Ten Commandments in the Garden of Eden

[SabbathBlessings]

I found this interesting article about the Ten Commandments in the Garden of Eden.


Many Christians, including myself a while ago, believe that God first made His Ten Commandments known on mount Sinai. However, in this blog post, we are going to show that God ‘covertly’ revealed the Ten Commandments in the beginning, in the Garden of Eden to Adam and Eve, our first parents. It is a Revelation by Grace!

But how was this discovery made? Ironically, we discovered it in the last book of the Bible, in the book of Revelations 3:14-22, the letter to the church of Laodicea.

In the letter to the church of Laodicea, Jesus Christ addresses the church of today, the last church period in church history, the church of Laodicea, and states that it is naked and needs to buy of Him white raiment to cover the shame of its nakedness.

So the question we have to ask is, how did the church of Laodicea become naked in the first place, and what is this white raiment Jesus Christ strongly recommended as the remedy to our state of nakedness?

After going through the Bible, we discover there’s a similar situation of nakedness and white raiments in the book of Genesis in the story of Adam and Eve. Meaning if we study what occurred in the Garden of Eden that caused Adam and Eve to become naked, we can understand why the church of Laodicea is naked today. But wait a minute? How were Adam and Eve clothed at their creation in the first place before they became naked? From Psalm 8:5 and Isaiah 61:10, we learn that at their creation, God clothed Adam and Eve with glory and honor in garments of light (white), which represented the righteousness of God. So basically, God clothed Adam and Eve just as He and the angels were, in garments of white or light.

So the next logical question is that what then is the Righteousness of God? From Psalm 119:172, Isaiah 51:6-7, 1 John 5:17 and 1 John 3:4, we learn that the Righteousness of God is His everlasting covenant, the Ten Commandments, which is His Holy law. Not the Mosaic law! There’s a difference between the two.

This means that in the Garden of Eden, God clothed Adam and Eve with His Holy Law, which was represented by the white garments, and when they sinned and disobeyed Him, they lost that robe of righteousness and became naked! By eating the fruit of the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, which God commanded them not to eat, Adam and Eve sinned and broke the Ten Commandments in the Garden of Eden, therefore losing the garment of white, which is the righteousness of God.


Now that we are on the same page, we can now proceed to tackle the question, which of the Ten Commandments did Adam and Eve break? The answer is the full monty, all the ten at once!

“Thou shalt not eat of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil,” cannot be found in the 10 Commandments, however, in the simple statement, “But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die,” God places all the principles of the 10 Commandments.

The purpose of this blog post is to show by eating of that fruit, Adam and Eve broke all the ten commandments.

The first point we have to consider is the Bible’s definition of sin found in 1 John 3:4 “Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law,” meaning whenever we sin, we transgress an element of the Ten Commandments.

The second point to note is that the law of God is spiritual, according to Romans 7:14, where Paul states, “For we know that the Law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.” Why is the Law of God spiritual? We find the answer in Jesus’s conversation with the Samaritan woman in John 4:24, “God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.” Since the Creator of the universe and author of the 10 Commandments is Spirit, it is just natural that the document He authored is also in Spirit.

Usually, when we think of the 10 Commandments, we look at it literally as a list of 10 to do things. However, when we look at it from a spiritual point of view, we see that it’s more than ten and more profound than we can imagine. The number 10 in the Bible symbolizes ordinal perfection in the totality of God’s government. Psalm 119:96 states, “I have seen an end of all perfection: but thy commandment is exceeding broad.” It is limitless and encompasses every sin under the universe, and the angels are also subject to it just as we are. It is similar to the parables of the ten virgins (Matt 25:1-13), the ten lepers (Luke 17:11-19), the ten talents (Matt 25:14-30), and the ten minas (Luke 19:12-27). The number ten used in all these parables are prophetic and symbolic of the totality of the faithful.

