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The Appallachee School Shooting, and American Apathy

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J.D. Vance commented on the recent Appallachee school shooting, with the
response that this sort of shooting by this sort of "psycho" shooter was just
"a fact of life".

Trying to be the least critical of this response to ANOTHER school shooting,

I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT ABOUT 2 DECADES AGO, THE ISRAELIS
SUGGESTED THAT AMERICA SHOUD "HARDEN" ITS SCHOOLS, BY
INSTALLING METAL DETECTORS.

The American Congress has not bothered to pass legislation, requiring the
hardening of schools, by installing metal detectors. It has been years and
years of inaction and apathy by the Congress, whose 2 big political parties
have paid more attention to reviling each other publicly, and invoking
conspiracy theories that supposedly explain why everything is as it is
(for example Alex Jones, ranting that the Sandy Hook shooting never
happened, and was just a Deep State fake event).

It does not help that BOTH of the big political parties have refused to take
a first step to harden the "soft target" of our public schools, and continue
to resort to speeches about "hardening our schools", after about 2 decades
of expicilty DOING NOTHING to practically guard our school children.

Both political parties can go through the MEANINGLESS public "weeping" rhetoric
of "How could this happen", and "how could we stop this from ever happening
again?" Our lawmakers have known what they could do, and THEY HAVE DONE
NOTHING, for a couple of decades, while we have had dozens of school shootings.

[Staff Edit]

What we really need is to harden our voting, at the voting booths, and THROW OUT
Senators and Congressmen who have NOT BOTHERED to take the first step of
safety, that the Israelis suggested to us, about 20 years ago.

Maybe Alex Jones can make up some new conspiracy theories, that explain why this
most recent school shooting is really a non-event, and is a Deep State fake, meant to
manipulate the American public....
 
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You have made many points but I would like to say a few words.

It's not guns.

Americans have had guns as a day to day fact of life in nearly every American home for hundreds of years now, even when this was only a British colony.

We never had kids, youth, going out on these shooting spree's of innocent people until very recent years.

This is a sign of a very broken society as a whole, at very core levels that simply dumping more gun controls on the problem will not solve.

We need to go back to the beginning. Work on putting a societal emphasis on family and keeping families together again (mother, father, children together), we need a societal emphasis on putting parents back in charge of their child-rearing and educating - and go back to actually educating for a change.

All this social stupidity has to go... We have to find a way forward that isn't destroying the next generations.
 
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You have made many points but I would like to say a few words.

It's not guns.

Americans have had guns as a day to day fact of life in nearly every American home for hundreds of years now, even when this was only a British colony.

We never had kids, youth, going out on these shooting spree's of innocent people until very recent years.

This is a sign of a very broken society as a whole, at very core levels that simply dumping more gun controls on the problem will not solve.

We need to go back to the beginning. Work on putting a societal emphasis on family and keeping families together again (mother, father, children together), we need a societal emphasis on putting parents back in charge of their child-rearing and educating - and go back to actually educating for a change.

All this social stupidity has to go... We have to find a way forward that isn't destroying the next generations.
I have said before and I will say again the biggest things short of better parenting and Christ being in homes as there are no real laws for that.

These are A more focus on mental health this includes not judging people for seeking treatment as not if not more than making it affordable.

The second thing is ACTUALLY enforcing the laws on the books and punishing gun releated crimes with mandatory enhinments to the sentence that cannot be pled down ( even if the charge itself is unless finding the gun itself unless the state either cannot prove that element of the charge or the police found the gun illegally.
 
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I have said before and I will sayagain the biggesy things short of better parenting and Christ being in homes as there are no real laws for that.

These are A more focus on mental health this includes not judging people for seeking treatment as not if not more than making it affordable.

The second thing is ACTUALLY enforcing the laws on the books and punishing gun releated crimes with mandatory enhinments to the sentence that cannot be pled down ( even if the charge itself is unless finding the gun itself unless the state either cannot prove that element of the charge or the police found the gun illegally.

I mainly agree but I think we have a culture of mental health that's just not working at all.

However, after the implementation of the welfare state black Americans went from having around a 25% single parent household to having an approximately 75% single parent rate and it's very likely similar statistics among white poor as well.

I would like to see a system for helping those in poverty that really encourages two parent homes instead of the way it's set up now which very much seems to discourage them.

We definitely need to reexamine skills trades for young men as well and make sure there's a place for them that's positive, even those who are poorer.

I think there's a lot we can consider in policy that could help.
 
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J.D. Vance commented on the recent Appallachee school shooting, with the
response that this sort of shooting by this sort of "psycho" shooter was just
"a fact of life".

