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Came across this article from about two years ago.
Prophetic Lost Stone From High Priest’s Breastplate Believed Found After 1,000-Year Journey

Could this be one half of the Urim Thummim?

Some points from the article.

  • Experts agree that a small onyx stone, claimed to be given to a Knight Templar over 1,000 years ago and handed down through one family from generation to generation, is actually what the present owner claims: a gem from the breastplate of the High Priest in Jerusalem.
  • In addition to the 12 stones mounted on the breastplate were two sardonyx stones fixed in gold settings on the shoulders of the High Priest.Experts believe this is one of those stones. If this is so, contained within it is the power of prophecy and it may play an important role in returning the Priestly Caste to serve in the Temple.
  • Even more astounding than the cut of the stone was the inexplicable inscription inside the stone, visible through the clear surface: two letters in ancient Hebrew. Dr. Stone wrote in his appraisal of the gem, “There is no modern or ancient technology known to me by which an artisan could produce the inscription, as it is not cut into the surface of the stone.”
  • The family had documentation that traced its descent from a Crusader-period male ancestor who had been in the Holy Land in the Middle Ages and claimed the stone was a reward from the High Priest.
  • He dated production of the stone to approximately the 5th century BCE.
  • When he held it to the light, he was amazed to see very clearly inside the stone itself, two letters in ancient Hebrew. The letters seemed to be engraved or burnt into the heart of the stone.
  • The present owner has contracted with a South African businessman to find investors who are willing to purchase the stone and bring it home to Israel.

Watch this video to see the stone, and the letters inside.

 

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How do you make the 3D laser images?


Photo crystals are made using a special laser that focuses its concentrated beams of light to a precise point below the surface of the crystal. Each bright point in the image is plotted in the final crystal piece. The laser then focuses a high-powered beam on each three-dimensional coordinate. Once the beam reaches the focal point, the powerful laser pulse makes a tiny void or inclusion inside the crystal. Then the laser moves to the next coordinate and makes another etched point. Finally, enough points are created to reproduce the design deep within the crystal. As laser beams are non-invasive,
no marks or blemishes are left on the surface of the crystal. When viewed from any angle the intricate design is viewed much like a three dimensional sculpture.
 
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graving.
ENgraving.
"en" meaning "in".
You can not grave on something, you dig into the surface with a chisel of some sorts.
"Written in stone", not ON stone.
None the less, the text is ON the stone, even when it's ENgraved...
 
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Came across this article from about two years ago.
Prophetic Lost Stone From High Priest’s Breastplate Believed Found After 1,000-Year Journey

Could this be one half of the Urim Thummim?

Some points from the article.

  • Experts agree that a small onyx stone, claimed to be given to a Knight Templar over 1,000 years ago and handed down through one family from generation to generation, is actually what the present owner claims: a gem from the breastplate of the High Priest in Jerusalem.
  • In addition to the 12 stones mounted on the breastplate were two sardonyx stones fixed in gold settings on the shoulders of the High Priest.Experts believe this is one of those stones. If this is so, contained within it is the power of prophecy and it may play an important role in returning the Priestly Caste to serve in the Temple.
  • Even more astounding than the cut of the stone was the inexplicable inscription inside the stone, visible through the clear surface: two letters in ancient Hebrew. Dr. Stone wrote in his appraisal of the gem, “There is no modern or ancient technology known to me by which an artisan could produce the inscription, as it is not cut into the surface of the stone.”
  • The family had documentation that traced its descent from a Crusader-period male ancestor who had been in the Holy Land in the Middle Ages and claimed the stone was a reward from the High Priest.
  • He dated production of the stone to approximately the 5th century BCE.
  • When he held it to the light, he was amazed to see very clearly inside the stone itself, two letters in ancient Hebrew. The letters seemed to be engraved or burnt into the heart of the stone.
  • The present owner has contracted with a South African businessman to find investors who are willing to purchase the stone and bring it home to Israel.

Watch this video to see the stone, and the letters inside.


Are you aware of how the stones were etched with the letters according to the Temple Institute?


Rather, a most unique method was utilized to carve the names into the stones of the breastplate. It was accomplished naturally, by one of G-d's creations. A worm called the shamir existed that could cut stones merely with its glance. According to the rabbis, this creature was brought into existence during the original six days of creation, but ceased to exist following the destruction of the First Temple.

It is taught that Moses himself used the shamir for the stones of the original ephod and breastplate while yet in the desert, for the Tabernacle.

"Initially, the words are written on the stones in ink. Then the stones are simply exposed to the shamir, and the letters are cut into the stones automatically, of their own accord... like a fig which ripens and splits open in summer; it splits open but yet no part of it is missing. And a valley splits open during the rainy season, but it too lacks nothing." (BT Sotah 48:B) - thus the stones remained "in their fullness."
The Temple Institute: The Priestly Garments: The Two Sardonyx Stones
 
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Came across this article from about two years ago.
Prophetic Lost Stone From High Priest’s Breastplate Believed Found After 1,000-Year Journey

Could this be one half of the Urim Thummim?

Some points from the article.