Also, the law being Spirit should not be surprising because even laws written by humans is said to be in letter and Spirit. Constitutions of nations and governments are argued both in letter and spirit, so how much more the law that was written by God, who is Spirit? The Spirit of the law is the profound purpose, intention, and reasoning behind the letter of the law that we see. It is the part of the law that we do not see, but the more critical component of the law. Whenever we change the letter of the law it means that we have also changed the reason and original intent, which is the foundation upon which the law sits, which is the most critical aspect of the law. That is why the Lord warned us in Proverbs 22:28, “Remove not the ancient landmark, which thy fathers have set.” An example between letter and spirit of the law at home when your parents tell their teenagers not to have premarital sex until they are responsible adults. The teenager may not be happy and understand because they want to experience it. However, the spirit behind the law is that the parent is protecting their adolescent child from getting teenage pregnancy, which could derail their education and future stability or contracting an STD, which could end their life.

Part 2 to follow…

 

[SabbathBlessings]

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Also, the difference in the letter and spirit of the law can be found in the criminal code in most countries where you can be charged with conspiracy to commit a crime, whether murder or stealing or any other crime under the criminal code.

Having explained the Letter and Spirit of the law, we can now move on to examine what occurred in the Garden.

From Genesis 3:6 “And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.”

The Tenth Commandment

From the above quote, we see that Eve coveted or lusted after the fruit when “she saw that the tree was good for food, and “it was pleasant to the eyes” as well as “a tree to be desired to make one wise.” Eve coveted God’s fruit and broke the tenth commandment which says “17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor anything that is thy neighbor’s.” (Exodus 20:17)

Eve did not only covet the fruit of God, but she also wanted the knowledge which belonged to God, which is the knowledge of Good and Evil. Adam and Eve sinfully lusted after what was not theirs and sinfully desired to be like God themselves. Even though they were tempted and deceived by the Serpent, which is the devil and Satan, to take the fruit and eat, we also learn from James, that every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his lust and enticed. James 1:13-15 “13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: 14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.” So before Satan’s deception, he had probably observed their own desires of the fruit before hatching his plan to cause their fall.

Coveteousness or the sin of lust is the primary basis of all other sins committed by man. In Romans 7, Paul states that he was first convicted of sin, the sin of lust by the law, which said Thou shalt not covet. It is from covetousness that people steal, kill, and commit adultery. It is from coveteousness that we find greed or selfishness, envy, and jealousy. We fall into the sin of covetousness or lust when we are not content with what our Creator God has already given us. 1 Timothy 66 “But godliness with contentment is great gain. 7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. 8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content. 9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. 10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.” When we show discontent, we become ungrateful to God, who has provided us with everything and also tells us to be anxious about nothing but in everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, we should make our requests be made known to Him. (Philippians 4:6)


Adam and Eve were not content with all the fruit trees of the Garden of Eden, which God had given them to eat for food. They became blinded in their lust and desire for the fruit and knowledge of God and thus broke the tenth commandment, which says Thou shalt not covet.

The Second Commandment

From Colossians 3, we learn that coveteousness is idolatry, therefore by breaking the tenth commandment, Adam and Eve automatically broke the second commandment, which speaks of idolatry. Paul states in Colossians 3, “Put to death, therefore what is earthly in you: sexual immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry.”

How is covetousness idolatry someone might ask? It is easy to see how Adam and Eve were blinded by desire and lust for the fruit of God. The fruit became the object of desire and attention. Anything that becomes our object of extreme admiration, love, desire, and attention is an idol. It becomes an idol because it replaces the role of God in our lives. As creation and children of God, He must be our object of admiration and desire and worhsip. Adam and Eve became blinded to everything else God had provided for them in the Garden, and their only focus and object of desire became the fruit of God and the knowledge of good and evil. The second commandment states “Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.” (Exodus 20:4-6).

God considers anyone who commits idolatry to hate him. Most Christians know that idolotry in the form of bowing down an object is a sin. However, many of us are oblivious to the more critical aspect of committing spiritual idolatry when we make other objects or entities the center of our desire or attention or admiration. It can be our children, wives or loved ones, favorite artiste, or a coveted position or any inanimate object.

A perfect example of how coveteousness leads to idolatry is the fall of Lucifer or Satan, which found in Isaiah 14: 12 “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.”



