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Repent and Be Baptized

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" In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,
And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.
And the same John had his raiment of camel's hair, and a leathern girdle about his loins; and his meat was locusts and wild honey.
Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan.
And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins.
But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:
And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire." - Matthew 3:1-12

We see in verses 7, 8 & 10 that repentance, and fruits meet for repentance are required preceding baptism. Now that was the baptism of John, but it set a precedence for the baptism Jesus commanded in Matthew 28:19-20, and Mark 16:15-16, "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen. ... And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned"

It is also inferred in Luke 24:47, " And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem." Note, teaching to observe all things Jesus commanded, that belief and repentance come before baptism, as in Luke. #1, Repent, and #2, then remission of sins; which we now go to Acts 2:37-38 "Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." There it is once again, in that order: repent and be baptized.

Then we see in Acts 8:9-24 that Simon the sorcerer believes and is baptized, but is actually not repentant, because Simon seeks to buy the Holy Ghosts power with money. Peter then rebukes him mightily: "But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money. Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God. Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee. For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity." (Acts 8:20-23)

That man did not go down into baptism right. He had not believed with pure motives, and his heart wasn't right. He was commanded to repent immediately. There was no waiting. What a far cry from today when people "believe" but do not repent; they get baptized, but there is no change. And they go on their way in sin. God knoweth if they are no more saved than the world headed to hell, for by their fruits ye shall know them, and there are no fruits of righteousness, nor fruit of the Spirit. Their mouth utters what is in their heart, and if their language is full of filth, that means the heart is also.

Proverbs 23:7, " For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he: Eat and drink, saith he to thee; but his heart is not with thee"
Ezekiel 36:26-27,
" A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them." A truly repented and converted soul will be given a new heart, and become a new creature: the old things are passed away and all things become new (2 Corinthians 5:17)

Romans 6:1-4,
"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life."

This is key. Sin is cut off. That means your actions of sin are stopped. I'll share my personal testimony here:
I "accepted Jesus as my saviour" a few times. I had no change of heart, but a little emotional guilt perhaps. I didn't quit partying, or lusting after women, or cussing, or anything of the sort. that was NOT real salvation. There is a belief that is not saving belief as James writes about even the devils believe and tremble, and Jesus spoke in Matthew 7 about those who say Lord, Lord in the end, but He never knew them. Heavy and scary and it SHOULD put the real fear of God in anyone, especially those who continue in sin!

In 1985 I had an encounter with Jesus on my bed at night. I knew He was real, and I was under heavy conviction. I confessed all my sins and received Him in tears. Next day I awoke new and felt new. I immediately got rid of all my satanic and occult books, writings and jewelry. I destroyed artwork of anything depicting Satan, or nudity. I did drugs twice and both times came under heavy conviction, so I quit. In about 3 weeks time my language cleaned up, I'd quit all substances, even cigarettes, and I rejected all temptation, and trust me there were more temptation then with free stuff than before when i had to pay for it! That is real repentance.

Like Romans says, that old self is dead with Christ, and in newness of life means plainly to quit sinning. Romans 6:7, " For he that is dead is freed from sin." Galatians 3:27, "For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ." And, if you have put on Christ you must walk in the righteousness of Christ, otherwise you are none of His.

"Down with the old, Up with the new" is often said at baptisms, or some variation of that phrase: maybe "The old life is dead, The new life alive in Christ." But if there is no "new" then the whole thing is a sham. It's really a baptism of no value, and you may even be mocking God. It's not on the people doing the baptizing, or those watching as witnesses - it's all on you who are being baptized. You might deceive people, but you won't deceive God, who sees your every move, and some of the people might be aware you aren't bearing fruit also.

This is a serious matter! Repent, and be baptized! Some say repent is "metanoia" in Greek, which just means a change of mind. No! It means that, but also means to change your mind in a way that correlates in action by doing a 180 degree turn from your sins. Remission of sins means your past sins are forgiven, and you are commanded to go and sin no more.

