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Salvation is a free gift, yet it’s often treated as if it could be earned. You can acquire this precious gift in this divine marketplace without spending anything. Everyone can access the blessings of heaven, as the door to truth is open to all. There’s no barrier to entering this door; the Savior and the voice within invite us to come. Christ urges us to seek His refined gold, making us truly rich.

The gospel is a blessing available to everyone, regardless of wealth. Even the poorest can obtain salvation, as it can’t be bought with money. We accept it through the willingness to obey and surrender of our wills to Christ. High education doesn’t bring one closer to God by itself. The Pharisees, despite their advantages, were spiritually blind and poor.

Salvation can't be earned, but it requires a sincere desire that leads to a willingness to give up everything God asks of us. God will not complete the good work in us against our will. God wants your willing obedience, shows us our deficits, and empowers us to turn away from our sins to him as long as we submit to him.
 
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Salvation is a free gift, yet it’s often treated as if it could be earned. You can acquire this precious gift in this divine marketplace without spending anything. Everyone can access the blessings of heaven, as the door to truth is open to all. There’s no barrier to entering this door; the Savior and the voice within invite us to come. Christ urges us to seek His refined gold, making us truly rich.

The gospel is a blessing available to everyone, regardless of wealth. Even the poorest can obtain salvation, as it can’t be bought with money. We accept it through the willingness to obey and surrender of our wills to Christ. High education doesn’t bring one closer to God by itself. The Pharisees, despite their advantages, were spiritually blind and poor.

Salvation can't be earned, but it requires a sincere desire that leads to a willingness to give up everything God asks of us. God will not complete the good work in us against our will. God wants your willing obedience, shows us our deficits, and empowers us to turn away from our sins to him as long as we submit to him.
You say it is open to all. Jesus places a restriction though. He said:

“14 "And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 "that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” (Joh 3:14-16 NKJV)

Yes, salvation cannot be earned, but those who receive it must believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.
 
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You say it is open to all. Jesus places a restriction though. He said:

“14 "And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 "that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” (Joh 3:14-16 NKJV)

Yes, salvation cannot be earned, but those who receive it must believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.
Itis open to all, but not all will accept it.
 
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Strange that you think to be a seer, a reader of other people's thoughts. It must be a burden.
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No reading of thoughts, just reading what you wrote.
but it requires a sincere desire that leads to a willingness to give up everything God asks of us.
 
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No reading of thoughts, just reading what you wrote.
but it requires a sincere desire that leads to a willingness to give up everything God asks of us.
Are you saying that a person will be saved having no real desire to obey God but continue to revel in their sin?

God is not a cave man clubbing the objects of his affections over the head and dragging them back to his cave.
 
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Are you saying that a person will be saved having no real desire to obey God but continue to revel in their sin?

God is not a cave man clubbing the objects of his affections over the head and dragging them back to his cave.
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Read the parable of the soils, the parable gives examples of three types of believers the 2nd soil, the third soil and the fourth soil.

I am saying that the only condition God has given mankind to receive God's free gift of Eternal Life and become a born again child of God. Is to believe in Jesus, believing that Jesus is who He says He is the promised Son of God/the promised Messiah, the resurrection and the life. When a person believes this about Jesus, they become a permanent born again child of God. No other action is required by God. They at the very moment of belief in Jesus cross over from death to life and will not come into judgement.

Now if this born again child of God wants to be an obedient child of God and please their heavenly Father. They will need to live a life in obedience to God's will and reject the temptations of sin that comes their way. But not all children will be obedient and many will fail as a child in their earthly life. But that does not mean they are not a child of God, it just means they are a disobedient child. Just like the prodigal son parable.
 
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Itis open to all, but not all will accept it.
No, it is open to all who believe. "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved," said the apostles to the Philippian jailer. Salvation is not open to someone who will not believe.
 
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No, it is open to all who believe. "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved," said the apostles to the Philippian jailer. Salvation is not open to someone who will not believe.
This is acceptance unbelief is rejection. It is open to all but those that do not believe will refuse to accept.
 
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This is acceptance unbelief is rejection. It is open to all but those that do not believe will refuse to accept.
So you believe that Jesus died to save those who would not believe on Him? Are such people saved, in your opinion? If not, then who could Jesus "see the travail of His soul and be satisfied" if just one person for whom He died was not saved?
 
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Strange that you think to be a seer, a reader of other people's thoughts. It must be a burden.
Reading the content of what you write doesn't equate to reading your mind.
 
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Salvation is a free gift, yet it’s often treated as if it could be earned. You can acquire this precious gift in this divine marketplace without spending anything. Everyone can access the blessings of heaven, as the door to truth is open to all. There’s no barrier to entering this door; the Savior and the voice within invite us to come. Christ urges us to seek His refined gold, making us truly rich.

The gospel is a blessing available to everyone, regardless of wealth. Even the poorest can obtain salvation, as it can’t be bought with money. We accept it through the willingness to obey and surrender of our wills to Christ. High education doesn’t bring one closer to God by itself. The Pharisees, despite their advantages, were spiritually blind and poor.

Salvation can't be earned, but it requires a sincere desire that leads to a willingness to give up everything God asks of us. God will not complete the good work in us against our will. God wants your willing obedience, shows us our deficits, and empowers us to turn away from our sins to him as long as we submit to him.
I have been thinking about what salvation means, why Gods grace falls on some and not others. I can imagine as a non believer that we can get consumed by the world. We have natural instincts like love bonding, having shelter and food and the drive to survive. These are strong forces.