Satan, formerly Lucifer, a creation of God, coveted the throne of God and also wanted to be worshipped like God. He was a beautifully created mighty angel who covered the throne of God (anointed cherub). His was not satisfied with his position in heaven and desire to be like God. His desire, selfishness, and greed blinded him to all the gifts God had already endowed him. His selfishness shows in verse above where everything was about him, I, I, I, I, I…..5 I’s, he failed to see anything else but the throne of God in his sight. This desire led Lucifer to rebel against God, causing him to be cast out of heaven and become Satan, the adversery. He is the chief Idolator who desires worship and control everything else, and now he’s deceived fallen human race to worship him instead of our Creator God. The reason why we worship God is that He is our Creator and provider in all things. However, when we commit idolatry, we worship the creation instead of the Creator himself. Adam and Eve committed idolatry because the object of their desire and worship become the fruit of God instead of God, their Creator, who gave them everything.

The First Commandment

Whenever we commit idolatry, we automatically break the first commandment which states that “thou shalt have no other gods before me” (Exodus 20:3)

By listening to the Serpent, Adam and Eve put their faith in Satan, the god of this world, instead of the Lord, who made Heaven and Earth and created them in His image and provided them everything. They put another god ahead of their Creator; they chose another god. Moreover, through unbelief Adam also put himself before God, desiring to be wise “like God,” knowing good and evil. He put the Serpent, his Wife, and Himself before God. Triple error!

The Third Commandment

The third commandment states, “Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.” God’s name (YHVH) is Holy and reflects his character. He is the Lord, our Provider (Jireh), our Shalom (Peace), He is Lord Almighty (El Shaddai), He’s Healer (Rapha), Most High God (El Elyon), etc., etc., the characteristics of God are innumerable.

When we take God’s name in vain, we fail to acknowledge God for who he is. When we take God’s name in vain, we treat God, his Word, or his work in the world in a way that demeans him and robs him of his infinite glory. Adam and Eve took the name of God in vain when they portrayed their Creator to be mean and ungenerous. “And the woman said unto the serpent; We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.”


God was generous as He provided Adam and Eve with all the fruit trees in the garden and only left one to himself. However, Eve portrayed the Lord as a wicked Father who even did not want them to touch his fruit. They mischaracterized God in front of Satan, who capitalized on it to deceive her.

The Fifth Commandment

The fifth commandment states that “Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.” (Exodus 20:12) When Adam and Eve broke the third commandment taking the name of the Lord in Vain, they dishonored their Father and Creator in front of the Serpent. God never told them not to touch of the fruit of the tree, by mentioning that Eve portrayed God to be a wicked Father who did not want His children even to touch his fruit. As a result of that, their days in the land (garden of Eden) were not long but cut short. Even though Adam and Eve lived long, their lives were full of toil and hardship due to their sin.

The Ninth Commandment

“Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.” (Exodus 20:16) As a result of using God’s name in vain, Adam and Eve also bore false witness to God. Adam and Eve misquoted their father as God never told them even not to touch the fruit. As witnesses of God, we have to be witnesses to the truth. Whenever we misquote, misinterpret, or misrepresent any portion of God’s Word, we bear false witness to God and become false witnesses or false prophets, which is sin.

The Six Commandment

“Thou shalt do no murder.” (Exodus 20:13) Adam and Eve brought death into the world by their act of eating the fruit of the tree. First, Adam had to kill a lamb, then later, Cain murdered Abel, etc.

The Seventh Command ent

“Thou shalt not commit adultery.” (Exodus 20:14) God’s children, Adam and Eve, were also the bride of God. From Isaiah 54, scripture tells us that “For thy Maker is thine husband.” Being the wife of God, Adam and Eve should have been faithful to God, their husband. However, by listening to Satan, they entertained another entity and listened to the commands of another ‘man’ who was not their husband and became unfaithful committing adultery spiritually against God. The Serpent, Satan, who is the adversary of God, had his way with God’s bride. How does that make God look? Very very bad and very weak. Whenever we listen to another entity besides our Creator God, we commit adultery or fornication.



Adam and Eve, therefore, lusted after another, the word of the Serpent and his ways, and by eating a piece of the forbidden fruit, they violated the seventh commandment. Whenever we forsake the Word of God and follow after commandments outside the Word of God, we commit adultery or fornication, which the Bible in the book Revelation says will be the greatest sin of the church.