Romans 3:25,
"Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God"

And here's where we go to 1 John 2:1-4,
"My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him."

And I'm gonna put in 3 John 11 from our Wednesday lunch devotional, because it totally went along with this message written yesterday:
"Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God."

Take this seriously brethren, for sin is a serious matter, and for you to claim one thing, but practice another, your heart has no change, and you are hypocritical. Repent! Repent! repent! And be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, who is the name (singular) of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Amen.

Let him who steals steal no more. (Ephesians 4:28) Flee fornication (1 Corinthians 6;18) Let it not be named once among you as becometh saints (Ephesians 5:3), Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour (Ephesians 4:25), Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers. Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks (Ephesians 4:29 & 5:4) But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds; (Colossians 3:8-9)

Are you going to play with eternity, and directly sin against God, who only can save you? The Scripture is clear that those who sin and do these things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. That is exactly what the Scriptures say and they cannot lie, and they do not lie!

Ephesians 5:5-7,
"For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
Be not ye therefore partakers with them."

1 Corinthians 6:9-11,
"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God."

Repent means both to change your mind about these things, and to quit doing them. Repent and be baptized. It's not, be baptized and repent. It's not, be baptized and go on living in sin. With the heart man believeth unto righteousness (Romans 10:10) That is Christs righteousness imputed and imparted: imputed by being justified by His blood, put in right standing with the Father, and imparted by being sanctified by His blood and the power of His resurrection by the Holy Spirit that enables us to live holy lives in His righteousness.

2 peter 1:3,
"According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue"
His Holy Spirit is holy, and part of true salvation is holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord (Hebrews 12:14)

Oh, repeating these things are necessary because some who read and hear these messages repeat the sins they were supposed to have put away and fled from! Fly away from your deadly sins, whose wages are death; and receive the gift of God which is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Romans 6:23)

If you read about Cornelius conversion in Acts 10 we see in 10:22, " Cornelius the centurion, a just man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews, was warned from God by an holy angel to send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee." And after he heard the gospel, and even received the Holy Ghost, then verse 47, "Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?"

Now, is there a case where water may be forbidden? John did when he warned the Pharisees who tried to come to his baptism. He knew there weren't coming right. In Luke 3:8 he says " Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham." He also cried "O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?" In other words, REPENT, and be baptized.


Then there's the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts 8, and Philipp gave a condition, "And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God."

See? believe with ALL THINE HEART, - so we see the heart again, just like Romans 10, with the heart man believeth UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS. Believeth means,
in a moral or religious reference:
- used in the NT of the conviction and trust to which a man is impelled by a certain inner and higher prerogative and law of soul
- to trust in Jesus or God as able to aid either in obtaining or in doing something: saving faith.
It also means believing that results in behavior changes in line with the will of God as set forth in the scriptures. There must be actions that follow: the fruits meet and worthy of repentance.
Amen.
 

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1 John 2:
  1. My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. 2 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

James 5:16 Therefore, confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another so that you may be healed. A prayer of a righteous person, when it is brought about, can accomplish much.
 
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1 John 2:
  1. My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. 2 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

James 5:16 Therefore, confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another so that you may be healed. A prayer of a righteous person, when it is brought about, can accomplish much.

Yes, if anyone sins, we have an advocate, Jesus Christ the Righteous. But the main thrust of John in all his epistles is "sin not" and whoever sins does not know God. He is well aware of our flesh and our sin nature. We might sin, we may slip and fall, we may even enter into a catastrophic sin as King David did, and I know that one all too well. Yes, even those sins can be forgiven, and must be repented of.

However, there are major consequences to such sinning, and we truly do reap what we sow. David & Bathsheba suffered the loss of their first child. I know that same loss as well and for same reasons. But since my sins were worse than Davids, in that I'd done it more than once, I suffered the complete loss of my family as well, all because I don't think we ever truly repented of our sin, and I had had a past adulterous affair I had pretty much tried to justify, then.