Its easier I think to trust in what is in front of you, rather than something that is beyond which may not give you instant gratification, security or other needs and wants. To trust in ourselves as the arbitor and selector of what is best. This is often short term and material.

Though as humans we do know of the more transcedent needs. Maslows hierarchy of needs begins with the physical but at its top is self fullfillment and the ultimate need is transcedent and spiritual. So we know that there is more to life than just the material.

But I think the physical and material aspects dominate most so belief in anything transcedental and certainly God is sort of superficial or an added benefit. Like evolution sees human agency, culture, religion as an extended phenotype and not anything real or independent that may actually change reality or give us knowledge and benefit beyond the physical.

Belief is seen as a secondary phenomena and not real. I think that is why its hard for people to let go and completely give over to God as it goes against all these forces that make the immediate material world the only reality and way we should exist.

It requires giving up self, and overlooking the physical drives and instincts and to trust in something unseen and intangible. Yet at the same time we can taste the tangibility of spirituality and know that it is the true key to happiness and life meaning. It seems people know the truth but will only go so far in giving over to God.

In that sense I think its really a spiritual battle. Satan wanted to be God, wanted to create world order and fundementally its about rebellion against God. Letting god of our self as god and bowing to a power greater than ourselves.

Many find this hard especially in a world that is rejecting God and promoting self as god. Humans can do anything, you have a right over yourself and no one can tell you what to do. This is the ideology now being pushed especially since society has removed God from the public square relegating Him to the fringes.

In fact its going beyond the idea that humans are gods and don't need God. Now its outwardly hostile to Christ. It seems the more people believe they are gods the more they hate God. More than just an indifference towards a different belief or view but a personal hatred of anything to do with God.

Perhaps as with the cities and people who defied and rebelled against God in the past creating their own gods and thinking they were wise and superior while indulging in sin as though there was no sin or God. Then Gods judgement will come.
 
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I have been thinking about what salvation means, why Gods grace falls on some and not others. I can imagine as a non believer that we can get consumed by the world. We have natural instincts like love bonding, having shelter and food and the drive to survive. These are strong forces.
The sower casts the seed on the ground: the stoney, the hardened, the weed-choked, and the fertile. God's grace is to the world and surrounds it, but some love darkness more than light. God is not a respecter of persons, and He makes it to rin on the just and the unjust.
Its easier I think to trust in what is in front of you, rather than something that is beyond which may not give you instant gratification, security or other needs and wants. To trust in ourselves as the arbitor and selector of what is best. This is often short term and material.

Though as humans we do know of the more transcedent needs. Maslows hierarchy of needs begins with the physical but at its top is self fullfillment and the ultimate need is transcedent and spiritual. So we know that there is more to life than just the material.

But I think the physical and material aspects dominate most so belief in anything transcedental and certainly God is sort of superficial or an added benefit. Like evolution sees human agency, culture, religion as an extended phenotype and not anything real or independent that may actually change reality or give us knowledge and benefit beyond the physical.

Belief is seen as a secondary phenomena and not real. I think that is why its hard for people to let go and completely give over to God as it goes against all these forces that make the immediate material world the only reality and way we should exist.

It requires giving up self, and overlooking the physical drives and instincts and to trust in something unseen and intangible. Yet at the same time we can taste the tangibility of spirituality and know that it is the true key to happiness and life meaning. It seems people know the truth but will only go so far in giving over to God.

In that sense I think its really a spiritual battle. Satan wanted to be God, wanted to create world order and fundementally its about rebellion against God. Letting god of our self as god and bowing to a power greater than ourselves.

Many find this hard especially in a world that is rejecting God and promoting self as god. Humans can do anything, you have a right over yourself and no one can tell you what to do. This is the ideology now being pushed especially since society has removed God from the public square relegating Him to the fringes.

In fact its going beyond the idea that humans are gods and don't need God. Now its outwardly hostile to Christ. It seems the more people believe they are gods the more they hate God. More than just an indifference towards a different belief or view but a personal hatred of anything to do with God.

Perhaps as with the cities and people who defied and rebelled against God in the past creating their own gods and thinking they were wise and superior while indulging in sin as though there was no sin or God. Then Gods judgement will come.
 
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So you believe that Jesus died to save those who would not believe on Him? Are such people saved, in your opinion? If not, then who could Jesus "see the travail of His soul and be satisfied" if just one person for whom He died was not saved?
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. 1 John 2:2

Jesus had the "travail of His soul." This travail included mourning over those who rejected Him. "Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing." Matt 23:37

But the travail did not last forever, and He rejoices in those who heard His voice. From God's perspective, He knew all who would receive Him through Jesus and by the Holy Spirit, but that did not stop Him from giving the same grace and free gift to all. Yet, not all accept it.
 
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That was a statement; that when someone draws a conclusion based it what you wrote, "strange that you think to be a seer, a reader of other people's thoughts. It must be a burden" is an inapplicable and inappropriate response.
 
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The sower casts the seed on the ground: the stoney, the hardened, the weed-choked, and the fertile. God's grace is to the world and surrounds it, but some love darkness more than light. God is not a respecter of persons, and He makes it to rin on the just and the unjust.
I like the analogy of the seeds falling on different grounds. The weeds I think is a common one because people can know God and His Word but this world chokes it out.

I think we all can have some weeds in our God garden and we need to pick them out and put some weed killier on them lol. That is the armour of God.
 
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That was a statement; that when someone draws a conclusion based it what you wrote, "strange that you think to be a seer, a reader of other people's thoughts. It must be a burden" is an inapplicable and inappropriate response.
Says you.
 
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