Trying to be the least critical of this response to ANOTHER school shooting,

I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT ABOUT 2 DECADES AGO, THE ISRAELIS
SUGGESTED THAT AMERICA SHOUD "HARDEN" ITS SCHOOLS, BY
INSTALLING METAL DETECTORS.

The American Congress has not bothered to pass legislation, requiring the
hardening of schools, by installing metal detectors. It has been years and
years of inaction and apathy by the Congress, whose 2 big political parties
have paid more attention to reviling each other publicly, and invoking
conspiracy theories that supposedly explain why everything is as it is
(for example Alex Jones, ranting that the Sandy Hook shooting never
happened, and was just a Deep State fake event).

It does not help that BOTH of the big political parties have refused to take
a first step to harden the "soft target" of our public schools, and continue
to resort to speeches about "hardening our schools", after about 2 decades
of expicilty DOING NOTHING to practically guard our school children.

Both political parties can go through the MEANINGLESS public "weeping" rhetoric
of "How could this happen", and "how could we stop this from ever happening
again?" Our lawmakers have known what they could do, and THEY HAVE DONE
NOTHING, for a couple of decades, while we have had dozens of school shootings.

Please. No more of the political B.S. about hardening our schools against attacks
by "psychos"!

What we really need is to harden our voting, at the voting booths, and THROW OUT
Senators and Congressmen who have NOT BOTHERED to take the first step of
safety, that the Israelis suggested to us, about 20 years ago.

Maybe Alex Jones can make up some new conspiracy theories, that explain why this
most recent school shooting is really a non-event, and is a Deep State fake, meant to
manipulate the American public....
Liberals in power would rather weep and keep pounding the notion that the public shouldn't have guns, than to take practical steps to keep things like this from happening.

Congress is full of liberals who are more interested in keeping power and money, than in even promoting true liberalism.
 
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I appreciate the comments.

I agree that there is a lot of pathological behavior in current American society.


But, why allow THIS specific pathological behavior of school shootings go
on, when the Israelis suggested, a couple decades ago, how to stop them?

Saying that there are increasing trends of mental illness in American society
(an argument that some people use), does not explain why specific causes
of mental illness (if this is the cause of school shootings) are not being
specifically addressed.

We do not allow drivers, who have "gone ballistic" in road rage, to continue
to drive -- we take away their license to drive, and then imprison them.
What we DO NOT DO, is simply engage in a weepy public rhetoric of
"How could this road rage happen? Look at the results of increasing trends
of mental illness in society...."

America should FIRST of all be concerned THAT school shootings continue to
happen, and FIRST be concerned with STOPPING THEM. If we can practically
stop the shootings, without engaging in a 2 century program of identifying a
15-dimensional mental illness model that explains school shootings, we ought
to simply stop the school shootings.

I would say that American members of Congress should take the same
practical approach to stopping abuses to our citizens, without getting
sidetracked into debating massively complex theories of mental illness,
and especially the ones being put forward by Alex Jones and Tucker Carlson.

I would say the same thing about the pathological effects of constant cell phone
use by young people, and cyber crime. And "demonstrations" that are used as a cover
for rioting and lynching.

Fix the problems.
Stop arguing about conspiracy theories that supposedly explain them.
And stop trying to argue that the Constitution allows these types of
pathological behaviors.
 
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J.D. Vance commented on the recent Appallachee school shooting, with the
response that this sort of shooting by this sort of "psycho" shooter was just
"a fact of life".

Trying to be the least critical of this response to ANOTHER school shooting,

I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT ABOUT 2 DECADES AGO, THE ISRAELIS
SUGGESTED THAT AMERICA SHOUD "HARDEN" ITS SCHOOLS, BY
INSTALLING METAL DETECTORS.

The American Congress has not bothered to pass legislation, requiring the
hardening of schools, by installing metal detectors. It has been years and
years of inaction and apathy by the Congress, whose 2 big political parties
have paid more attention to reviling each other publicly, and invoking
conspiracy theories that supposedly explain why everything is as it is
(for example Alex Jones, ranting that the Sandy Hook shooting never
happened, and was just a Deep State fake event).

It does not help that BOTH of the big political parties have refused to take
a first step to harden the "soft target" of our public schools, and continue
to resort to speeches about "hardening our schools", after about 2 decades
of expicilty DOING NOTHING to practically guard our school children.

Both political parties can go through the MEANINGLESS public "weeping" rhetoric
of "How could this happen", and "how could we stop this from ever happening
again?" Our lawmakers have known what they could do, and THEY HAVE DONE
NOTHING, for a couple of decades, while we have had dozens of school shootings.

