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Sins of the prophet Muhammad

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Note: I did post a major part of this in another thread, but posted it here for a greater visibility. The alleged sins of Muhammad that were answered are now marked with + and include a brief explanation.

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Muslims don't hold Muhammad in the same reverance as the Christians hold Jesus (i.e. as the Son of God and even God himself), but they revere Muhammad as a moral ideal and a role model of virtue as much as Christians see Jesus this way. Most non-Muslim people who are acquainted with the details of Muhammad's life (both from Muslim scriptures and historical sources) can't help but wonder what the Muslims see in their prophet. As I stated in another thread, it still seems to me that most Muslims live lives much better than their prophet. My standard of evaluation is the Golden Rule which I see as the starting point of any inter-faith dialogue and appears in some Muslim writings, as well as writings of many other religions.

"None of you [truly] believes until he wishes for his brother what he wishes for himself." (Number 13 of Imam "Al-Nawawi's Forty Hadiths.")

"Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets." (Matthew 7:12)

If we ask ourselves did Muhammad practice the Golden Rule, I think the answer is an obvious no. Would Muslims disagree? Conversely, would Muslims deny that Jesus practiced the Golden Rule? How do we explain the disagreement between Muslims and Christians in their views of Muhammad? Is it that we have different moral standards? Is it that Muslims don't believe in universal brotherhood of all people, and therefore interpret the Golden Rule to apply only to those who believe the same as they? Is it that most Muslims don't know much about their prophet whom they idealize?

If any Muslims care to answer, I'd appreciate it.

Here's a list the the alleged sins of Muhammad with verses from Muslim scriptures and other writings.

+Qur'an itself refers to Muhammad's sins: these verses may refer not to Muhammad but to people in general.

-The sahih ahadith refers to Muhammad as a sinner:

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: The Prophet used to invoke Allah at night, saying, "O Allah: All the Praises are for You: You are the Lord of the Heavens and the Earth. All the Praises are for You; You are the Maintainer of the Heaven and the Earth and whatever is in them. All the Praises are for You; You are the Light of the Heavens and the Earth. Your Word is the Truth, and Your Promise is the Truth, and the Meeting with You is the Truth, and Paradise is the Truth, and the (Hell) Fire is the Truth, and the Hour is the Truth. O Allah! I surrender myself to You, and I believe in You and I depend upon You, and I repent to You and with You (Your evidences) I stand against my opponents, and to you I leave the judgment (for those who refuse my message). O Allah! Forgive me my sins that I did in the past or will do in the future, and also the sins I did in secret or in public. You are my only God (Whom I worship) and there is no other God for me." Sahih al-Bukhari Volume 9, Book 93, Number 482

-Muhammad believed in an eternal hell of physical torture:

Qur’an 4:55 “Sufficient for them is Hell and the Flaming Fire! Those [Jews] who disbelieve Our Revelations shall be cast into Hell. When their skin is burnt up and singed, We shall give them a new coat that they may go on tasting the agony of punishment.”

-Muhammad practised terrorism (excessive violence towards the defeated enemies): in the first verse Allah commands his angels to terrorize the infidels. However, the other verses are commands to Muslims.

Qur’an 8:12 “I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.”

Qur’an 8:57 “If you gain mastery over them in battle, inflict such a defeat as would terrorize them, so that they would learn a lesson and be warned.”

Ishaq:326 “If you come upon them, deal so forcibly as to terrify those who would follow, that they may be warned. Make a severe example of them by terrorizing Allah’s enemies.”

-Muhammad encouraged warfare (even for no other reason than the difference in religion):

Qu'ran 2:216: 'Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that you hate a thing which is good for you and it may happen that you love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, you knew not.'

Qu'ran 2:217: 'They question you (O Mohammed) with regard to warfare in the sacred month. Say: Warfare therein is a great transgression but to turn men from the way of Allah and to disbelieve in Him and the inviolable place of worship and to expel its people thence is a greater transgression, for persecution is worse than killing'

Qu'ran 8:65: 'O Prophet exhort the believers to fight. If there be of you 20 steadfast, they will overcome 200 and if there be of you a 100, they shall overcome a 1000, because the disbelievers are a folk without intelligence'.

Qu'ran 8:67-68: 'It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. You desire the lure of this world and Allah desires for you the hereafter and Allah is Mighty, Wise.. Now enjoy what you have won as lawful and good and keep your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is forgiving, merciful.'

-Muhammad encouraged torture: Bookofknowledge vbmenu_register("postmenu_13985648", true); answered this one in a manner, stating that this is a just punishment for those who break treaties with Muslims. However, I'm not convinced that there's ever an excuse for torture, in the times past or present.

Qur’an 9:5 “When the sacred forbidden months for fighting are past, fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

Qur’an 5:33 “The punishment for those who wage war against Allah and His Prophet and make mischief in the land, is to murder them, crucify them, or cut off a hand and foot on opposite sides...their doom is dreadful. They will not escape the fire, suffering constantly.”

+Muhammad commanded the killing of Jews: these verses from Sunan of Abu Dawud are considered fabricated by Muslim scholars.