The Eighth Commandment

“Thou shalt not steal.” (Exodus 20:15) By eating from God’s tree, Adam and Eve stole from God. They intended to take the knowledge that belonged to God. Adam and Eve became thieves when they ate God’s fruit, violating the eighth commandment.

The Fourth Commandment

The final commandment Adam and Eve broke was the fourth commandment, the seventh-day Sabbath commandment. The commandment to keep the Seventh-day day Holy, like all the other nine commandments, has a literal interpretation and a spiritual element to it. The commandment states the following: “8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it, thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days, the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and hallowed it.” (Exodus 20:8-11) It is the longest commandment covering four verses.

The reason God commanded us to keep holy the Sabbath day is stated in verse 11, pointing towards His six-day creation work and Yahweh’s position as the Creator or Maker of Heavens and the Earth. The reason we worship Yahweh is that He Created us as stated in Psalm 95, “O come, let us worship and bow down: let us kneel before the LORD our maker.” (Psalms 95:6)

The Word Sabbath contains the name of our father ABBA; it is the day of our father. Abba in Hebrew stands for foundation, Source, sustainer, protector, all characteristics of God (Strong's Hebrew: 1. אָב (ab) -- father). The entire planet originated from God, which makes him the foundation of everything. Everything comes from God, which makes him the Source. He sustains and upholds everything that comes out of his mouth, which makes him Sustainer and Protector.



When we give Him reverence and worship by obeying his Word, we affirm His role as the Creator, Foundation, Source, Sustainer, and Protector of our lives. Adam and Eve instead gave reverence to the Serpent and followed his word against the Word of God. Adam and Eve, in effect, gave the role of Creator, Foundation, Source, Sustainer and Protector to the Serpent and thus broke the Sabbath Commandment, which shows that Yahweh is our Abba Father.

That is a long piece, but we can see from the preceding that Adam and Eve’s sin of disobeying God’s command not to eat of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was very grievous in the sight of the Lord and was not simply the eating of a forbidden fruit. The sin led God to drive them out of the garden of Eden and away from the tree of life.

If the Ten Commandments were in existence from the Garden of Eden, then it is still applicable today and was not only given to the Jews on Mount Sinai. It is the Righteousness of God from the beginning of the world; it is the righteousness of God in heaven; it is the righteousness of God now and will be the Righteousness of God in heaven and earth made new. Do not be deceived by anyone who says God has changed any part of it or removed any part of it. God does not change; He is the same yesterday today and forever. Amen!

The Garden of Eden and the Ten Commandments​

Many Christians, including myself a while ago, believe that God first made His Ten Commandments known on mount Sinai. However, in this blog post, we are going to show that God ‘covertly&#8217…

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[Blade]

Really reaching here. Something I have never heard. God saved His people from Egypt and was leading them providing for them even as they kept complaining. The short is something happened. God said something and they said what? They could do anything God said. God called them a stiff neck people. "And the LORD said to Moses, “I have seen this people, and indeed it is a stiff-necked people!"

Interesting but so much speculation. There was no 10 commandments in the garden or right after. What's written on our hearts was not even spoken yet "But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people"

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Really reaching here. Something I have never heard. God saved His people from Egypt and was leading them providing for them even as they kept complaining. The short is something happened. God said something and they said what? They could do anything God said. God called them a stiff neck people. "And the LORD said to Moses, “I have seen this people, and indeed it is a stiff-necked people!"

Interesting but so much speculation. There was no 10 commandments in the garden or right after. What's written on our hearts was not even spoken yet "But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people"

We are told where there is no law there is no transgression. Romans 4:15 Sin is the transgression of the law 1 John 3:4. The devil sinned from the beginning 1 John 3:8 meaning the devil broke God's law in heaven. God did not leave it up to anyone else to write His holy law- He personally wrote it with His own finger Exodus 31:18, spoke it with His own voice Exodus 20, these are the works of God alone Exodus 32:16 and the earthy temple was just a miniature of God's heavenly Temple which means the Ten Commandments are in the Most Holy where God dwells in heaven which is what we are told Revelation 11:19 God's law is eternal.