Please. No more of the political B.S. about hardening our schools against attacks
by "psychos"!

What we really need is to harden our voting, at the voting booths, and THROW OUT
Senators and Congressmen who have NOT BOTHERED to take the first step of
safety, that the Israelis suggested to us, about 20 years ago.

Maybe Alex Jones can make up some new conspiracy theories, that explain why this
most recent school shooting is really a non-event, and is a Deep State fake, meant to
manipulate the American public....
There is perhaps something strange going on with this .... there have been reports by people who were there that they heard shots coming from more than 1 direction.

"There was more than ONE shooter!" Eye witnesses DESTROY official story in Georgia | Redacted News
 
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I apologize for any spelling errors.
I don't expect Congress to legislate about them....

I don't know what the Israeli's suggested concerning school shootings. I hadn't heard they ever had a problem with them which they found a way to resolve...
 
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J.D. Vance commented on the recent Appallachee school shooting, with the
response that this sort of shooting by this sort of "psycho" shooter was just
"a fact of life".

Trying to be the least critical of this response to ANOTHER school shooting,

I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT ABOUT 2 DECADES AGO, THE ISRAELIS
SUGGESTED THAT AMERICA SHOUD "HARDEN" ITS SCHOOLS, BY
INSTALLING METAL DETECTORS.

The American Congress has not bothered to pass legislation, requiring the
hardening of schools, by installing metal detectors. It has been years and
years of inaction and apathy by the Congress, whose 2 big political parties
have paid more attention to reviling each other publicly, and invoking
conspiracy theories that supposedly explain why everything is as it is
(for example Alex Jones, ranting that the Sandy Hook shooting never
happened, and was just a Deep State fake event).

It does not help that BOTH of the big political parties have refused to take
a first step to harden the "soft target" of our public schools, and continue
to resort to speeches about "hardening our schools", after about 2 decades
of expicilty DOING NOTHING to practically guard our school children.

Both political parties can go through the MEANINGLESS public "weeping" rhetoric
of "How could this happen", and "how could we stop this from ever happening
again?" Our lawmakers have known what they could do, and THEY HAVE DONE
NOTHING, for a couple of decades, while we have had dozens of school shootings.

Please. No more of the political B.S. about hardening our schools against attacks
by "psychos"!

What we really need is to harden our voting, at the voting booths, and THROW OUT
Senators and Congressmen who have NOT BOTHERED to take the first step of
safety, that the Israelis suggested to us, about 20 years ago.

Maybe Alex Jones can make up some new conspiracy theories, that explain why this
most recent school shooting is really a non-event, and is a Deep State fake, meant to
manipulate the American public....
I get Harris' point that we should never normalize murder at school. But it is a fact of life and to try and score political points is nasty. Vance was just suggesting hardening schools to make it less likely. This is out of place too because schools are a state and local matter. So too bad they comment about emotional stuff and not about what they can do as VP or President. We know that it is basically nothing. They will have less impact than Taylor Swift.
 
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Liberals in power would rather weep and keep pounding the notion that the public shouldn't have guns, than to take practical steps to keep things like this from happening.

Congress is full of liberals who are more interested in keeping power and money, than in even promoting true liberalism.
You aren’t wrong, sadly.
 
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J.D. Vance commented on the recent Appallachee school shooting, with the
response that this sort of shooting by this sort of "psycho" shooter was just
"a fact of life".

Trying to be the least critical of this response to ANOTHER school shooting,

I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT ABOUT 2 DECADES AGO, THE ISRAELIS
SUGGESTED THAT AMERICA SHOUD "HARDEN" ITS SCHOOLS, BY
INSTALLING METAL DETECTORS.

The American Congress has not bothered to pass legislation, requiring the
hardening of schools, by installing metal detectors. It has been years and
years of inaction and apathy by the Congress, whose 2 big political parties
have paid more attention to reviling each other publicly, and invoking
conspiracy theories that supposedly explain why everything is as it is
(for example Alex Jones, ranting that the Sandy Hook shooting never
happened, and was just a Deep State fake event).

It does not help that BOTH of the big political parties have refused to take
a first step to harden the "soft target" of our public schools, and continue
to resort to speeches about "hardening our schools", after about 2 decades
of expicilty DOING NOTHING to practically guard our school children.

Both political parties can go through the MEANINGLESS public "weeping" rhetoric
of "How could this happen", and "how could we stop this from ever happening
again?" Our lawmakers have known what they could do, and THEY HAVE DONE
NOTHING, for a couple of decades, while we have had dozens of school shootings.