+Muhammad reviled the gods of the pagan Arabs, but approved the killing of people who criticized him: Muslim scholars consider this also forged.

+Moreover, by the Shari'a law, the modern Muslims are commanded to do the same: Islam approves the freedom of speech according to understanding of some Muslims (although I must say I don't see if this freedom is much practiced in Muslim countries).

-Muhammad attacked caravans and robbed them:

"Hamza went out to intercept the caravan of the Quraish which had come from Syria making for Makka." (Ibn Sa'd: The Wars of the Prophet)

Qur’an 8:69: “So enjoy what you took as booty; the spoils are lawful and good.”

"The Muslims had succeeded to ally themselves with several tribes on the trade routes that lay to the north of Medina. As a result the Koraysh caravans were now forced to journey northwards through the practically waterless and desolate desert known as the Najd, and so, it was for this reason the Koraysh caravans had all but ceased to travel northwards during the hot summer months. As the cooler months of early autumn approached the Koraysh made plans for a northward bound caravan to Iraq. They were anxious on account of their delayed trading to sell their silver ornaments, ingots and utensils so it was decided that Safwan should lead the richly laden caravan through the Najd onto Iraq to trade their wares. One day, an Ansar happened to overhear some Jews mentioning Safwan's caravan and went straight to the Prophet (sa) to report the matter. When the Prophet (sa) heard the news he appointed Zayd, with a hundred horsemen under his command, to ride onto the water hole of Karadah and lay in wait for the caravan. At Karadah, Zayd put Safwan and his men to flight and returned in triumph to Medina with not only the silver merchandise but camels and several captives." (Grand Shaykh, Professor Hasan Qaribullah: THE MILLENNIUM BIOGRAPHY OF MUHAMMAD THE PROPHET OF ALLAH)

"News reached Medina that a richly laden Koraysh caravan was homeward bound from Syria. When the Prophet (sa) learned of the news he placed Zayd in command of a cavalry of one hundred and seventy and sent them after it. The expedition was successful and the Koraysh merchandise confiscated, including silver that belonged to Safwan." (Grand Shaykh, Professor Hasan Qaribullah: THE MILLENNIUM BIOGRAPHY OF MUHAMMAD THE PROPHET OF ALLAH)

+Muhammad was a kidnapper: Ishaq is not a haddith book.

+Muhammad justified the breaking of oaths: if oaths are bad, they are ok to be broken. I.e. if I make an oath to do something bad to someone, I will do better if I break an oath and repent, than if I keep my oath. (I leave the verse for clarity).

Bukhari:V7B67N427 “The Prophet said, ‘If I take an oath and later find something else better than that, then I do what is better and expiate my oath.’”

-Muhammad justified the breaking of oaths to non-Muslims:

Qur’an 9:3 “Allah is not bound by any contract or treaty with non-Muslims, nor is His Apostle.”

-Muhammad approved and practiced slavery:

Qu-ran 33:50: "Prophet, We have made lawful to you the wives to whom you have granted dowries and the slave girls whom God has given you as booty."

Sahih Bukhari Vol. 3-#765: Narrated Kuraib: the freed slave of Ibn 'Abbas, that Maimuna bint Al-Harith told him that she manumitted a slave-girl without taking the permission of the Prophet. On the day when it was her turn to be with the Prophet, she said, "Do you know, O Allah's Apostle, that I have manumitted my slave-girl?" He said, "Have you really?" She replied in the affirmative. He said, "You would have got more reward if you had given her (i.e. the slave-girl) to one of your maternal uncles."

-Muhammad approved the rape of female prisoners:

Sahih Bukhari Vol. 7-#137 Narrated Abu al-Khudri: "We got female captives in the war booty and we used to do coitus interruptus with them. So we asked Allah's messenger about it and he said, "Do you really do that?" repeating the question thrice, "There is no soul that is destined to exist but will come into existence, till the Day of Resurrection.""

+Muhammad preached that a man should have up to 4 wives and should treat them fairly, although he himself had more than 4 wives and didn't treat them fairly: Muhammad was a special case: he had several wives as a man, several more wives as a prophet, several more wives as a leader of Arabia.

+Muhammad had sexual relations with a girl only 9 years old: some think Aisha was 18 years old when married, while others say it was normal at that time (Aisha's parents gave her to Muhammad), and that it even happens in the modern day.

+It seems that Aisha herself noticed how Muhammad seemed to be controlling Allah and not the other way around. Aisha may had a wrong perception of how the things were.
 

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May I ask why you posted this seperately although it is in your other strange thread ?

Muslims revere Prophet Muhammad more than any other prophet , because he is Gods Final Messenger Whom was trusted with conveying Gods Final Book to all human beings

Look what God says in regard to Jesus PBUH in chpter #4 :-

171. O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor say of Allâh aught but the truth. The Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), was (no more than) a Messenger of Allâh and His Word, ("Be!" - and he was) which He bestowed on Maryam (Mary) and a spirit (Rûh) created by Him; so believe in Allâh and His Messengers. Say not: "Three (trinity)!" Cease! (it is) better for you. For Allâh is (the only) One Ilâh (God), Glory be to Him (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allâh is All*Sufficient as a Disposer of affairs.