Still, David's family suffered greatly, people were killed, Amnon raped Tamar, and David was chased all over the place at times. The wages of sin is death, not just eternal death, but in this life the wages of sin can be death and loss and hardship. God forgives us, and that is clear, but please don't test God with sin. I did. Not consciously, but I remember saying, "Well, David and Bathsheba, you know, so we'll be alright." That was NOT repentance, that was justification.

I had not researched this topic before writing it - just had my notebook and my Bible, then I typed it out today. I have looked up a few things. I know the Church of Christ believes water baptism is necessary for salvation, which I do not adhere to, but they say this which I do agree with:

"Again, if a person indicates that he has no intention of repenting, we would refuse to baptize him. Why? Because repentance is a condition of baptism and having sins blotted out (Acts 2:38; 3:19). Anyone that tells us in advance that after he is baptized he plans to continue lying, being a homosexual, attending a man-made church, or living in a state of adultery, does not have a heart of repentance. It is true that he might change his attitude in the future, but for now, such a one is not ready to be immersed into the Christ.

Furthermore, if a person indicates that he has no intention of fulfilling his Christian obligations after he is baptized, we would not agree to baptize him. A new creation in the Christ not only puts off the old, but also puts on the new (2 Corinthians 5:17). When one says, “Look, I just want to be baptized. I do not want to go to worship, I do not want to be around other Christians, I just want to be baptized,” such a fellow does not see or accept the call to deny self and forsake all for Jesus (Luke 9:23; 14:33)."

However, more than likely, no one's going to tell you this, so unless you see the person every day and know their true lifestyle it's between them and God.
 
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" In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,
And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

When you preach to anyone today the gospel, do you still tell them to "Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand"?

Do you know what that phrase meant in the context of Jesus's first coming?
 
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When you preach to anyone today the gospel, do you still tell them to "Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand"?

Do you know what that phrase meant in the context of Jesus's first coming?

We can use that phrase, but also teach its context when John preached before the coming of the Lord Jesus. In a sense we can still say it, for since Jesus came and died for our sins and rose again, and is ascended unto the Father, the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
On another level, when we speak of His return in great glory and power, the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
 
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We can use that phrase, but also teach its context when John preached before the coming of the Lord Jesus. In a sense we can still say it, for since Jesus came and died for our sins and rose again, and is ascended unto the Father, the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
On another level, when we speak of His return in great glory and power, the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

But my question was "Do you know what that phrase meant in the context of Jesus's first coming?"

Or put it in another way, what would an actual listener be thinking when he heard that phrase coming out of John the Baptist?

Would he be thinking "Jesus will come to die for my sins and he will rise again, and ascend unto the Father, the kingdom of heaven is at hand."?
 
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But my question was "Do you know what that phrase meant in the context of Jesus's first coming?"

Or put it in another way, what would an actual listener be thinking when he heard that phrase coming out of John the Baptist?

Would he be thinking "Jesus will come to die for my sins and he will rise again, and ascend unto the Father, the kingdom of heaven is at hand."?

No. That is what it meant, but many then expected a deliverer like Moses that would overthrow the Roman occupation. They would think Messiah, but expect Him in a role of deliverance physically, and to set up the kingdom mentioned in Daniel and the prophets. That will be His second coming. He delivered us from sin with the cross, but people did not understand His teachings about His sacrifice - even the disciples, until it actually happened, then they had to see Him risen before they truly believed and understood.
 
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We can use that phrase, but also teach its context when John preached before the coming of the Lord Jesus. In a sense we can still say it, for since Jesus came and died for our sins and rose again, and is ascended unto the Father, the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
On another level, when we speak of His return in great glory and power, the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
If you truly believe in water baptism , can you believe this verse ?

In John 1:31 the Holy Spirit had John write this !!

And I knew him not , but that he should be mase manifest to Israel , therefore am I come Baptizing with water >

Can you fing the Greek word GENTILE // ETHNOS here at ALL ?

Just one more and have many !!

In 1 Cor 10:2 and all were BAPTIZED unto Moses in the CLOUD and in the Sea ??