[Staff Edit]

What we really need is to harden our voting, at the voting booths, and THROW OUT
Senators and Congressmen who have NOT BOTHERED to take the first step of
safety, that the Israelis suggested to us, about 20 years ago.

Maybe Alex Jones can make up some new conspiracy theories, that explain why this
most recent school shooting is really a non-event, and is a Deep State fake, meant to
manipulate the American public....

Sorry about the inadvertent use of what this platform calls "vulgarity".
If I had used a closer modern term such "gaslighting"or "misinformation",
it probably would have been acceptable.
 
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J.D. Vance commented on the recent Appallachee school shooting, with the
response that this sort of shooting by this sort of "psycho" shooter was just
"a fact of life".

Trying to be the least critical of this response to ANOTHER school shooting,

I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT ABOUT 2 DECADES AGO, THE ISRAELIS
SUGGESTED THAT AMERICA SHOUD "HARDEN" ITS SCHOOLS, BY
INSTALLING METAL DETECTORS.

The American Congress has not bothered to pass legislation, requiring the
hardening of schools, by installing metal detectors. It has been years and
years of inaction and apathy by the Congress, whose 2 big political parties
have paid more attention to reviling each other publicly, and invoking
conspiracy theories that supposedly explain why everything is as it is
(for example Alex Jones, ranting that the Sandy Hook shooting never
happened, and was just a Deep State fake event).

It does not help that BOTH of the big political parties have refused to take
a first step to harden the "soft target" of our public schools, and continue
to resort to speeches about "hardening our schools", after about 2 decades
of expicilty DOING NOTHING to practically guard our school children.

Both political parties can go through the MEANINGLESS public "weeping" rhetoric
of "How could this happen", and "how could we stop this from ever happening
again?" Our lawmakers have known what they could do, and THEY HAVE DONE
NOTHING, for a couple of decades, while we have had dozens of school shootings.

[Staff Edit]

What we really need is to harden our voting, at the voting booths, and THROW OUT
Senators and Congressmen who have NOT BOTHERED to take the first step of
safety, that the Israelis suggested to us, about 20 years ago.

Maybe Alex Jones can make up some new conspiracy theories, that explain why this
most recent school shooting is really a non-event, and is a Deep State fake, meant to
manipulate the American public....


Note that the Democratic vice presidential candidate, does not think
that these ongoing school shootings, should be seen as a "fact of life".

We COULD HAVE LEGISLATED that K12 schools should have metal detectors,
so that no firearms would be allowed in them. This was the Israelis' advice
to Americans, years ago.

There is no freedom in America, that guarantees that underage children
can carry firearms.

We should not have to rely on warnings from parents, that "I think my child
wants to shoot up their school". After all, parents who are responsible for
letting their underage kids have access to firearms, have ALREADY
shown that they are IRRESPONSIBLE PARENTS.

Why should Americans continue to mourn deaths and traumatic wounds in
school shooting, in schools in which metal detectors have not been installed?

Why should we STILL be having this discussion about stopping shootings in
K12 schools? Why haven't the parents in the area of the Apalachee school, not
voted to put in metal detectors, years ago?
 
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J.D. Vance commented on the recent Appallachee school shooting, with the
response that this sort of shooting by this sort of "psycho" shooter was just
"a fact of life".

Trying to be the least critical of this response to ANOTHER school shooting,

I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT ABOUT 2 DECADES AGO, THE ISRAELIS
SUGGESTED THAT AMERICA SHOUD "HARDEN" ITS SCHOOLS, BY
INSTALLING METAL DETECTORS.

The American Congress has not bothered to pass legislation, requiring the
hardening of schools, by installing metal detectors. It has been years and
years of inaction and apathy by the Congress, whose 2 big political parties
have paid more attention to reviling each other publicly, and invoking
conspiracy theories that supposedly explain why everything is as it is
(for example Alex Jones, ranting that the Sandy Hook shooting never
happened, and was just a Deep State fake event).

It does not help that BOTH of the big political parties have refused to take
a first step to harden the "soft target" of our public schools, and continue
to resort to speeches about "hardening our schools", after about 2 decades
of expicilty DOING NOTHING to practically guard our school children.

Both political parties can go through the MEANINGLESS public "weeping" rhetoric
of "How could this happen", and "how could we stop this from ever happening
again?" Our lawmakers have known what they could do, and THEY HAVE DONE
NOTHING, for a couple of decades, while we have had dozens of school shootings.