172. The Messiah will never be proud to reject to be a slave to Allâh, nor the angels who are near (to Allâh). And whosoever rejects His worship and is proud, then He will gather them all together unto Himself.


As for your alleged sins : may I ask you on what basis do you consider them sins knowing that you copied them from authentic Islamic sources ?
does it make any sense that they are recorded there although they are "sins" ?
 
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You already posted this on another thread. Where are all the ranters to come and rant at you for posting things over and over and over again?

Or are christians allowed to post negative things about Islam ad nasuem verbatum?

I would also like to point out the utter irony of the situation that is being set up here. Christians are allowed to start threads that bash Islam, but Muslims are not allowed to start threads that say anything positive about our faith.
 
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To me Prophet Muhammad and Jesus Christ both reflected the attributes of God and carried out the mission that God had for Them.

Recall the Gospel:

And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.

Luke 18:18-27

It does not mean that Jesus sinned, but that God is Good and in the same way in the Qur'an:

"That Allah may forgive thee of thy sin that which is past and that which is to come, and may perfect His favour unto thee, and may guide thee on a right path"

(Sura al-Fat.h 48:2)

Means that God is a forgiving God.

The life of Prophet Muhammad has been maligned over the centuries by prejudiced souls caught up in the wars of the Crusades and later conflicts in my opinion.

- Art
 
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rahma said:
I would also like to point out the utter irony of the situation that is being set up here. Christians are allowed to start threads that bash Islam, but Muslims are not allowed to start threads that say anything positive about our faith.

Well, this is a Christian forum.

That said, I'm always suspect of attacks on the Qu'ran. I've debated many godless atheists who make wild claims about the Bible. But upon closer examination, these claims turn out to be a reflection of their godlessness rather than honest criticism. So I don't know about all this.
 
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As for your alleged sins : may I ask you on what basis do you consider them sins knowing that you copied them from authentic Islamic sources ?
does it make any sense that they are recorded there although they are "sins" ?

Just because something is in Qu'ran, I don't automatically assume that it's not a sin. If you reply to read a little the Old Testament of the Bible, my reply is that I don't take everything for granted just because it is in the Bible. Some Christian scholars practice historical-critical method of interpretting the Bible. Do Muslim scholars practice something similar?
Even if you don't consider all of these sins because Muhammad did them, would you consider yourself sinless if you did the same things?

I don't know about others, but if Jesus did everything that Muhammad did, I know that I wouldn't consider him a good role-model.

That being said, do you think that Muhammad did practice the Golden Rule? If no one answers this, don't be surprised if I put it in another thread. :)
 
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perhaps you should first read the refutation to the lies against Muhammad before you make a judgement about him.

When you read his true nature you will come to the same conclusion that other non muslim historians have come to:
You Must Know This Man
Muhammad (pbuh)
The Ideal Prophet



"Every Prophet of Allah came to this world as a witness, or aharbinger of good tidings, or as a warner, or as a summonner, but never in the past there came a prophet who combined all these qualities. There were witnesses to Allah's majesty and, overlordship, like Jacob, Issac and Ishmael. Others like Abraham and Jesus were the heralds of glad tidings. There were also warners like Noah, Hud, and Shu'yeb, the main point of their warnings was terrible punishment awating the evil-doers. Then, there were the prophets like Joseph and Jonah whose teachings set the tone for those who summon to divine guidance. But the messenger par excellence who had all these marks of prophethood - a witness as well as a welcomer, a warner as well as a caller and who was a distinguished Apostle in every aspect was none other than Saidina Muhammad (pbuh). He was sent to be sent to the world as the last Prophet, the final one, after whom no other messenger was to be sent again by Allah. This is the reason why he was granted a shari'ah or the law that was perfect and final requiring no revision in the days to come.

For the teaching of the last Prophet were to be everbinding, to remain unchanged to the end of time, he was sent as a acme of perfection with over-flowing guidance and resplendent light. This is an indisputable fact attested by history."

-SAYID SULAIMAN NADWI in Muhammad The Ideal Prophet.




The non-Muslim verdict on Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)


K.S Ramakrishna Rao, an Indian Professor of Philosophy in his booklet, ("Muhammad, The Prophet of Islam") calls him the:

"Perfect model for human life."

Prof. Ramakrishna Rao explains his point by saying:

"The personality of Muhammad (pbuh), it is most difficult to get into the whole truth of it. Only a glimpse of it can I catch. What a dramatic succession of picturesque scenes! There is Muhammad (pbuh), the Prophet. There is Muhammad (pbuh), the Warrior, Muhammad (pbuh), the Businessman; Muhammad (pbuh), the Statesman; Muhammad (pbuh), the Orator; Muhammad (pbuh), the Reformer; Muhammad (pbuh), the Protector of Slaves; Muhammad (pbuh), the Emancipator of Women; Muhammad (pbuh), the Judge; Muhammad (pbuh), the Saint. All in all these magnificent roles, in all these departments of human activities, he is like a hero."