So how was Moses BAPTIZED // BAPTIZO , in the CLOUD and in the SEA ?


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If you truly believe in water baptism , can you believe this verse ?

In John 1:31 the Holy Spirit hand John write this !!

And I knew him not , but that he should be mase manifest to Israel , therefore am I come Baptizing with water >

Can you fing the Greek word GENTILE // ETHNOS here at ALL ?

Just one more and have many !!

In 1 Cor 10:2 and all were BAPTIZED unto Moses in the CLOUD and in the Sea ??

So how was Moses BAPTIZED // BAPTIZO , in the CLOUD and in the SEA ?


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Moses and all were "baptized" symbolically, as a type. Just like baptism of the Holy Spirit is not a literal immersion but an immersion in the Spirit, or rather filling with the Spirit.

The Greek word for gentile is not in John 1:31, neither ethnos, nor the Hebrew goy or goyim:

κἀγὼ οὐκ ᾔδειν αὐτόν· ἀλλ’ ἵνα φανερωθῇ τῷ Ἰσραήλ, διὰ τοῦτο ἦλθον ἐγὼ ἐν τῷ ὕδατι βαπτίζων.

But Yeshua commanded to go into all ἔθνη (ethne) in Matthew 28:19, and baptize.
πορευθέντες οὖν μαθητεύσατε πάντα τὰ ἔθνη, βαπτίζοντες αὐτοὺς εἰς τὸ ὄνομα τοῦ Πατρὸς καὶ τοῦ Υἱοῦ καὶ τοῦ Ἁγίου Πνεύματος
 
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No. That is what it meant, but many then expected a deliverer like Moses that would overthrow the Roman occupation. They would think Messiah, but expect Him in a role of deliverance physically, and to set up the kingdom mentioned in Daniel and the prophets. That will be His second coming. He delivered us from sin with the cross, but people did not understand His teachings about His sacrifice - even the disciples, until it actually happened, then they had to see Him risen before they truly believed and understood.

Are you aware of the Davidic Covenant that God made with David's descendants in 2 Samuel 7?

There is a reason why many in Israel recognize Jesus as the "Son of David".

Its not "Jesus will come to die for my sins and he will rise again, and ascend unto the Father, the kingdom of heaven is at hand."
 
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Moses and all were "baptized" symbolically, as a type. Just like baptism of the Holy Spirit is not a literal immersion but an immersion in the Spirit, or rather filling with the Spirit.

The Greek word for gentile is not in John 1:31, neither ethnos, nor the Hebrew goy or goyim:

κἀγὼ οὐκ ᾔδειν αὐτόν· ἀλλ’ ἵνα φανερωθῇ τῷ Ἰσραήλ, διὰ τοῦτο ἦλθον ἐγὼ ἐν τῷ ὕδατι βαπτίζων.

But Yeshua commanded to go into all ἔθνη (ethne) in Matthew 28:19, and baptize.
πορευθέντες οὖν μαθητεύσατε πάντα τὰ ἔθνη, βαπτίζοντες αὐτοὺς εἰς τὸ ὄνομα τοῦ Πατρὸς καὶ τοῦ Υἱοῦ καὶ τοῦ Ἁγίου Πνεύματος
And is all were " BAPTIZED " symbolically , as a type ??

In 1 Cor 10:1 Now I do NOT // OU is a Greek word called a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE and means notttttttt to be IGNORANT .

Verse 2 , that all were BAPTIZED unto Moses in the CLOUD // NEPHERE in the DATIVE CASE , means PERSONAL RELATIONS , and in

the SEA .

Notice that Greek word for WATER //HYDOR is not in the Greek Text .


So how were the thousands of Jew , BAPTIZED UNTO MOSES ?

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And is all were " BAPTIZED " symbolically , as a type ??

In 1 Cor 10:1 Now I do NOT // OU is a Greek word called a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE and means notttttttt to be IGNORANT .

Verse 2 , that all were BAPTIZED unto Moses in the CLOUD // NEPHERE in the DATIVE CASE , means PERSONAL RELATIONS , and in

the SEA .