God laws in our hearts has always been God's will for us Psalms 40:8 personally written in stone and now written in the hearts and minds of His people Hebrews 8:10- God identified His law right in the Ten Commandments Exodus 20:6 sad they get rejected so much by the majority of people. I wonder if anyone else stops to think- do we really need to keep God's commandments. It's been a consistent theme all throughout the bible up until the end of time Revelation 22:14 to be honest I am surprised how many people debate this or think we do not need to keep, or they can be edited despite God stating otherwise Deut 4:2, Proverbs 30:5-6 The whole world really has been deceived, we really are meant to keep God’s unedited commandments He personally wrote for us.

 

[Diamond72]

How were Adam and Eve clothed at their creation in the first place before they became naked? From Psalm 8:5 and Isaiah 61:10, we learn that at their creation, God clothed Adam and Eve with glory and honor in garments of light (white), which represented the righteousness of God. So basically, God clothed Adam and Eve just as He and the angels were, in garments of white or light.

Adam and Eve tried to clothe themselves but it was more for decoration and it did not even keep them warm. This is why the Bible talks about inner beauty and outward beauty made to impress people and cover up what you are talking about our clothing from God.

I attended a church were there were women with long hair and long dresses. When they go to the alter they would cover themself and it was very beautiful to see them there like that. John Wesley talks about how this was his biggest mistake is that he did not teach people how to dress properly. This is a outward expression of their inner beauty. Even if the world does not understand why they wear those long dresses to church.

 

[Diamond72]

There was no 10 commandments in the garden or right after.

Some believe the oral tradition goes back to Adam. Written language does not seem to go back that far. It was Abraham that God had a covenant.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Adam and Eve tried to clothe themselves but it was more for decoration and it did not even keep them warm. This is why the Bible talks about inner beauty and outward beauty made to impress people and cover up what you are talking about our clothing from God.

I attended a church were there were women with long hair and long dresses. When they go to the alter they would cover themself and it was very beautiful to see them there like that. John Wesley talks about how this was his biggest mistake is that he did not teach people how to dress properly. This is a outward expression of their inner beauty. Even if the world does not understand why they wear those long dresses to church.

When Adam and Eve sinned they lost their spiritual clothes, it is not referring to human clothes. When Adam and Eve disobeyed God, they allowed sin to enter into this world. Romans 5:12 which is when they realized they were naked Genesis 3:7 because they were no longer clothed in God's righteousness. Clothes in scripture has a deeper meaning than literal clothes. and we can see examples of this in Isaiah 64:6, Isaiah 61:1- Job 24:14 All of God's commandments are righteous Psalms 119:172 and too many people depend on their own works or righteousness instead of the works of God. Exodus 32:16

One of the last scriptures in the bible says:

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city

another translation says this

Revelation 22:14 “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city.

We must have clean robes, which is not literal, but clean of sin, which is breaking God's law 1 John 3:4, Romans 7:7. we can only do this through Jesus Christ for those who wants to obey He enables us with the power to do so. John 14:15-18

 

[Diamond72]

When Adam and Eve sinned they lost their spiritual clothes, it is not referring to human clothes.

Yes and they tried to cover themselves with "fig leaves". Even we get the term Fig Leaf Religion from this. Then we are told Genesis 3:21 "God make coats of skins, and clothed them."

 

[GenemZ]

Here is the problem with the premise of this thread......

There was only one commandment in the Garden. Only one.

If that one commandment had been obeyed?

There would be no ten commandments later on.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Yes and they tried to cover themselves with "fig leaves". Even we get the term Fig Leaf Religion from this. Then we are told Genesis 3:21 "God make coats of skins, and clothed them."

Yes, this was the first reference to animal sacrifices once man sinned. No longer clothed in God's righteousness but clothed in the skin of animals that had to be sacrificed, which points to Jesus who became our Sacrificial Lamb for the forgiveness of sins and sanctification when we have a change of heart to our life of sin and want to walk with Him in obedience. Acts 2:38 John 14:15-18

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Here is the problem with the premise of this thread......

There was only one commandment in the Garden. Only one.

If that one commandment had been obeyed?