  • Experts agree that a small onyx stone, claimed to be given to a Knight Templar over 1,000 years ago and handed down through one family from generation to generation, is actually what the present owner claims: a gem from the breastplate of the High Priest in Jerusalem.
  • In addition to the 12 stones mounted on the breastplate were two sardonyx stones fixed in gold settings on the shoulders of the High Priest.Experts believe this is one of those stones. If this is so, contained within it is the power of prophecy and it may play an important role in returning the Priestly Caste to serve in the Temple.
  • Even more astounding than the cut of the stone was the inexplicable inscription inside the stone, visible through the clear surface: two letters in ancient Hebrew. Dr. Stone wrote in his appraisal of the gem, “There is no modern or ancient technology known to me by which an artisan could produce the inscription, as it is not cut into the surface of the stone.”
  • The family had documentation that traced its descent from a Crusader-period male ancestor who had been in the Holy Land in the Middle Ages and claimed the stone was a reward from the High Priest.
  • He dated production of the stone to approximately the 5th century BCE.
  • When he held it to the light, he was amazed to see very clearly inside the stone itself, two letters in ancient Hebrew. The letters seemed to be engraved or burnt into the heart of the stone.
  • The present owner has contracted with a South African businessman to find investors who are willing to purchase the stone and bring it home to Israel.

Watch this video to see the stone, and the letters inside.


Exo 28:9 And thou shalt take two onyx stones, and grave on them the names of the children of Israel:
Exo 28:10 Six of their names on one stone, and the other six names of the rest on the other stone, according to their birth.
Exo 28:11 With the work of an engraver in stone
, like the engravings of a signet, shalt thou engrave the two stones with the names of the children of Israel: thou shalt make them to be set in ouches of gold.


9 and~you(ms)~did~TAKE(Verb) (וְלָקַחְתָּ / wê'la'qahh'ta) AT (אֶת / et) TWO (שְׁתֵּי / shê'tey) STONE~s (אַבְנֵי / av'ney) ONYX (שֹׁהַם / sho'ham) and~you(ms)~did~much~OPEN(Verb) (וּפִתַּחְתָּ / u'phi'tahh'ta) UPON~them(m) (עֲלֵיהֶם / a'ley'hem) TITLE~s (שְׁמוֹת / shê'mot) SON~s (בְּנֵי / bê'ney) Yisra'eyl (יִשְׂרָאֵל / yis'ra'eyl)

and you will take the two stones of the onyx, and you will engrave upon them the titles of the sons of Yisra'eyl.

10 SIX (שִׁשָּׁה / shi'shah) from~TITLE~s~them(m) (מִשְּׁמֹתָם / mish'mo'tam) UPON (עַל / al) the~STONE (הָאֶבֶן / ha'e'ven) the~UNIT (הָאֶחָת / ha'e'hhat) and~AT (וְאֶת / wê'et) TITLE~s (שְׁמוֹת / shê'mot) the~SIX (הַשִּׁשָּׁה / ha'shi'shah) the~be~LEAVE.BEHIND(Verb)~ing(mp) (הַנּוֹתָרִים / ha'no'ta'rim) [476] UPON (עַל / al) the~STONE (הָאֶבֶן / ha'e'ven) the~SECOND (הַשֵּׁנִית / ha'shey'nit) like~BIRTHING~s~them(m) (כְּתוֹלְדֹתָם / kê'tol'do'tam) [477]

Six from their titles upon the one stone and the six titles being left behind upon the second stone, like their birthings.

11 WORK (מַעֲשֵׂה / ma'a'seyh) ENGRAVER (חָרַשׁ / hha'rash) STONE (אֶבֶן / e'ven) OPEN(Verb)~ed(mp) (פִּתּוּחֵי / pi'tu'hhey) SEAL (חֹתָם / hho'tam) you(ms)~will~much~OPEN(Verb) (תְּפַתַּח / tê'pha'tahh) AT (אֶת / et) TWO (שְׁתֵּי / shê'tey) the~STONE~s (הָאֲבָנִים / ha'a'va'nim) UPON (עַל / al) TITLE~s (שְׁמֹת / shê'mot) SON~s (בְּנֵי / bê'ney) Yisra'eyl (יִשְׂרָאֵל / yis'ra'eyl) be~make~GO.AROUND(Verb)~ing(fp) (מֻסַבֹּת / mu'sa'bot) PLAIT~s (מִשְׁבְּצוֹת / mish'be'tsot) GOLD (זָהָב / za'hav) you(ms)~will~DO(Verb) (תַּעֲשֶׂה / ta'a'seh) AT~them(m) (אֹתָם / o'tam)

Like the work of a stone engraver, like the carvings of a seal, you will engrave the two stones according to the titles of the sons of Yisra'eyl, you will make them enclosed in plaits of gold,
The Torah: Exodus 28

The original word for engrave is "open"
OPEN(Verb) (פתח / p.t.hh) To open up as opening a gate or door; to have no confining barrier. | Alt. Trans.: engrave (when written in the piel [active intensive] form) | Strong's: #6603, #6605

This stone can not be the Urim or Thummim. Each had 6 names of the tribes of Israel, not 2 letters.
The 12 stones on the breastplate, of which one of those stones was an onyx, each had the name of one of the tribes of Israel. I can't find where the B and Y would mean one of the tribes. And remember--Hebrew is read right to left.
 
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I've read through the article and it is a bit misleading in a way.

On the High Priests vest there were three types of stones

1. There were two, one for each shoulder. In order of birth the names were upon them, six on one and six on the other. They were placed on the shoulder of the HP to show he was carrying all 12 tribes upon his shoulders.
2. There was the Breastplate which had twelve stone attached. They were in 4 rows of three, one for each tribe. There was a different stone for each tribe with their name 'engraved'.
3.The Urim and Thummin which were stored within a pocket in the vest. Some believe these were a white stone and a black stone.
 
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