Michael Hart in "The 100, A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in the History," New York, 1978., p. 33

"My choice of Muhammad (pbuh) to lead the list of world's most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in the history who was supremely successful on both the secular and religious level. It is probable that the relative influence of Islam has been larger than the combined influence of Jesus Christ and St. Paul on Christianity. It is this unparalleled combination of the secular and religious influence which I feel entitles Muhammad (pbuh) to be considered to be the most influential single figure in human history."

M.K Gandhi, statement published in "Young India," 1924

I wanted to know the best of the life of one who holds today an undisputed sway over the hearts of millions of mankind..........I became more than ever convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in the scheme of life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the Prophet, the scrupulous regard for pledges, his intense devotion to his friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and his mission.

These and not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted every obstacle. When I closed the second volume (of the Prophet's biography), I was sorry there was no more for me to read of that great life."

THOMAS CALYLE in his HEROES AND HEROWORSHIP, was simply amazed as to:

"how one man single-handedly, could weld warring tribes and wandering Bedouins into a most powerful and civilized nation in less than two decades."

Sir Bernard Shaw in "THE GENUINE ISLAM, Singapore, Vol. 1, No. 8, 1936"

"If any religion had the chance of ruling over England, nay Europe within the next hundred years, it would be Islam."

"I have always held the religion of Muhammad (pbuh) in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion, which appears to me to possess that assimilation capacity to the changing phase of existence, which can make itself appeal in every age. I have studied him (Muhammad (pbuh)) - the wonderful man and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the savior of humanity."

"I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness: I have prophesized about the faith in Muhammad (pbuh) that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe today."

Sir Bernard Shaw said about him:

He was by far the most remarkable man that ever set foot on this earth. He preached a religion, founded a state, built a nation, laid down a moral code, initiated numerous social and political reforms, established a powerful and dynamic society to practice and represent his teachings and completely revolutionized the worlds of human thought and behavior for all times to come.

EDWARD GIBBON and SIMON OCKLEY speaking on the profession of ISLAM write:

"'I BELIEVE IN ONE GOD, AND MAHOMET, AN APOSTLE OF GOD' is the simple and invariable profession of Islam. The intellectual image of the Deity has never been degraded by any visible idol; the honor of the Prophet has never transgressed the measure of human virtues; and his living precepts have restrained the gratitude of his disciples within the bounds of reason and religion."
(HISTORY OF THE SARACEN EMPIRES, London, 1870, p. 54)

Alfonso de Lamartine, the renowned historian speaking on the essentials of human greatness wonders:

"Never has a man set for himself, voluntarily or involuntarily, a more sublime aim, since this aim was superhuman; to subvert superstitions which had been imposed between man and his Creator, to render God unto man and man unto God; to restore the rational and sacred idea of divinity amidst the chaos of the material and disfigured gods of idolatry, then existing. Never has a man undertaken a work so far beyond human power with so feeble means, for he (Muhammad (pbuh)) has in conception as well as in execution of such a great design, no other instrument than himself and no other aid except a handful of men living in a corner of the desert. Finally, never has a man accomplished such a huge and lasting revolution in the world, because in less than two centuries after its appearance, Islam, in faith and in arms reigned over the whole of Arabia, and conquered, in God's name, Persia, Khorasan, Transoxania, Western India, Syria, Egypt, Abyssina, all the known parts of Northern Africa, numerous islands of the Mediterranean Sea, Spain, and part of Gaul."

"If greatness of purpose, smallness of means and astounding results are the three criteria of human genius, who could dare to compare any great man in modern history with Muhammad? The most famous men created arms, laws and empires only. They founded, if anything at all, no more than material powers which often crumbled away before their eyes. This man moved not only armies, legislation, empires, peoples and dynasties, but millions of men in one-third of the then inhabited world; and more than that, he moved the altars, the gods, the religions, the ideas, the beliefs and souls....his forbearance in victory, his ambition, which was entirely devoted to one idea and in no manner striving for an empire; his endless prayers, his mystic conversations with God, his death and his triumph after death; all these attest not to an imposture but to a firm conviction which gave him the power to restore a dogma. This dogma was two-fold, the unity of God and the immateriality of God; the former telling what God is, the latter telling what God is not; the one overthrowing false gods with the sword, the other starting an idea with the words.

"Philosopher, orator, apostle, legislator, warrior, conqueror of ideas, restorer of rational dogmas, of a cult without images, the founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire, that is MUHAMMAD. As regards all the standards by which Human Greatness may be measured, we may well ask, IS THERE ANY MAN GREATER THAN HE?"
(Alfonso de Lamartine, HISTOIRE DE LA TURQUIE, Paris, 1854, Vol.II, pp 276-277)

Dr. Gustav Well in "History of Islamic Peoples."

"Muhammad was a shining example to his people. His character was pure and stainless. His house, his dress, his food - they were characterized by a rare simplicity. So unpretentious was he that he would receive from his companions no special mark of reverence, nor would he accept any service from his slave which he could do for himself. He was acceptable to all and at all times. He visited the sick and was full of sympathy for all. Unlimited was his benevolence and generosity as also was his anxious care for the welfare of the community."