Notice that Greek word for WATER //HYDOR is not in the Greek Text .


So how were the thousands of Jew , BAPTIZED UNTO MOSES ?

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That's all symbolic of baptism. They passed through the waters, not in them, and the cloud guided them and overshadowed them, as the Spirit came down upon Jesus in bodily form as a dove at His baptism, and the Spirit also comes upon us and within us, and guides us.
 
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That's all symbolic of baptism. They passed through the waters, not in them, and the cloud guided them and overshadowed them, as the Spirit came down upon Jesus in bodily form as a dove at His baptism, and the Spirit also comes upon us and within us, and guides us.
REALLY ??

And in 1 Cor 10:2 reads in the Greek text , And ALL WERE // PAS , is in the Greek NOMINATIVE CASE , which is the subject , and in the Greek , PLURAL , meaning all were BAPTIZED UNTO Moses .

All were BAPTIZED // BAPTIZO , is in the Greek AORIST TENSE and that means that all were BAPTIZED unto Moses , and is in the INDICATIVE MOOD , meaning YOU better believe it and is also in the Greek PLURAL

Also the Greek word for WATER // HYDOR is not in the Greek Text .

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REALLY ??

And in 1 Cor 10:2 reads in the Greek text , And ALL WERE // PAS , is in the Greek NOMINATIVE CASE , which is the subject , and in the Greek , PLURAL , meaning all were BAPTIZED UNTO Moses .

All were BAPTIZED // BAPTIZO , is in the Greek AORIST TENSE and that means that all were BAPTIZED unto Moses , and is in the INDICATIVE MOOD , meaning YOU better believe it and is also in the Greek PLURAL

Also the Greek word for WATER // HYDOR is not in the Greek Text .

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Are you meaning "ALL" as in everyone who passed through the sea with Moses, or "ALL" as in everyone period? The Israelites were baptized unto Moses meaning he was their deliverer - again, a type of Christ, and symbolic. ALL Israelites that went up out of Egypt and passed through the sea were indeed baptized unto Moses, just as we are Baptized into Christ.

Deuteronomy 18:15,
"The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;"

This is prophetic of Christ.

Look at the whole portion of 1 Corinthians 10 in context:
"Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.

Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted."

Now the whole point is, Repent and be baptized; which today means to make public confession of Christ as soon as possible after conversion and be immersed in water as the New Covenant ordains. But let us also consider 1 Cor. 10:6 that we should not lust after evil things, as did the Israelites, who were overthrown for their sins against God and murdering against Moses.
 
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Are you meaning "ALL" as in everyone who passed through the sea with Moses, or "ALL" as in everyone period? The Israelites were baptized unto Moses meaning he was their deliverer - again, a type of Christ, and symbolic. ALL Israelites that went up out of Egypt and passed through the sea were indeed baptized unto Moses, just as we are Baptized into Christ.

Deuteronomy 18:15,
"The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;"

This is prophetic of Christ.

Look at the whole portion of 1 Corinthians 10 in context:
"Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.

Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted."

Now the whole point is, Repent and be baptized; which today means to make public confession of Christ as soon as possible after conversion and be immersed in water as the New Covenant ordains. But let us also consider 1 Cor. 10:6 that we should not lust after evil things, as did the Israelites, who were overthrown for their sins against God and murdering against Moses.
And 1 Cor 10:2 says ALL // PAS , is in the Greek Nominative Case , which means it is the subject , and in the Greek INDICATIVE MOOD which means you better believe it and is in the Greek , Plural which means all were BAPTIZED unto Moses in the CLOUD and unto the SEA and that is what the Greek text was written to all !!

And who were those , who were submerged , the EGYPTIANS that followed MOSES .

So how were those Thousand of Jews and the CLOUD and the SEA , Baptized unto Moses ??

It , shows that the Greek word BAPTISM has more than ONE MEANING !! Your thoughts ??