[Staff Edit]

What we really need is to harden our voting, at the voting booths, and THROW OUT
Senators and Congressmen who have NOT BOTHERED to take the first step of
safety, that the Israelis suggested to us, about 20 years ago.

Maybe Alex Jones can make up some new conspiracy theories, that explain why this
most recent school shooting is really a non-event, and is a Deep State fake, meant to
manipulate the American public....

I understand your anger over the issue and appreciate you not igniting the never ending gun ban argument, but allow me to add a different perspective to the thread of responses.

Perhaps some or even all schools need metal detectors, but I'd suggest that such determination is one for the local or state jurisdictions to decide, not the federal government's DOE or even the legislative Congress. It concerns me that people today so generally expect the federal government to address all problems within the nation. That is not what our Constitution or founding fathers intended, but disregard for this paramount premise has led to a behemoth government that's grossly overpowered, financed, and influential upon society.

May I remind people that this was supposed to be a nation of states with each having different values and laws representative of the people. Yes, Congress can and must legislate laws impacting national issues, but I think school safety, curriculums, and policies are best left to the local levels where such things reflect the wishes and priorities of their constituents.
 
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J.D. Vance commented on the recent Appallachee school shooting, with the
response that this sort of shooting by this sort of "psycho" shooter was just
"a fact of life".

Trying to be the least critical of this response to ANOTHER school shooting,

I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT ABOUT 2 DECADES AGO, THE ISRAELIS
SUGGESTED THAT AMERICA SHOUD "HARDEN" ITS SCHOOLS, BY
INSTALLING METAL DETECTORS.

The American Congress has not bothered to pass legislation, requiring the
hardening of schools, by installing metal detectors. It has been years and
years of inaction and apathy by the Congress, whose 2 big political parties
have paid more attention to reviling each other publicly, and invoking
conspiracy theories that supposedly explain why everything is as it is
(for example Alex Jones, ranting that the Sandy Hook shooting never
happened, and was just a Deep State fake event).

It does not help that BOTH of the big political parties have refused to take
a first step to harden the "soft target" of our public schools, and continue
to resort to speeches about "hardening our schools", after about 2 decades
of expicilty DOING NOTHING to practically guard our school children.

Both political parties can go through the MEANINGLESS public "weeping" rhetoric
of "How could this happen", and "how could we stop this from ever happening
again?" Our lawmakers have known what they could do, and THEY HAVE DONE
NOTHING, for a couple of decades, while we have had dozens of school shootings.

[Staff Edit]

What we really need is to harden our voting, at the voting booths, and THROW OUT
Senators and Congressmen who have NOT BOTHERED to take the first step of
safety, that the Israelis suggested to us, about 20 years ago.

Maybe Alex Jones can make up some new conspiracy theories, that explain why this
most recent school shooting is really a non-event, and is a Deep State fake, meant to
manipulate the American public....
What JD Vance actually said:
"If these psychos are going to go after our kids, we've got to be prepared for it," Vance said, according to The Associated Press. "We don't have to like the reality that we live in, but it is the reality we live in."

The senator from Ohio continued, saying he didn't "like" that such shootings are "a fact of life" but said American schools are "soft targets."
I don’t like to admit this; I don’t like that this is a fact of life.” He then said, “We’ve got to bolster security so that if a psycho wants to walk through a front door and kill a bunch of children, they’re not able to.

This is true.

Fact Check:
Harris HQ posted that JD Vance responds to the deadly shooting in Georgia by saying school shootings are just “a fact of life” and attacking common sense gun safety reform.

Verdict: Misleading

This quote has been taken out of context. Vance actually said “I don’t like that this is a fact of life,” before advocating for increased security measures in schools.

 
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What JD Vance actually said:
"If these psychos are going to go after our kids, we've got to be prepared for it," Vance said, according to The Associated Press. "We don't have to like the reality that we live in, but it is the reality we live in."

The senator from Ohio continued, saying he didn't "like" that such shootings are "a fact of life" but said American schools are "soft targets."
I don’t like to admit this; I don’t like that this is a fact of life.” He then said, “We’ve got to bolster security so that if a psycho wants to walk through a front door and kill a bunch of children, they’re not able to.

This is true.

Fact Check:
Harris HQ posted that JD Vance responds to the deadly shooting in Georgia by saying school shootings are just “a fact of life” and attacking common sense gun safety reform.

Verdict: Misleading

This quote has been taken out of context. Vance actually said “I don’t like that this is a fact of life,” before advocating for increased security measures in schools.

Harris is attacking Vance? No surprise here.

I’m not pointing fingers. Both sides are guilty of this.
 
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