J.W.H. Stab in "Islam and its founder"

"Judged by the smallness of means at his disposal, and the extent and permanence of the work he accomplished, his name in world's history shines with a more specious lustre than that of the Prophet of Makkah. To the impulse which he gave numberless dynasties have owed their existence, fair cities and stately places and temples have arisen, and wide provinces became obedient to the faith. And beyond all this, his words have governed the belief of generations, been accepted as their rule of life, and their certain guide to the world to come. At thousand shrines the voices of the faithful invoke blessings on him, whom they esteem the very Prophet of God, the seal of the Apostles...

Judged by the standards to human renown, the glory of what mortal can compare with this?"


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Islam is a religion that is essentially rationalistic in the wildest sense of this term considered etymologically and historically...the teaching of the Prophet, the Quran has invariably kept its place as the fundamental starting point, and the dogma of unity of God has always been proclaimed therein with a grandeur of majesty, and invariable purity and with note of sure conviction, which it is hard to find surpassed outside the pale of Islam...A creed so precise, so stripped of all theological complexities and consequently so accessible to the ordinary outstanding might be expected to posses and does indeed possess a marvelous power of winning its way into the consciences of men."
"La propagnde Chretienne et ses Adversaries Musulmans," Paris 1890.(Also in T.W.Arnoldin " The Preaching of Islam," London 1913.)

Arthur Glyn Leonard in "Islam, her Moral and Spiritual values."

"It was a genius of Muhammad, the spirit that he breathed into the Arabs through the soul of Islam that exalted the. That raised them out of the lethargy and low level of tribal stagnation up to the watermark of national unity and empire. It was in the sublimity of Mohammed's deism, the simplicity, the sobriety and purity it inculcated the fidelity of its founder to its own tenets, that acted on their moral and intellectual fiber with all magnetism of inspiration."

Speaking on the subject of equality before God in Islam, the famous poetess of India, SAROJINI NAIDU says:

"It was the first religion that preached and practiced democracy; for, in the mosque when the call for prayer is sounded and worshipers are gathered together, democracy of Islam is embodied five times a day when the peasant and king kneel side by side and proclaim; "God Alone is Great" ... I have been struck over and over again by this invisible unity of Islam that makes man instinctively a brother."
(S. Naidu, IDEALS OF ISLAM, vide Speeches & Writings, Madras, 1918, p. 169)

Lane Poole

He was the most faithful protector, the Sweetest and most agreeable in conversation. Those who saw him were suddenly filled with reverence, those who came near him loved him; they who described him would say, "I have never seen his like either before or after." He was of great taciturnity, but when he spoke it was with emphasis and deliberation, and no one could forget what he said ...
in 'Speeches and Table Talk of the Prophet Muhammad'

Professor Jules Masserman:

"People like Pasteur and Salk are leaders in the first sense. People like Gandhi and Confucius, on one hand, and Alexander, Caesar and Hitler on the other, are leaders in the second and perhaps the third sense. Jesus and Buddha belong in the third category alone. Perhaps the greatest leader of all times was Mohammed, who combined all three functions. To a lesser degree, Moses did the same."

Diwan Chand Sharma says:

"Muhammad was the soul of kindness, and his influence was felt and never forgotten by those around him."
(D.C. Sharma, The Prophets of the East, Calcutta 1935, page 122)

John William Draper, M.D., L.L.D.:

"Four years after the death of Justinian, A.D. 569, was born at Mecca, in Arabia the man who, of all men exercised the greatest influence upon the human race . . . Mohammed . . ."
A History of the Intellectual Development of Europe, London 1875, Vol. 1, pp. 329-330

John Austin, "Muhammad the Prophet of Allah," in T.P.'s and Cassel's Weekly for 24th September 1927:

"In little more than a year he was actually the spiritual, nominal and temporal rule of Medina, with his hands on the lever that was to shake the world."

In the words of PROF. HURGRONJE:

"The league of nations founded by the prophet of Islam put the principle of international unity and human brotherhood on such universal foundations as to show candle to other nations." He continues: "The fact is that no nation of the world can show a parallel to what Islam has done towards the realization of the idea of the League of Nations."

Annie Besant:

"It is impossible for anyone who studies the life and character of the great prophet of Arabia, who knows how he taught and how he lived, to feel anything but reverence for that mighty Prophet, one of the great messengers of the Supreme. And although in what I put to you I shall say many things which may be familiar to many, yet I myself feel whenever I re-read them, a new way of admiration, a new of reverence for that mighty Arabian teacher."
The Life and Teachings of Muhammad, Madras 1932, page 4

Encyclopedia Britannica:

"Muhammad is the most successful of all Prophets and religious personalities."

Encyclopedia Britannica further confirms:

"....a mass of detail in the early sources show that he was an honest and upright man who had gained the respect and loyalty of others who were like-wise honest and upright men." (Vol. 12)

Rev. R. Bosworth-Smith in "Mohammed and Mohammedanism 1946:"

"By a fortune absolutely unique in history, Mohammed is a threefold founder of a nation, of an empire, and of a religion."

