Do you think Anne Frank and the Jews persecuted in the Holocaust went to heaven? Did God pity them? Did any of them come to Christ during that time?
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Salvation for Jews in the Holocaust?
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Only God knows. Anyway they will all come up at the end of the thousand years in the second resurrection. God will place his spirit in them and they will be reconciled to God and to the rest of Israel.
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They haven't committed the unforgivable sin, which is rejecting Christ after having believed and enjoyed the fruits of that belief.
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I did not notice anywhere in the Scriptures that a bad/unfair/unjust death gives a person any advantage in the resurrection.
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Im sorry, just need to chime in here. This is a theological view only shared by a certain group. The early church did not see it this way at all. If what you say is true, then Judas will be saved as well as many who rejected Jesus Christ of Nazareth. There is an alternative view to this and I will share it in my next post.
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I am sorry this make so sense at all. The unforgivable sin is to sin until death which means, rejection of Jesus Christ of Nazareth till the day you die basically, die in unbelief. Your a bit confusing here.
Blessings.
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Neither Judas or the other disciples had received the Holy Spirit indwelling at that time.
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I encourage you to research this fully using all the relative bible verses and narratives.
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God knows the heart of each and every one of us. If anyone rejects the Gospel scripture clearly tells us what the consequence is. Some of course are ignorant to the Gospel however many just flatly reject Jesus Christ of Nazareth. God laid judgment on Jerusalem in 70AD which completely destroyed the temple and the Aaronic Priesthood. No longer does God recognize the forgiveness of sin through this system. The only choice is the Messiah, Jesus Christ of Nazareth. So back to your question, only God knows the heart of man while he is ALIVE not after death.
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Many verses here is one:
Romans 10: 9-10
9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.
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Strangely added long after this was written…
Deuteronomy 4:2 (NIV)
Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the Lord your God that I give you.
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Anne Frank and the other victims of the holocaust is my go-to example for exposing the cognitive dissonance of the typical Christian belief in hell. According to most of them, they've been suffering constantly, in pain worse than we can imagine, for about eighty years now. Men, women, children, old, disabled and so forth. The only thing they have in common is that they didn't confess Jesus as their personal Lord and saviour.
The cognitive dissonance here, of course, is that they're trying to hold two completely and fundamentally contradictory statements as true at the same time. It's not about intricate biblical exegesis or fancy theological arguments or anything of the sort. It's simple:
A) God gives people what they deserve when they die
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B) some people will be tormented forever.
There is simply no way both can be true. Not a chance. When faced with such a blatant contradiction, I think the responsible thing is to try and figure out which one is wrong, rather than unsuccessfully pretending as if none of them is.
(And to make matters worse, a lot of Christians would replace "some people" in example B with "the vast majority of people who ever lived.)
The cognitive dissonance here, of course, is that they're trying to hold two completely and fundamentally contradictory statements as true at the same time. It's not about intricate biblical exegesis or fancy theological arguments or anything of the sort. It's simple:
A) God gives people what they deserve when they die
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B) some people will be tormented forever.
There is simply no way both can be true. Not a chance. When faced with such a blatant contradiction, I think the responsible thing is to try and figure out which one is wrong, rather than unsuccessfully pretending as if none of them is.
(And to make matters worse, a lot of Christians would replace "some people" in example B with "the vast majority of people who ever lived.)
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Abraham believed God and it was accounted to him as righteousness.
Anyone who believes God gets the same as Abraham.
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Excluding Judas, they might not have been filled with the Spirit, but they were born of the Holy Spirit as were all the OT saints.
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You do realise that Paul was writing these two verses to the saints in Rome, not unbelievers.
The salvation here is not about heaven when you're dead, but deliverance from "philistine, famine and plague", just like in the OT.
For some reason, theologians falsely gave the word "salvation" a whole new meaning when it went from OT to NT.
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