There would be no ten commandments later on.

This is my understanding of God's law, that it has always existed. Lucifer was a covering cherub, meaning he watched over the law in heaven.

God's law is in heaven Revelation 11:19 and the earthy Temple was an exact replica of the heavenly Temple Hebrews 9:11, Hebrews 9:24 . Inside the Most Holy of God's Temple lies the Ten Commandments Exodus 26:33. Without law there is no standard of judgement, and we will all be judged based on the Ten Commandments James 2:10-12 God's version, not mans.

Romans 4:15 because the law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression.

The devil sinned from the beginning 1 John 3:8 and where there is no law there is no transgression. Romans 4:15 and sin is the transgression of the law 1 John 3:4 which Paul points to the Ten Commandments to define sin Romans 7:7. So the law started from the very beginning. No government can survive on lawlessness and God's Kingdom is no different, which is why obedience to God is so important, it shows respect, faith and love.

The law did not exist in written form until Mt Sinai but it was there from the beginning. The fact that Adam and Eve sinned, means they transgressed the law and if you read post #2 it references how they broke God's commandments.

Breaking God's law is what separated Lucifer from God and it is what separated man from God. To follow the same path of disobedience and expect a different outcome is not building our house on the Rock. Matthew 7:24

One of the last scriptures in the bible before the Second Coming of Jesus

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

God gave us His commandments because they are for our own good. Psalms 19:7 and it shows our love to God. 1 John 5:3

 

[GenemZ]

This is my understanding of God's law, that it has always existed. Lucifer was a covering cherub, meaning he watched over the law in heaven.

Lucifer was not created as a sinner.

There was no law until there was sin.
The Law was given later to define and restrain sin, and to provide a means to seek salvation.

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You were an anointed guardian cherub,​

and I placed you on God’s holy mountain;​

you walked in the midst of stones of fire.​

You were blameless in your ways​

from the day when you were created,​

until wickedness was found in you." ​

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Ezek 28:14-15​

Does anyone think their ideas through?

Without sin there was no Law.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Lucifer was not created as a sinner.

Agreed.

There was no law until there was sin.

Lucifer sinned in heaven therefore he broke God's law in heaven. Romans 4:15. God's law is in heaven because the earthy Temple that held the Ten Commandments in the Most Holy of God's Temple was a replica of the heavenly Temple. Hebrews 9:24 Scripture reveals God's law is in heaven Revelation 11:19 Lucifer's job was a covering cherub meaning he watched over the law. Exodus 25:20 Ezekiel 28:16

The Law was given later to restrain sin, and to provide a means to seek salvation.

Where's the scripture that says this? The law is what defines sin. 1 John 3:4, Romans 7:7 No one has ever been saved by law keeping, we are saved by grace through faith. Someone with faith upholds God's law instead of profaning it. Romans 3:31, Revelation 14:12

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You were an anointed guardian cherub,​

and I placed you on God’s holy mountain;​

you walked in the midst of stones of fire.​

You were blameless in your ways​

from the day when you were created,​

until wickedness was found in you." ​

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Ezek 28:14-15​

Agreed, and the key word is until

Does anyone think their ideas through?

I am wondering the same thing.

Without sin there was no Law.

This is what scripture says:

Where there is no law there is no transgression . Romans 4:15 and sin is the transgression of the law 1 John 3:4 which Paul points to the Ten Commandments to define sin Romans 7:7.

For me, I am going to stick with the scriptures.

 

[GenemZ]

Agreed.

Lucifer sinned in heaven therefore he broke God's law in heaven.

How do you know it was in heaven?

Satan used to rule on the prehistoric earth as God's assignment for his life.

Satan fell because he resented having to serve God and wanted to do things his way.

Just as Adam had dominion over the animals of our creation, the angels were having dominion over the animals of the prehistoric world.

Unlike Adam, Satan resented the job assigned him in regards to overseeing the animal life on earth.

The Law was given to reveal what lawlessness is.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

How do you know it was in heaven?

Lucifer was separated from God when he sinned. Sin is the transgression of the law 1 John 3:4 Without law there is no standard of judgement. When you speed- how do you know that's a violation? Because its in the law. No government can operate on lawlessness and God's government is no exception which is why the earthy Temple was an exact replica of the heavenly one.

