic's divided the 10th Commandment into 2 parts. And eliminated the 2nd Commandment.

Why did they do this?

Or did God give Moses two versions of the 10 Commandments, one for Catholics and another for Protestants?

d@vid

 

[Bowedb4Him]

this is a good question..i'll wait for somebody to come by and give an answer

 

[emmanemena]

The Jewish 10 Commandments are very similar to the Protestant ones (One place to view them is http://www.biblicalheritage.org/Bible Studies/10 Commandments.htm). I would tend to think that perhaps the Catholics changed them to suit their beliefs and the Protestants went back to the Jewish/better translation from original transcripts some time after the Reformation. I'm still researching though, I 'll be back!

 

[emmanemena]

Just read that the Lutherans (one of the oldest Protestant denominations) also use the Catholic 10 Commandments. Not sure what that means though!

 

[Kol]

Religion...one of the four hidden Dynasties...

BTW, how do I get my reputation to go back down? I don't even know who made it go up...

 

[emmanemena]

[FONT=arial, helvetica, verdana, sans-serif]Perhaps you would like to read this article:
[/FONT]http://www.fisheaters.com/10commandments.html
It looks at the 16 verses from Exodus 20 that tell about the 10 Commandments and how the two churches just divided the verses up differently. It is interesting, very simple to read and makes sense.

 

[plum]

To me it doesn't matter why they're stated differently. It matters that we know and love the commands of Adonai and obey them as best we can in our limited understandings, and doing all of this by the power of the Spirit and in the grace of the Messiah, our Master.

don't let memorizing the numbering get in the way of studying the Scriptures

 

[Luther073082]

Just read that the Lutherans (one of the oldest Protestant denominations) also use the Catholic 10 Commandments. Not sure what that means though!

THE oldest protestant denomination. I belive the Orthodox church is not considered protestant. I'm not sure but I don't think the Angleican church is either.

Our church is pretty much Catholic-lite with some important theological differences from the Roman Catholic church. In fact there are a lot of protestants out there that would argue that Lutherans arn't protestant.

But your right I havn't noticed til now the differences between the two versions.

 

[Pink Angel]

Im not seeing much of a difference, are you talking about the order they are in??

 

[WarriorAngel]

It seems to me that the protestant one and two say the exact same thing. So it is double of one.

If you read it, it says the same thing.

So the Catholic one makes more sense.
PLUS the protestant one added covetting the neighbors goods and wife as one commandment as the tenth.


FROM the Bible;

1 And the Lord spoke all these words: 2 I am the Lord thy God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. 3 Thou shalt not have strange gods before me. 4 Thou shalt not make to thyself a graven thing, nor the likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or in the earth beneath, nor of those things that are in the waters under the earth. 5 Thou shalt not adore them, nor serve them: I am the Lord thy God, mighty, jealous, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me:
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands to them that love me, and keep my commandments. 7 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain: for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that shall take the name of the Lord his God in vain. 8 Remember that thou keep holy the sabbath day. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and shalt do all thy works. 10 But on the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: thou shalt do no work on it, thou nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy beast, nor the stranger that is within thy gates.
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and the sea, and all things that are in them, and rested on the seventh day: therefore the Lord blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it. 12 Honour thy father and thy mother, that thou mayest be longlived upon the land which the Lord thy God will give thee. 13 Thou shalt not kill. 14 Thou shalt not commit adultery. 15 Thou shalt not steal. 16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. 17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house: neither shalt thou desire his wife, nor his servant, nor his handmaid, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is his.

 

[Luther073082]

By checking Luther's Large Catechism I can confirm that the Lutheran church uses the same version of the ten commandments as the Roman Catholic Church.

http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/wittenberg/wittenberg-luther.html#sw-lc

 

[Maggie893]

I pulled this from This Rock:

"The early Christian church, received this catechetical tradition from the Church Fathers, especially Augustine. He relied heavily on the Decalogue as presented by Moses in Deuteronomy 5. Thus, until the late Middle Ages, children memorized the commandments in the order as we still know it from the Catechism. Even after the Reformation, Lutherans and Catholics agreed on this enumeration and arrangement.

