Star of David is a fraud. Actually it is a Star of Remphan Acts 7:43

[Cockcrow]

Acts 7:43 Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon." This star of David junk is not biblical, there is no star of David cover to cover. this comes up in Churches people will bring in the Remphan Star and say "Oh Israel" and think they are doing something. I know these people are likely brainwashed and deceived not willfully doing it, but it is still harmful and I don't like it.

1 John 2:22 “Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.” Judaism denies the Son, therefore they do not have the Father, they are not worshipping Jesus Christ, they reject the Lord Jesus Christ. if you don't have the Son, you don't have the Father therefore they are worshipping a false god.

We are Christians not Jews, we don't need to be using Jewish symbols or judaizing because remember Galatians 3.

Galatians 3:6-9
6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

 

[PloverWing]

Don't do this. Antisemitism is on the rise, and we Christians need to be careful to avoid contributing to it.

Did the inhabitants of ancient Israel have trouble resisting the polytheism of their neighbors? Yes. The OT prophets and historians talk about this at great length, and the inhabitants of ancient Israel paid for their sins dearly during the exile. Post-exilic Judaism is fiercely monotheistic, and it is both incorrect and insulting to portray modern Jews as polytheistic.

The symbol of the star of David postdates the writing of the Bible, and I don't see how that matters. Many other religious symbols (for example, the Episcopal shield, the Methodist flame, and the Lutheran rose) also postdate the writing of the Bible. That doesn't make any of these things wrong. It just means that religions develop symbols and imagery over time.

Simply say "I disagree with some of the beliefs of Judaism", and stop there.

 

[Der Alte]

Acts 7:43 Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon." This star of David junk is not biblical, there is no star of David cover to cover. this comes up in Churches people will bring in the Remphan Star and say "Oh Israel" and think they are doing something. I know these people are likely brainwashed and deceived not willfully doing it, but it is still harmful and I don't like it.

1 John 2:22 “Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.” Judaism denies the Son, therefore they do not have the Father, they are not worshipping Jesus Christ, they reject the Lord Jesus Christ. if you don't have the Son, you don't have the Father therefore they are worshipping a false god.

We are Christians not Jews, we don't need to be using Jewish symbols or judaizing because remember Galatians 3.

Galatians 3:6-9
6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Nothing there that indicates the shape of the Remphan 'star" it could have had as few as 3 points or as many 7 or more. I would be careful about accusing other Christians with so little evidence. But if that's your thing....

 

[peaceful-forest]

A search on the internet needs to be done to evaluate the claim of the Star of David.

This is what I get when I search for Remphan:

Remphan at DuckDuckGo

DuckDuckGo. Privacy, Simplified.

duckduckgo.com

Presenting facts, especially from the Bible, is not "anti-Semitism". God wants all people saved, whether Jew or Gentile. God does not want anyone practicing sin or defending sin. Nobody should defend sin committed by non-Messianic Jews just because they're "God's people". Christians are also God's people. Should we defend Christians when they sin?

 

[Cockcrow]

Nothing there that indicates the shape of the Remphan 'star" it could have had as few as 3 points or as many 7 or more. I would be careful about accusing other Christians with so little evidence. But if that's your thing....

Star of David is false not biblical. the only Star mentioned in Scripture is star of Remphan, false God. Amos 5:26-27 "But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves. Therefore will I cause you to go into captivity beyond Damascus, saith the LORD, whose name is The God of hosts."

Star of David people are the ones going beyond scripture, they are going extra biblical. Bible never said that David had a star.

 

[Der Alte]

Star of David is false not biblical. the only Star mentioned in Scripture is star of Remphan, false God. Amos 5:26-27 "But ye have borne the tabernacle of your Moloch and Chiun your images, the star of your god, which ye made to yourselves. Therefore will I cause you to go into captivity beyond Damascus, saith the LORD, whose name is The God of hosts."
Star of David people are the ones going beyond scripture, they are going extra biblical. Bible never said that David had a star.

Absence of evidence is NOT evidence of absence. AFAIK the Jews do not use the Magen David as a religious object. I know they have it on their flag.. I have seen some pendants . Since there is nothing that specifically says something about that particular star these virulent objections are anti-Semitic. OTOH if you have something specific I would be glad to see it.

 

[Cockcrow]

Absence of evidence is NOT evidence of absence. AFAIK the Jews do not use the Magen David as a religious object. I know they have it on their flag.. I have seen some pendants . Since there is nothing that specifically says something about that particular star these virulent objections are anti-Semitic. OTOH if you have something specific I would be glad to see it.

if David really did have a star, and God wanted us using a star, he would have said so. but he didn't. it is nowhere in the Bible except where I mentioned about the pagan false gods

 

[honey badger]

Acts 7:43 Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon." This star of David junk is not biblical, there is no star of David cover to cover. this comes up in Churches people will bring in the Remphan Star and say "Oh Israel" and think they are doing something. I know these people are likely brainwashed and deceived not willfully doing it, but it is still harmful and I don't like it.