Satan used to rule on the prehistoric earth as God's assignment for his life.

what do you mean by prehistoric earth- do you have scripture to back up your ideas?

Satan fell because he resented having to serve God and wanted to do things his way.

Yes, breaking all sorts of commandments like commandment #1 You shall not have other gods before Me

Just as Adam had dominion over the animals of our creation, the angels were having dominion over the animals of the prehistoric world.

Do you have a scripture to reference or is this your own idea?

Unlike Adam, Satan resented the job assigned him in regards to overseeing the animal life on earth.

The Law was given to reveal what lawlessness is.

Again, this seems to be your own ideas, I prefer to follow the scripture, which you have yet to engage in the scriptures I posted and its hard to reason with opinions as if they are on equal ground to the Holy Scriptures so I will leave it as we will need to agree to disagree.

 

[ViaCrucis]

If the Decalogue existed in Eden, then that kind of makes a mockery of a bulk of St. Paul's theology.

It also assumes the Decalogue is somehow more special than the rest of God's commandments--a position that has no biblical precedent.

Which commandments did Christ declare greatest? What is the commandment that was to be a sign upon the Israelite's forehead and right hand?

The premise is therefore two-fold problematic:

1) It presupposes something about the Decalogue that simply cannot be substantiated by the witness of Old and New Testaments.

2) It renders most of the New Testament Scriptures meaningless as it pertains to the role of the Law within the grand scope of God's redemptive plans.

So if we're voting, I'm going to say no.

However, something far more interesting is that in the Garden we do have a type of the Cross of Jesus Christ in the Tree of Life.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[GenemZ]

what do you mean by prehistoric earth- do you have scripture to back up your ideas?

Many passages need to be shown.

Here are three classic works.

A.) Invisible War, The

B.) R. B. Thieme, Jr., Bible Ministries — Creation, Chaos, and Restoration

C.) Without Form and Void - Frontpage

grace and peace!

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Many passages need to be shown.

Here are three classic works.

A.) Invisible War, The

B.) R. B. Thieme, Jr., Bible Ministries — Creation, Chaos, and Restoration

C.) Without Form and Void - Frontpage

grace and peace!

Thanks for the book references, I am more interested in scripture through.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

If the Decalogue existed in Eden, then that kind of makes a mockery of a bulk of St. Paul's theology.

Please explain through scripture- Paul said what matters is keeping the commandments of God 1 Cor 7:19 so not sure how that would be contradictory to Eden.

It also assumes the Decalogue is somehow more special than the rest of God's commandments--a position that has no biblical precedent.

Please show me through scripture where God both personally wrote and spoke any other commandments except for the Ten. Please show me though scripture where it says any other commandments were inside the ark of the covenant in the Most Holy of God’s Temple except for the Ten. Perhaps you do not see the significance of this, I do. One of the wisest men in scripture thinks so too. Ecclesiastes 12:13 which is in harmony with the teachings of Paul 1 Cor 7:19 and Jesus Matthew 15:3-9 and these rest of the apostles- too many references to list but its in our bibles.

Which commandments did Christ declare greatest? What is the commandment that was to be a sign upon the Israelite's forehead and right hand?

The greatest commandments is shown by keeping the commandments of God. The first 4 shows our love to God and the last 6 how we are to love our neighbor.

1 John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

We cannot keep the greatest commandments to love God with all our might and soul by breaking any of His commandments. Scripture confirms this 1 John 2:3-6

The premise is therefore two-fold problematic:

1) It presupposes something about the Decalogue that simply cannot be substantiated by the witness of Old and New Testaments.

Do you offer any scripture that says we no longer need to keep God’s commandments? God wrote His will and testimony with His very own finger Exodus 31:18 this is God’s will for us Psalms 40:8 Hebrews 8:10 which is in harmony with the entire bible until Jesus comes. Revelation 14:12, Revelation 22:14
What is sad is so many people try to discredit the works of God Exodus 32:16 and instead replace it with their own works. Our works can’t save us, our works are not righteous, only God is righteous Psalms 11:7 and all of His commandments are righteous Psalms 119:172 and Truth Psalms 119:151 and those who keep not His commandments there is no truth 1 John 2:3-5. We are sanctified by the Truth of His Word. John 17:17

2) It renders most of the New Testament Scriptures meaningless as it pertains to the role of the Law within the grand scope of God's redemptive plans.