Rev. R. Bosworth-Smith:

"Head of the State as well as the Church, he was Caesar and Pope in one; but, he was Pope without the Pope's pretensions, and Caesar without the legions of Caesar, without a standing army, without a bodyguard, without a police force, without a fixed revenue. If ever a man had the right to say that he ruled by a right divine, it was Muhammad, for he had all the powers without their supports. He cared not for the dressings of power. The simplicity of his private life was in keeping with his public life."

So this is what people WHO HAVE KNOWLEDGE SAY ABOUT HIM.

I am not concerned with the opinion of those who repeat the false accusations against him.

So do read the refutations to the lies. And have respect for the beliefs of any human being in the future.

It's what Christ would want.

May God help us to unite.
 
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rasul said:
Just because something is in Qu'ran, I don't automatically assume that it's not a sin. If you reply to read a little the Old Testament of the Bible, my reply is that I don't take everything for granted just because it is in the Bible. Some Christian scholars practice historical-critical method of interpretting the Bible. Do Muslim scholars practice something similar?
Even if you don't consider all of these sins because Muhammad did them, would you consider yourself sinless if you did the same things?

I don't know about others, but if Jesus did everything that Muhammad did, I know that I wouldn't consider him a good role-model.

That being said, do you think that Muhammad did practice the Golden Rule? If no one answers this, don't be surprised if I put it in another thread. :)

What is the matter with the people don't they use common sense

Find out what people of mecca used to call (titles) Prophet Muhammad (SAW) before He started preaching...

What will make you understand -- don't you think the one who brought the message of Allah who ask people to seek forgiveness will not seek forgiveness of his Rabb and obey what what has been revealed to Him by Allah

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seek forgiveness of your Rabb and turn to Him in repentance; for my Rabb is
indeed Merciful, Affectionate."

Al-Tirmidhi Hadith Number 1456 - Narrated AbuHurayrah

Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) said, "Everyone who dies will repent." He was asked the nature of their repentance and replied, "If one did what was good he will repent of not having done more, and if one did evil he will repent of not having restrained himself."

Tirmidhi transmitted it.
 
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Sahih Al Bukhari Volume 9 Number 482 - Narrated Ibn Abbas

The Prophet used to invoke Allah at night, saying, "O Allah: All the Praises are for You: You are the Lord of the Heavens and the Earth. All the Praises are for You; You are the Maintainer of the Heaven and the Earth and whatever is in them. All the Praises are for You; You are the Light of the Heavens and the Earth. Your Word is the Truth, and Your Promise is the Truth, and the Meeting with You is the Truth, and Paradise is the Truth, and the (Hell) Fire is the Truth, and the Hour is the Truth. O Allah! I surrender myself to You, and I believe in You and I depend upon You, and I repent to You and with You (Your evidences) I stand against my opponents, and to You I leave the judgment (for those who refuse my message). O Allah! Forgive me my sins that I did in the past or will do in the future, and also the sins I did in secret or in public. You are my only God (Whom I worship) and there is no other God for me (i.e. I worship none but You)."





Any person who acknowledge

O Allah All the Praises are for You: You are the Lord of the Heavens and the Earth. You are the Maintainer of the Heaven and the Earth and whatever is in them, You are the Light of the Heavens and the Earth, Your Word is the Truth, Your Promise is the Truth, Paradise is the Truth, the (Hell) Fire is the Truth, the Hour is the Truth…

How can you assume the one who surrender himself and acknowledge the power and mercy of creator will not bow down and humble him-self in front of the Creator who revealed what has never been revealed and what was revealed in the previous scriptures?

A true Muslims repent when he/she reads the verses of repentance in Qur’aan similarly A Muslims glorifies Allah when he/she reads the verses which reveals the glory of Allah yet again Allah show the sign of a Muslim who bow down and prostrates when he/she reads the verses which tells to prostrate in front of Allah

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O believers! Bow down, prostrate yourselves, worship your Rabb and do good deeds so that you may attain salvation.
 
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slamjam said:
Let us keep the discussion objectiove and abstain from posting fiction literature.

I don't come here for such entertainment, which I also find very insulting and would greatly appreciate it if vedickings would kindly remove the post.

Hi slamjam. :wave:

I hope theirs no hard feels.

peace
 
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rasul said:
Note: I did post a major part of this in another thread, but posted it here for a greater visibility. The alleged sins of Muhammad that were answered are now marked with + and include a brief explanation.

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Muslims don't hold Muhammad in the same reverance as the Christians hold Jesus (i.e. as the Son of God and even God himself), but they revere Muhammad as a moral ideal and a role model of virtue as much as Christians see Jesus this way. Most non-Muslim people who are acquainted with the details of Muhammad's life (both from Muslim scriptures and historical sources) can't help but wonder what the Muslims see in their prophet. As I stated in another thread, it still seems to me that most Muslims live lives much better than their prophet. My standard of evaluation is the Golden Rule which I see as the starting point of any inter-faith dialogue and appears in some Muslim writings, as well as writings of many other religions.