1 John 2:22 “Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.” Judaism denies the Son, therefore they do not have the Father, they are not worshipping Jesus Christ, they reject the Lord Jesus Christ. if you don't have the Son, you don't have the Father therefore they are worshipping a false god.

We are Christians not Jews, we don't need to be using Jewish symbols or judaizing because remember Galatians 3.

Galatians 3:6-9
6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

the star that fell from heaven is Adam ....

 

[Der Alte]

if David really did have a star, and God wanted us using a star, he would have said so. but he didn't. it is nowhere in the Bible except where I mentioned about the pagan false gods

Where does the Bible prohibit specific emblems, etc from being on shields...

 

[prodromos]

Acts 7:43 Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon." This star of David junk is not biblical, there is no star of David cover to cover. this comes up in Churches people will bring in the Remphan Star and say "Oh Israel" and think they are doing something. I know these people are likely brainwashed and deceived not willfully doing it, but it is still harmful and I don't like it.

1 John 2:22 “Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.” Judaism denies the Son, therefore they do not have the Father, they are not worshipping Jesus Christ, they reject the Lord Jesus Christ. if you don't have the Son, you don't have the Father therefore they are worshipping a false god.

We are Christians not Jews, we don't need to be using Jewish symbols or judaizing because remember Galatians 3.

Galatians 3:6-9
6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

What archaeological evidence do you have that the Remphan star is a six pointed star?

 

[daq]

The Magen David is a star formed with the letter dalet, (or in more ancient times dliy, a water bucket), which looked like a triangle in Paleo Hebrew script. There are two in the name David, the first D and the last D, (it's three letters, dalet, waw/vav, dalet). The star is formed by inverting one dalet and overlaying it over the other dalet.

The Hebrew AlephBet

The Ancient Hebrews believed that the Hebrew AlephBet were the building blocks of creation. The Hebrew alphabet has 22 letters, five of whi...

gleaningsinhebrew.blogspot.com

 

[daq]

This star of David junk is not biblical,

The Uncial (upper case) Greek Delta is essentially the same letter as the Paleo Hebrew letter, (showing that Greek is very ancient and likely borrowed its character set from proto-Hebrew or Phoenician, (not the language but the character set, for writing)). The name David is also a Hebrew word that means beloved, (dowd), and this is likely why when early church scribes began increasing the number of Nomina Sacra in the early Greek Uncial texts they eventually included the name David as a Nomen Sacrum, (you can see this Nomen Sacrum in the first list here). The reason why is passages and statements such as, "This is My beloved Son", which in Hebrew could be yachidi or dowdi, (dowdi being "my beloved", yachidi being something more like, "My only one" in the sense of beloved, as spoken to Abraham in Gen 22:2 where yachid is used). Dowdi is found plentiful times in the Song of Solomon, in the phrase "my beloved", which is really just the single word dowdi, which in turn is the same spelling as the name David with with the yod suffix because it is not the name but the word dowd, which means the same as the name, Beloved. One such passage is the following.

Song of Solomon 2:3-4 YLT
3 As a citron among trees of the forest, So is my beloved [דּוֹדִ֖י, dowdi] among the sons, In his shade I delighted, and sat down, And his fruit is sweet to my palate.
4 He hath brought me in unto a house of wine, And his banner over me is love,

This banner is a flag or standard with an emblem: much the same as a shield with an emblem.
Uh-oh, somebody gonna have alotta splainin to do.

 

[prodromos]

A star led the Magi to worship the one true God

 

[prodromos]

Still waiting for a response. Is there any archaeological evidence linking the Remphan star to the six pointed star of David?

 

[Der Alte]

Still waiting for a response. Is there any archaeological evidence linking the Remphan star to the six pointed star of David?

All I hear are

 

[daq]

All I hear are View attachment 340553

Seeing as how the context is the forty years in the wilderness, perhaps the OP realized that archaeology is never going to unearth a star of David from that time period, and if the OP has realized that, well then, end of thread.

 

[OldAbramBrown]

Don't do this ...

Simply say "I disagree with some of the beliefs of Judaism", and stop there.

Apparently it isn't Judaism and Cockrow painted themself into a corner in another thread by claiming to be a racial replacement theology supporter on weak grounds. We all know that many churches and false ministries are claiming that the six pointed star is a symbol for Jewish and christian religion.

1 - what would they know about its specific importance or lack of
2 - it's neither here nor there, as some of you have pointed out in passing.

To kow tow to those ministries when Cockrow has in this thread not said anything wrong except (badly) in commenting to the second paragraph (see below), is not helpful.

Daq in some posts has given valuable information:

- written checks had to be built in when copying
- Hebrew language (just another language and all language is always changing, among all peoples, as real linguists will confirm) does not properly equate to any version of religion, politics or manipulating of subcultures *

It's the superstitious "ministries" that want to back you and Cockrow into their corner by claiming so.

* I've not accused any of you of belonging to those but some of you made yourselves look naive or blase about such.

