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The Ashera pole and its scary resemblance to a Christmas tree

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An Asherah pole is a sacred tree or pole that stood near Canaanite religious locations to honor the Ugaritic mother-goddess Asherah, consort of El. The relation of the literary references to an asherah and archeological finds of Judaean piller-figurines has engendered a literature of debate.

The asherim were also cult objects related to the worship of the fertility goddess Asherah, the consort of Ba'al or, as indescriptions from kuntillet Ajrud and Khibet el-Qom attest, YAHWEH, and thus objects of contention among cults. The insertion of "pole" begs the question by setting up unwarranted expectations for such a wooden object: "we are never told exactly what it was," observes John Dayt. Though there was a certainly a movement against goddess worship at the Jerusalem Temple in the time of king Josiah, it did not long survive his reign, as the following four kings "did what was evil in the eyes of Yahwew" (2 kings 23:32, 37; 24:9 , 19). further exhortations came from Jeremiah. the traditional interpretation of the Bilical text is that the Israelites imported pagan elements such as Asherah poles from the surrounding Canaanites; the modern interpretations suggest instead that the Israelite folk religion was always polytheistic, and it was the prophets and priests who denounced the Ahserah poles who were the innovators.
 

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I like having a Christmas tree simply because I love the smell of pine and it is the only time of year my wife will let me bring a 10 foot live tree into the house lol. But I agree, we teach our kids the true meaning of Christmas, and that it has nothing to do with tree's, pretty lights or fat guys in red suits ect.
 
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We also have the Tree of Life. These sorts of things are what you make of them.

Have you ever seen an Asherah pole? Do you know for certain it was a Christmas tree, or, as was more likely, could it have been more of a phallic image related to the various fertility beliefs of the day?
 
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We also have the Tree of Life. These sorts of things are what you make of them.

Have you ever seen an Asherah pole? Do you know for certain it was a Christmas tree, or, as was more likely, could it have been more of a phallic image related to the various fertility beliefs of the day?
I said, "it's scary resemblance to a Christmas tree." Here is a fact for you: Christian Holidays have been merged with pagan festivals... Asherah Pole: Can be a tree adorned with beautiful ornaments... You have to decide for yourself. I am just stating facts
 
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It's a cultural thing for us in our family. We don't celebrate "Christmas" as a religious holiday, but we love it as a cultural holiday!

Ho Ho Ho!
Its a pagan festival please refer yourself to these scriptures: Luke 17:2, Matthew 18:6, and mark 9:42.
 
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Its a pagan festival please refer yourself to these scriptures: Luke 17:2, Matthew 18:6, and mark 9:42.

It has roots in a pagan festival, like must/most modern "Christian" holidays. I'm well aware of that fact. The Roman Catholics were quite adept at adopting pagan holy days and festivals and turning them into Catholic holidays.

I'm not Catholic, I'm not pagan, and the decorations and music and activities that my family experiences during the holidays are in no way a form of worship. In fact, one of the reasons I'm not a "member" of an "organized" sect of Christianity is because so many bring those pagan inspired things into their worship services.
 
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I said, "it's scary resemblance to a Christmas tree." Here is a fact for you: Christian Holidays have been merged with pagan festivals... Asherah Pole: Can be a tree adorned with beautiful ornaments... You have to decide for yourself. I am just stating facts

Satan uses all kinds of things to detour people from Jesus. The only reason Christmas is viewed as a holiday anymore is because it has been turned into something that fattens the economy. The only reason Easter is seen as a holiday anymore is because it has been turned into something that fattens the economy. God has been taken out of schools and most public places because it does nothing for the economy, Sunday use to be the day of rest but now it is just another day because it did more harm than good the economy.
On the bright side even though Christian holidays have been corrupted and turned upside down it gives us a chance to slip some seeds of truth in.
 
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Satan uses all kinds of things to detour people from Jesus. The only reason Christmas is viewed as a holiday anymore is because it has been turned into something that fattens the economy. The only reason Easter is seen as a holiday anymore is because it has been turned into something that fattens the economy. God has been taken out of schools and most public places because it does nothing for the economy, Sunday use to be the day of rest but now it is just another day because it did more harm than good the economy.
On the bright side even though Christian holidays have been corrupted and turned upside down it gives us a chance to slip some seeds of truth in.
My God has never tolerated foolishness! We can learn from the OT how he handles those who participate in pagan festivals. We must acknowledge our transgressions and repent! We have all been deceived!!! Please refer your self here: Ecclesiastes 1:9-11 this is the key to much understanding
 
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The time for separation has arrived!!!! EXAMINE YOURSELVES!!!!!! SEPERATE YOURSELVES FROM ALL EVIL!!!!!!

A tree is not evil. Evil is what lies within the heart and darkens the mind regarding what is good and what is evil.
 
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A tree is not evil. Evil is what lies within the heart and darkens the mind regarding what is good and what is evil.
If you participate in this you are participating in a pagan festival and if you subject your children to this woe to you!! No man truly repents saying, "what have I done?"
 
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A tree is not evil. Evil is what lies within the heart and darkens the mind regarding what is good and what is evil.

Exactly!

There is nothing to repent of, my family does not bow down and worship the Christmas tree. The reason for Christmas is Christ.

We do exchange gifts at Christmas time. Every year I call my five kids on Christmas eve (they live 1200 miles away with their mother who is my ex-girlfriend)and read to them "Twas the Night Before Christmas" as our yearly tradition. This year with the birth of my daughter to my wife and I, after I hung up the phone I read to her the Birth of Jesus story from a children's book.

I can read that to her since she is being raised in a Christian home, where my five other kids are not and she doesn't want God mentioned to them, so I respect her wishes since she is the custodial parent and it keeps conflict out of our kid's lives.

My daughter who is being raised in my home with my wife, we hear both "Twas the Night before Christmas" and the story of Jesus' birth.
 
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That's the thing brother, God handles them. We simply teach the word of God, the truth... he does the rest.

This is just my personal opinion and I'm not saying I'm right and your wrong... I believe the Holy Spirit leads us all in different ways... for example some people feel they should marry and some people feel they shouldn't, it depends if your able to withstand the temptation of the flesh. I believe it is that way for many things, I can put up a Christmas tree and think of it as nothing more than a tree with pretty lights giving off a nice smell in my home. I in no way think of it as any different than sunflowers put into a vase in Autumn. Given there is a specific time of year that I put up the tree is only because it would look foolish to put it up any other time of year, other wise I would. It does nothing to take away the true meaning of Christmas for me, and does nothing to stop my from teaching the true meaning of Christmas. But if someone feels convicted by the Holy Spirit for putting up a tree then they shouldn't. If we are to do away with every pagan thing in our life and live like Jesus did then we must remember Jesus had nothing but the shirt on his back... Luke 9:58 And Jesus said to him, “Foxes have holes and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay His head.”
I don't know why pagans used a Christmas tree or whatever the word is for what they used... I imagine it was used to worship the earth or something. But just because they use an object to use in their ritual does not mean that object is now cursed and should never been used again, unless your using it for more then just decoration... again though that is just my opinion and I could be wrong, I have been proven wrong many times before.
 
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