"None of you [truly] believes until he wishes for his brother what he wishes for himself." (Number 13 of Imam "Al-Nawawi's Forty Hadiths.")

"Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets." (Matthew 7:12)

If we ask ourselves did Muhammad practice the Golden Rule, I think the answer is an obvious no. Would Muslims disagree? Conversely, would Muslims deny that Jesus practiced the Golden Rule? How do we explain the disagreement between Muslims and Christians in their views of Muhammad? Is it that we have different moral standards? Is it that Muslims don't believe in universal brotherhood of all people, and therefore interpret the Golden Rule to apply only to those who believe the same as they? Is it that most Muslims don't know much about their prophet whom they idealize?

If any Muslims care to answer, I'd appreciate it.

Here's a list the the alleged sins of Muhammad with verses from Muslim scriptures and other writings.

+Qur'an itself refers to Muhammad's sins: these verses may refer not to Muhammad but to people in general.

-The sahih ahadith refers to Muhammad as a sinner:

Narrated Ibn 'Abbas: The Prophet used to invoke Allah at night, saying, "O Allah: All the Praises are for You: You are the Lord of the Heavens and the Earth. All the Praises are for You; You are the Maintainer of the Heaven and the Earth and whatever is in them. All the Praises are for You; You are the Light of the Heavens and the Earth. Your Word is the Truth, and Your Promise is the Truth, and the Meeting with You is the Truth, and Paradise is the Truth, and the (Hell) Fire is the Truth, and the Hour is the Truth. O Allah! I surrender myself to You, and I believe in You and I depend upon You, and I repent to You and with You (Your evidences) I stand against my opponents, and to you I leave the judgment (for those who refuse my message). O Allah! Forgive me my sins that I did in the past or will do in the future, and also the sins I did in secret or in public. You are my only God (Whom I worship) and there is no other God for me." Sahih al-Bukhari Volume 9, Book 93, Number 482

-Muhammad believed in an eternal hell of physical torture:

Qur’an 4:55 “Sufficient for them is Hell and the Flaming Fire! Those [Jews] who disbelieve Our Revelations shall be cast into Hell. When their skin is burnt up and singed, We shall give them a new coat that they may go on tasting the agony of punishment.”

-Muhammad practised terrorism (excessive violence towards the defeated enemies):

Qur’an 8:12 “I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.”

Qur’an 8:57 “If you gain mastery over them in battle, inflict such a defeat as would terrorize them, so that they would learn a lesson and be warned.”

Ishaq:326 “If you come upon them, deal so forcibly as to terrify those who would follow, that they may be warned. Make a severe example of them by terrorizing Allah’s enemies.”

-Muhammad encouraged warfare (even for no other reason than the difference in religion):

Qu'ran 2:216: 'Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that you hate a thing which is good for you and it may happen that you love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, you knew not.'

Qu'ran 2:217: 'They question you (O Mohammed) with regard to warfare in the sacred month. Say: Warfare therein is a great transgression but to turn men from the way of Allah and to disbelieve in Him and the inviolable place of worship and to expel its people thence is a greater transgression, for persecution is worse than killing'

Qu'ran 8:65: 'O Prophet exhort the believers to fight. If there be of you 20 steadfast, they will overcome 200 and if there be of you a 100, they shall overcome a 1000, because the disbelievers are a folk without intelligence'.

Qu'ran 8:67-68: 'It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. You desire the lure of this world and Allah desires for you the hereafter and Allah is Mighty, Wise.. Now enjoy what you have won as lawful and good and keep your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is forgiving, merciful.'

-Muhammad encouraged torture:

Qur’an 9:5 “When the sacred forbidden months for fighting are past, fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, torture them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

Qur’an 5:33 “The punishment for those who wage war against Allah and His Prophet and make mischief in the land, is to murder them, crucify them, or cut off a hand and foot on opposite sides...their doom is dreadful. They will not escape the fire, suffering constantly.”

+Muhammad commanded the killing of Jews: these verses from Sunan of Abu Dawud are considered fabricated by Muslim scholars.

+Muhammad reviled the gods of the pagan Arabs, but approved the killing of people who criticized him: Muslim scholars consider this also forged.

+Moreover, by the Shari'a law, the modern Muslims are commanded to do the same: Islam approves the freedom of speech according to understanding of some Muslims (although I must say I don't see if this freedom is much practiced in Muslim countries).

-Muhammad attacked caravans and robbed them:

"Hamza went out to intercept the caravan of the Quraish which had come from Syria making for Makka." (Ibn Sa'd: The Wars of the Prophet)

Qur’an 8:69: “So enjoy what you took as booty; the spoils are lawful and good.”