 

[OldAbramBrown]

Acts 7:43 Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon." This star of David junk is not biblical, there is no star of David cover to cover. this comes up in Churches people will bring in the Remphan Star and say "Oh Israel" and think they are doing something. I know these people are likely brainwashed and deceived not willfully doing it, but it is still harmful and I don't like it.

1 John 2:22 “Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.” Judaism denies the Son, therefore they do not have the Father, they are not worshipping Jesus Christ, they reject the Lord Jesus Christ. if you don't have the Son, you don't have the Father therefore they are worshipping a false god.

We are Christians not Jews, we don't need to be using Jewish symbols or judaizing because remember Galatians 3.

First para:

While we don't know which star was which (though some axe-grinders on all sides may have equated them in more recent times) you have rightly not accused Jews here but the superstition-mongering "ministries". I think it's dishonest of some posters to call distrust of superstitious "ministries" a hate offence, negating any good point they may have thought they wanted to make. (See further my 20 below.)

Second para:

- There is not "Judaism". There are trends and levels within "it". Basically it predicts the Son except nominally for those who throw away most of the Old Testament and even they don't reject Him on grounds offered to them by some forebears honestly.
- The god of many (a lot) of them isn't false, their worship is imperfect or false, depending on individual factors, same with "christians"
- We all have to see that the Son has come, and brought Holy Spirit (Whom you don't mention), during our own personal current lives, not only one group.
- Given that there is a group of "judaisms", it doesn't equate to any attitude on any issue, nor racial descent, nor nation state, nor politics in the wider world or any specific country. The superstition mongers in the Levant and the continuing diaspora, among christian churches and other sects, are the dishonest ones stirring up this strife (look at the despicable gambits of certain politicians)
- Use impeccable logic to guard yourself from straying sometimes (inconsistently and on shallow grounds) into this

Third para:

Judaizing means applying legalism which the stirrers I have identified (and whom you didn't identify sharply, because you switched your target from one paragraph to another) are doing. Those who claimed to argue carelessly against your sometimes unclarity aren't going to marshall me into the arms of those devourers of lives (I have come across similar and I know what I am talking about). The faults are promoted by people of all races and pretend sectarian affiliation.

If you equate star or a letter of the alphabet with whom someone else says you should identify it with, you can't call them onto a plane exposing their bad logic or helping them to attain better. Those sects actually want you to be as sloppy about this as your opponents because that is how they count on their conflict being spread. That is why I know what everyone means (unless they don't mean it) and am saying it better.

 

[OldAbramBrown]

The entry of people of all races including Jewish, into Christ's kingdom, during their lives and as gift to those around them who come after them of any race, has continued apace and continues, since before Christ. Many people between then and now, of Jewish descent as well as of gentile (and mostly a mixture of both), helped pass the christian faith onto me as well as my bodily life. Paul is arguing against gentiles who claim better racially based spiritual privilege than the Jews. All enmity was engineered by the Roman Empire towards 70 and especially 130 AD. Herod and Pilate agreed: Herod was an Edomite of uncertain conversion, both were greasy pole climbers.

Jesus in the incident with the dogs-and-crumbs Phoenician woman was challenging her to revolt against the racial caste system in religion because He discerned that she knew she would be right to do so. St Paul says "let each one be convinced in their own individual mind". Jesus doesn't smack us with a book of rules but He discerns us.

The history related in the Bible itself explains that Abraham was part Amorite and part Hittite; that the twelve tribes were of largely gentile ancestry; that the ten tribes were partly absorbed by the two as well as partly dispersed; that also the two tribes were in diaspora from at least since that. This is nothing essentially different from the Irish and Welsh in diaspora for over 2,000 years, English for not much less, peoples of India and Iran and south-east Asia and Americas for roughly the same or more. People have always moved around and none - none whatsoever - are "master races" as to religion or any other walk (because charisms are incidental and not essence). With or without ostensibly preserving and exchanging features (surface or profound) of any religion or language (as comparative students see). To which we are not bound by the real God (whatever denominational label He bears). Secular geopolitics - so far as we can see - is "biblical fulfilment" in the general sense of "plus ca change". Of course we are to look for signs of the times without burdening anyone.

 

[OldAbramBrown]

In Ac 7 Stephen is quoting Amos 5 addressed to the authorities in the time of Uzziah and Jeroboam II. In Amos God is applying the metaphorical meaning of the star to people at risk of being put into displacement and spiritual exile from their true spiritual ground: something all the churches have needed to be warned of countless times since and so that those addressed by Stephen could learn from it too (which many of their descendents as well as many gentiles, over centuries, have accepted).

This fact far from in any way strengthening the plan of supersition-mongers to insinuate their connotations into our subculture doesn't go so far as to negate the OP's argument on this point. The skipping, skimming and inconsistent arguing from "both sides" doesn't help us extricate ourselves from those superstitions.

It is complicated because it is complicated. Anyone who wants to glaze over should do so away from me. I was given a brain by God. It's for not only Cockrow but the rest of you also, to confirm or deny whether I have construed you "correctly".