Calvin and other Reformers, relying more on Exodus 20 and its presentation of the Decalogue, and wanting to make a strike against the statuary and icons in the Catholic Church, enumerated the commandments in a different way. ".....

"Much ink has been spilled regarding the early verses of the Decalogue about monotheism and images. The command of monotheism produces little disagreement. But is there a separate commandment regarding images, or are the verses regarding images meant as an example of the practice of monotheism and therefore intimately part of the first commandment? Again our answer depends on which text we choose, Exodus or Deuteronomy, for there are syntax differences. Exodus 20:3 ("You shall have no other gods before me") is a closed sentence and could be a complete commandment.

In Deuteronomy 5:7, the Hebrew construction is such that the wording is only the first part of what follows in the commandment, that no idol representing the deity be carved nor placed before the Lord God nor any such carved image be worshiped. In fact, we read verses 6–10 continuously, as one unit, before coming up for air.

In ancient Israel, the Lord God (Yahweh) was to receive exclusive worship (in a world full of the gods of other nations) and was not to be represented in images like other nations did for their deities. In fact, if one were ever to speak of an image of God, one could refer to how later rabbis said that God had already made such an image in mankind: "God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them" (Ex. 1:27).

Thus the syntax of Exodus 20 can look like two commandments: prohibition of polytheism and prohibition of making carved images. But the syntax of Deuteronomy 5:7–11 shows one commandment, prohibition of idolatry (especially involving carved images that represent other gods or Yahweh). So Catholics are justified after Augustine (following Deuteronomy) in seeing a single commandment in the opening verses of the Decalogue. This, of course, affects the whole counting of the commandments up through the tenth commandment."


Hope that helps.

 

[Qyöt27]

Again, if you actually look at the content of the lists, it's the same - Protestants just tend to separate the idolatry commandment into two pieces as noted in the post above mine, and then condense the coveting commandment into one.

THE oldest protestant denomination. I belive the Orthodox church is not considered protestant. I'm not sure but I don't think the Angleican church is either.

Our church is pretty much Catholic-lite with some important theological differences from the Roman Catholic church. In fact there are a lot of protestants out there that would argue that Lutherans arn't protestant.

You're correct - the Orthodox are not considered Protestant, since they represent one half of the Great Schism (the other half being the Catholic Church). Anglicans have often fashioned themselves as Protestant (or been considered such generally) or as the via media between Protestantism and Catholicism.

I've also occasionally seen Methodism referred to as being 'Catholic Lite', although I think it's more in approach than the retaining of high church elements, and some have even had a sketchy hold on whether to group Methodists in with other Protestants, which I feel has to do with the fact that we're Prima Scriptura rather than Sola Scriptura, and accept a view of Real Presence (although it's said to be either anamnetical in nature or simply undefined); I wouldn't really characterize Calvinist interpretations of Communion as a form of Real Presence - making Lutheranism the only other stereotypically Protestant group to accept a view of Real Presence. It does kind of make sense, considering Methodism originated within the Church of England, and moreover the break between the Anglicans and early Methodists was not a 'violent' one like was witnessed during the Reformation between the Catholic Church and early Protestant groups. John Wesley actually remained an Anglican priest until he died. Also, on frivolous quizzes like this one, it's interesting to note that in the times I've seen Catholics post their results, the Evangelical Holiness/Wesleyan option often takes second place after Catholic and is also often above 70% at that.

 

[Aprill]

I believe the orginal point of this was so that to further seperate from the Catholic Church, because their point at the time was that Catholics pray to the saints. So really they both say the same thing, just one has different emphasis.

 

[Kvikklunsj]

david1988: Read the answers you got in the one you posted in the non-denominational forum. http://www.christianforums.com/t554...estant-10-commandments-are-different-why.html
Not sure why you keep crossposting the same threads in every forum anyways...

 

[Luther073082]

Again, if you actually look at the content of the lists, it's the same - Protestants just tend to separate the idolatry commandment into two pieces as noted in the post above mine, and then condense the coveting commandment into one.


