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Just a simple question. I'd never heard of this and I'm interested in opinions either way. Being a natural skeptic, I'm a bit leery. Input pro or con is welcome.
https://bible.org/article/doctrine-rewards-judgment-seat-bema-christ
Right squint but you seem to ignore that Christ is the propitiation for the elect.
I take assurance that Jesus is not a hypocrite, measuring one way for believers sins and an entirely different way for the sins of others.
Sin in sinful flesh is condemned by God in Christ in whomever it is found and it is found in ALL.
There will be no slacking by God in Christ on that side of the measures for anyone regardless of what flavor of Jesus paint they wear on their lips.
To understand propitiation, you have to take the reality of the associated condemnation.
Propitiation is not as broad to the elect as you might propose. Certainly NOT to the level of hypocrisy or 'double dealing' sin.
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Certain teachings on the Bema Seat judgment (which is popular in charismania and some forms of protestantism) are false, which is the notion that 'believers' as seen by Jesus as "just as if I've never sinned."
That is a phony Bema Seat Judgment.
Judgment in fact BEGINS at the House of God and it is the harshest judgment.
We all will give an account of everything in our lives and both good and bad will for no uncertain fact be found in all of us.
Many people read with the false Bema glasses on, thinking for example when they read Matt. 25 of sheep and goats that they are only a sheep when in fact they are easily proven to be BOTH.
Many read with false Bema glasses on about Jesus' Statement of fact that says 'depart from me ALL ye workers of iniquity' and they think they work no iniquity or it is not SEEN, therefore they are exempt.
They aren't exempt. We will ALL hear that statement because we ALL work iniquity.
God is, if anything, NO RESPECTER OF PERSONS.
And is no hypocrite, using one measure for believers and another for other sinners when it comes to SIN.
On the grounds of sin, all are guilty and ALL will be forced, sooner or later to give an HONEST ANSWER before our Maker.
There will be no liars standing before Him warbling about all their excuses for SIN while they warble about other peoples sins.
Every mouth will be SHUT TIGHT and the world will have only one measure.
GUILTY as charged beyond any shadow of a doubt.
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Well i agree, it's pretty clear to me in Hebrews 6 for the believer what happens when others are unable to restore him to a point of repentance and 1 Co 3:11-15 especiall v 15
15 If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.
Read my post #8 in this thread. And NO, that sacrifice of Christ is entirely INSUFFICIENT for the party(s) noted.
Uh, no. Everyone will give an account of both good and EVIL.
No one will be standing there without an account of EVIL.
period.
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Question: "What is the Judgment Seat of Christ / Bema Seat of Christ?"
Answer: Romans 14:10-12 says, “For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat…so then, each of us will give an account of himself to God.” Second Corinthians 5:10 tells us, “For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.” In the context, it is clear that both scriptures are referring to Christians, not unbelievers. The judgment seat of Christ, therefore, involves believers giving an account of their lives to Christ. The judgment seat of Christ does not determine salvation; that was determined by Christ’s sacrifice on our behalf (1 John 2:2) and our faith in Him (John 3:16). All of our sins are forgiven, and we will never be condemned for them (Romans 8:1). We should not look at the judgment seat of Christ as God judging our sins, but rather as God rewarding us for our lives. Yes, as the Bible says, we will have to give an account of ourselves. Part of this is surely answering for the sins we committed. However, that is not going to be the primary focus of the judgment seat of Christ.
At the judgment seat of Christ, believers are rewarded based on how faithfully they served Christ (1 Corinthians 9:4-27; 2 Timothy 2:5). Some of the things we might be judged on are how well we obeyed the Great Commission (Matthew 28:18-20), how victorious we were over sin (Romans 6:1-4), and how well we controlled our tongues (James 3:1-9). The Bible speaks of believers receiving crowns for different things based on how faithfully they served Christ (1 Corinthians 9:4-27; 2 Timothy 2:5). The various crowns are described in 2 Timothy 2:5, 2 Timothy 4:8, James 1:12, 1 Peter 5:4, and Revelation 2:10. James 1:12 is a good summary of how we should think about the judgment seat of Christ: “Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial, because when he has stood the test, he will receive the crown of life that God has promised to those who love him.”
The Judgment Seat of Christ is explained here.
This "judgment" is not to determine if a person is saved/born again.
The only ones at this event are those who are saved/born again (rom 10:9).
Notice what is judged.
Verse four reveals that it is our works that are judged and are described as gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble.
The judgment of our works are to determine rewards.
Notice the last verse says that even the person who has no works that survive the "fire" the person is saved.
Their works did not survive the "fire", but they did.
1 Cor 3:10-15
10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. KJV
If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
Chapt 7 of the Jewish book of Daniel also shows the "bema" judgement.Just a simple question. I'd never heard of this and I'm interested in opinions either way.
Being a natural skeptic, I'm a bit leery. Input pro or con is welcome.
https://bible.org/article/doctrine-rewards-judgment-seat-bema-christ
This isn't speaking of OUR reward for building on the foundation. Paul is speaking about himself, and those preachers/Apostles/Pastors/Teachers that might come after him to build on the foundation of the "building", which is the body of Christ. See his statement after:
He is speaking again of those that come after him, not of the body.
That would make for an interesting topicHere is a very easy example:
Excuse the highlighting/colors/bold/size for simplicity sake:
2 Corinthians 12:
7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure...........
This matter is at the heart of ALL of Paul's teachings.
Paul carried his own wrestling match WITHIN his own flesh with a party that was not him.
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Chapt 7 of the Jewish book of Daniel also shows the "bema" judgement.
http://www.christianforums.com/t7435912/
Face of One sitting upon the throne Reve 6/20
Daniel 7:
9 Perceiving I became till that thrones they were cast and Ancient of days He sits,
clothing of Him as snow pale, and hair of head of him as wool, immaculate,
throne of Him fiery, that of flame, wheels of him, burning fire
10 A river that of fire going out and streaming from before Him.
Thousand thousands they are mininstering him, and ten thousand/myriad ten thousands/myriads before Him they are set up.
The Judge sits and Scrolls are opened
Reve 20:
11 And I saw a great white Throne, and the One sitting on it of whom from Face fled the land and the heaven and place not was found to them.
12 And I saw the dead, the great and the little having stood in view of the Throne and Scrolls were opened and another Scroll was opened, which is of the Life.
And were judged the dead out of the having been written in the Scrolls according to the works of them.
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