So if we're voting, I'm going to say no.

However, something far more interesting is that in the Garden we do have a type of the Cross of Jesus Christ in the Tree of Life.

-CryptoLutheran

The Tree of Life is literal and without it we do not have eternal life. Many people want the blessings, but not sure if they really want God. God’s character is reflected in His commandments- you take away His commandments- you are really taking away the Author.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Please explain through scripture- Paul said what matters is keeping the commandments of God 1 Cor 7:19 so not sure how that would be contradictory to Eden.


Please show me through scripture where God both personally wrote and spoke any other commandments except for the Ten. Please show me though scripture where it says any other commandments were inside the ark of the covenant in the Most Holy of God’s Temple except for the Ten. Perhaps you do not see the significance of this, I do. One of the wisest men in scripture thinks so too. Ecclesiastes 12:13 which is in harmony with the teachings of Paul 1 Cor 7:19 and Jesus Matthew 15:3-9 and these rest of the apostles- too many references to list but its in our bibles.

The greatest commandments is shown by keeping the commandments of God. The first 4 shows our love to God and the last 6 how we are to love our neighbor.

1 John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

We cannot keep the greatest commandments to love God with all our might and soul by breaking any of His commandments. Scripture confirms this 1 John 2:3-6

Do you offer any scripture that says we no longer need to keep God’s commandments? God wrote His will and testimony with His very own finger Exodus 31:18 this is God’s will for us Psalms 40:8 Hebrews 8:10 which is in harmony with the entire bible until Jesus comes. Revelation 14:12, Revelation 22:14
What is sad is so many people try to discredit the works of God Exodus 32:16 and instead replace it with their own works. Our works can’t save us, our works are not righteous, only God is righteous Psalms 11:7 and all of His commandments are righteous Psalms 119:172 and Truth Psalms 119:151 and those who keep not His commandments there is no truth 1 John 2:3-5. We are sanctified by the Truth of His Word. John 17:17

The Tree of Life is literal and without it we do not have eternal life. Many people want the blessings, but not sure if they really want God. God’s character is reflected in His commandments- you take away His commandments- you are really taking away the Author.

"This is what I mean: The Law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. For if the inheritance comes by the Law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise.

Why then the Law? It was added because of transgressions, until the Offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary. Now and intermediary implies more than one, but God is one.

Is the Law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not. For if the Law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the Law. But the Scriptures imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe." - Galatians 3:17-22

The Law was given after Abraham, that includes the Decalogue. It did not exist before Moses, it was not in the Garden. The Law and the covenant by the Law, is after Abraham. Paul looks to before the giving of the Law, to the promises of the Gospel made beforehand, to Abraham, which is Christ.

By saying that the Decalogue preceded Moses Paul's entire theology becomes nothing. The promise was made before the Law was given, the Law does not annul the promise, but the Law is not the promise. Christ is the promise, the Gospel is before the Law, the Law exists on account of sin, but the Gospel is the everlasting promise of God. The Law reveals sin, but the Gospel gives life.

And which commandments did God personally speak beside the Decalogue? That's quite simple,

"You shall love your enemy as yourself" "If someone strikes you on the one cheek, turn and offer the other as well" "Love the Lord your God" "Love your neighbor as yourself" "A new commandment I give you, that you love each other even as I have loved you".

Each of those spoken by the very lips of the Incarnate Almighty God, Jesus Christ. He who is Greater than Moses for He is before Moses and above Moses in every way. Moses was His servant, through which came the Law to increase the trespass and declare everyone captive to sin, in order that through the promise of God in the Gospel Christ would come and redeem the world by His blood.

I hardly believe you will care what the Scriptures actually teach on this subject. But in order that none be taken captive by your sect's doctrines of demons, it is necessary to preach the truth of Christ and His Word.

-CryptoLutheran