You're correct - the Orthodox are not considered Protestant, since they represent one half of the Great Schism (the other half being the Catholic Church). Anglicans have often fashioned themselves as Protestant (or been considered such generally) or as the via media between Protestantism and Catholicism.

I've also occasionally seen Methodism referred to as being 'Catholic Lite', although I think it's more in approach than the retaining of high church elements, and some have even had a sketchy hold on whether to group Methodists in with other Protestants, which I feel has to do with the fact that we're Prima Scriptura rather than Sola Scriptura, and accept a view of Real Presence (although it's said to be either anamnetical in nature or simply undefined); I wouldn't really characterize Calvinist interpretations of Communion as a form of Real Presence - making Lutheranism the only other stereotypically Protestant group to accept a view of Real Presence. It does kind of make sense, considering Methodism originated within the Church of England, and moreover the break between the Anglicans and early Methodists was not a 'violent' one like was witnessed during the Reformation between the Catholic Church and early Protestant groups. John Wesley actually remained an Anglican priest until he died. Also, on frivolous quizzes like this one, it's interesting to note that in the times I've seen Catholics post their results, the Evangelical Holiness/Wesleyan option often takes second place after Catholic and is also often above 70% at that.

Did not know that, I'm glad you told me that cause I was wondering a lot about the Methodist Church. Lutherans of course vary but compaired to say a pentacostal church all Lutheran churches would have the elements of high church.

We also use a lot of the same litergy as the Catholics. In fact I've found it funny the Catholics actually use some of our litergy now! The song "A mighty fortress is our God" was originally in only Lutheran litergy because Martin Luther the heretic himself wrote it. Apparently the Catholic church has added it to its litergy.

 

[Rebekka]

I've also occasionally seen Methodism referred to as being 'Catholic Lite', although I think it's more in approach than the retaining of high church elements, and some have even had a sketchy hold on whether to group Methodists in with other Protestants, which I feel has to do with the fact that we're Prima Scriptura rather than Sola Scriptura, and accept a view of Real Presence (although it's said to be either anamnetical in nature or simply undefined); I wouldn't really characterize Calvinist interpretations of Communion as a form of Real Presence - making Lutheranism the only other stereotypically Protestant group to accept a view of Real Presence. It does kind of make sense, considering Methodism originated within the Church of England, and moreover the break between the Anglicans and early Methodists was not a 'violent' one like was witnessed during the Reformation between the Catholic Church and early Protestant groups. John Wesley actually remained an Anglican priest until he died. Also, on frivolous quizzes like this one, it's interesting to note that in the times I've seen Catholics post their results, the Evangelical Holiness/Wesleyan option often takes second place after Catholic and is also often above 70% at that.

Interesting. I did the quiz and scored 100% catholic (as expected), 71% neo orthodox, 71% evangelical holiness/wesleyan, and the lowest score was 7% fundamentalist (not surprised by that one).

 

[Luther073082]

I got Evangelical Holiness/Wesleyan. Apparently its pretty close to being methodist.

So I guess methodist would be a good backup church if for some reason I have to leave the Lutheran church.

 

[Qyöt27]

Did not know that, I'm glad you told me that cause I was wondering a lot about the Methodist Church. Lutherans of course vary but compaired to say a pentacostal church all Lutheran churches would have the elements of high church.

It's pretty much the same way with Methodist churches, although I think it's largely influenced by region - those in areas with a strong Baptist presence (like the Deep South) tend to be more low church and possibly accepting of Contemporary-style services, whereas elsewhere it can range anywhere from about middle to being closer in tone to Anglican/Episcopal churches. I would characterize the one my family attends as being about middle, and we're in West-Central Florida. I'd expect ones that lean a lot towards being Episcopal are probably more prevalent in New England or maybe even the Northwest.

 

[micbmac]

In the protestant 10 comm. #2 says ...you shall not make an idol...you shall not bow down to...(anyone but God).

catholics idolize their saints. They bow down to and practically worship the pope etc.

I think this is why they left out and rearranged the 10 commandments.

the prot 2nd comm. prohibits the worsip of God by images or by any creature (pope) w/ God or any other way not appointed in his word.

I'm not against any religions even catholic, this is just my opinion so don't get mad at me.