"The Muslims had succeeded to ally themselves with several tribes on the trade routes that lay to the north of Medina. As a result the Koraysh caravans were now forced to journey northwards through the practically waterless and desolate desert known as the Najd, and so, it was for this reason the Koraysh caravans had all but ceased to travel northwards during the hot summer months. As the cooler months of early autumn approached the Koraysh made plans for a northward bound caravan to Iraq. They were anxious on account of their delayed trading to sell their silver ornaments, ingots and utensils so it was decided that Safwan should lead the richly laden caravan through the Najd onto Iraq to trade their wares. One day, an Ansar happened to overhear some Jews mentioning Safwan's caravan and went straight to the Prophet (sa) to report the matter. When the Prophet (sa) heard the news he appointed Zayd, with a hundred horsemen under his command, to ride onto the water hole of Karadah and lay in wait for the caravan. At Karadah, Zayd put Safwan and his men to flight and returned in triumph to Medina with not only the silver merchandise but camels and several captives." (Grand Shaykh, Professor Hasan Qaribullah: THE MILLENNIUM BIOGRAPHY OF MUHAMMAD THE PROPHET OF ALLAH)

"News reached Medina that a richly laden Koraysh caravan was homeward bound from Syria. When the Prophet (sa) learned of the news he placed Zayd in command of a cavalry of one hundred and seventy and sent them after it. The expedition was successful and the Koraysh merchandise confiscated, including silver that belonged to Safwan." (Grand Shaykh, Professor Hasan Qaribullah: THE MILLENNIUM BIOGRAPHY OF MUHAMMAD THE PROPHET OF ALLAH)

-Muhammad was a kidnapper:

Ishaq:313 “The Muslims told Abu Sufyan to pay them a ransom to free his son, Amr. He replied, ‘Am I to suffer the double loss of my blood and my money? After you have killed my son Hanzala, you want me to pay you a ransom to save Amr?’”

+Muhammad justified the breaking of oaths: if oaths are bad, they are ok to be broken. I.e. if I make an oath to do something bad to someone, I will do better if I break an oath and repent, than if I keep my oath. (I leave the verse for clarity).

Bukhari:V7B67N427 “The Prophet said, ‘If I take an oath and later find something else better than that, then I do what is better and expiate my oath.’”

-Muhammad justified the breaking of oaths to non-Muslims:

Qur’an 9:3 “Allah is not bound by any contract or treaty with non-Muslims, nor is His Apostle.”

-Muhammad approved and practiced slavery:

Qu-ran 33:50: "Prophet, We have made lawful to you the wives to whom you have granted dowries and the slave girls whom God has given you as booty."

Sahih Bukhari Vol. 3-#765: Narrated Kuraib: the freed slave of Ibn 'Abbas, that Maimuna bint Al-Harith told him that she manumitted a slave-girl without taking the permission of the Prophet. On the day when it was her turn to be with the Prophet, she said, "Do you know, O Allah's Apostle, that I have manumitted my slave-girl?" He said, "Have you really?" She replied in the affirmative. He said, "You would have got more reward if you had given her (i.e. the slave-girl) to one of your maternal uncles."

-Muhammad approved the rape of female prisoners:

Sahih Bukhari Vol. 7-#137 Narrated Abu al-Khudri: "We got female captives in the war booty and we used to do coitus interruptus with them. So we asked Allah's messenger about it and he said, "Do you really do that?" repeating the question thrice, "There is no soul that is destined to exist but will come into existence, till the Day of Resurrection.""

+Muhammad preached that a man should have up to 4 wives and should treat them fairly, although he himself had more than 4 wives and didn't treat them fairly: Muhammad was a special case: he had several wives as a man, several more wives as a prophet, several more wives as a leader of Arabia.

+Muhammad had sexual relations with a girl only 9 years old: some think Aisha was 18 years old when married, while others say it was normal at that time (Aisha's parents gave her to Muhammad), and that it even happens in the modern day.

+It seems that Aisha herself noticed how Muhammad seemed to be controlling Allah and not the other way around. Aisha may had a wrong perception of how the things were.
Do you believe it makes you a better Christian to say such things about Islam & their prophet? A yes or no answer will suffice, thanks. :)
 
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muslimah. said:
As for your alleged sins : may I ask you on what basis do you consider them sins knowing that you copied them from authentic Islamic sources ?
does it make any sense that they are recorded there although they are "sins" ?

Maybe because the people who wrote the Koran were edited:D
 
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Kris_J said:
Do you believe it makes you a better Christian to say such things about Islam & their prophet? A yes or no answer will suffice, thanks. :)

YES

A Christians duty is to point out the truth to everyone. Jesus is the only way to the father, when you put your trust in him and not in fallible man you will see;)
 
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lismore said:
YES

A Christians duty is to point out the truth to everyone. Jesus is the only way to the father, when you put your trust in him and not in fallible man you will see;)

Its interesting you say that. Christians dont seem to realize they put their trust in a falliable man who claims he is a "god" also;)
 
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lismore said:
Maybe because the people who wrote the Koran were barbaric:D

How does one define barbaric? :scratch: According to dictionary.com:

Marked by crudeness or lack of restraint in taste, style, or manner. \

When I read the Qur'an, I don't see that at all. Have any specific examples? In fact, adab, or manners, is central to the character of a muslim.


And from a muslim's point of view, God is the author of the Qur'an, so you are calling God barbaric and insulting us greatly. Just an fyi
 
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