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And 1 Cor 10:2 says ALL // PAS , is in the Greek Nominative Case , which means it is the subject , and in the Greek INDICATIVE MOOD which means you better believe it and is in the Greek , Plural which means all were BAPTIZED unto Moses in the CLOUD and unto the SEA and that is what the Greek text was written to all !!

And who were those , who were submerged , the EGYPTIANS that followed MOSES .

So how were those Thousand of Jews and the CLOUD and the SEA , Baptized unto Moses ??

It , shows that the Greek word BAPTISM has more than ONE MEANING !! Your thoughts ??

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Oh, the Greek word for Baptism definitely has more than one meaning! Immersion in water is but one, and the most commonly known.

You got the Baptism of Moses which we've discussed at length from 1 Cor. 10.
Then you have Johns Baptism, and Jesus Baptism which was by John but a bit different because He did not have to repent, being sinless.
There's the Baptism of fire, and Baptism of the Holy Spirit, often associated with the Baptism of fire together.
1 Cor 12:13 Baptism by the Spirit into the body of Christ.
Baptism of the cross, the actual death burial and resurrection of Christ (Mark 10:35-39)
 
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Oh, the Greek word for Baptism definitely has more than one meaning! Immersion in water is but one, and the most commonly known.

You got the Baptism of Moses which we've discussed at length from 1 Cor. 10.
Then you have Johns Baptism, and Jesus Baptism which was by John but a bit different because He did not have to repent, being sinless.
There's the Baptism of fire, and Baptism of the Holy Spirit, often associated with the Baptism of fire together.
1 Cor 12:13 Baptism by the Spirit into the body of Christ.
Baptism of the cross, the actual death burial and resurrection of Christ (Mark 10:35-39)
I have yet to where BAPTISM is called Immersion , and would like to see a verse abut it , if I can ??

The word , FIRE // PUR , normally means JUDGEMENT !!

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I have yet to where BAPTISM is called Immersion , and would like to see a verse abut it , if I can ??

The word , normally means JUDGEMENT !!

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It can mean judgement, but normally means water baptism:

βάπτισμα

1 immersion, submersion

  1. of calamities and afflictions with which one is quite overwhelmed
  2. of John's baptism, that purification rite by which men on confessing their sins were bound to spiritual reformation, obtained the pardon of their past sins and became qualified for the benefits of the Messiah's kingdom soon to be set up. This was valid Christian baptism, as this was the only baptism the apostles received and it is not recorded anywhere that they were ever rebaptised after Pentecost.
  3. of Christian baptism; a rite of immersion in water as commanded by Christ, by which one after confessing his sins and professing his faith in Christ, having been born again by the Holy Spirit unto a new life, identifies publicly with the fellowship of Christ and the church.
 
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It can mean judgement, but normally means water baptism:

βάπτισμα

1 immersion, submersion


  1. of calamities and afflictions with which one is quite overwhelmed
  2. of John's baptism, that purification rite by which men on confessing their sins were bound to spiritual reformation, obtained the pardon of their past sins and became qualified for the benefits of the Messiah's kingdom soon to be set up. This was valid Christian baptism, as this was the only baptism the apostles received and it is not recorded anywhere that they were ever rebaptised after Pentecost.
  3. of Christian baptism; a rite of immersion in water as commanded by Christ, by which one after confessing his sins and professing his faith in Christ, having been born again by the Holy Spirit unto a new life, identifies publicly with the fellowship of Christ and the church.
The word FIRE // PUR , means JUDGEMENT is what I meant !!!

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I brought up in our service today regarding baptism, and how some people who had been baptised in the past 2 or 3 months were not present, and asked why. The consensus was they had all (except for one) gotten in trouble in one way or another because they were not following the Lord, and either Satan pounced on them because they opened that door to sign, or else the Father chastised them as disobedient children.

One even went to jail! One made a crazy threat and was refused a job and had to move away. Another got drunk and had to detox!

You make a public profession of Christ in front of the congregation, and then go live like the world, and the devil, fueled by hell fire, and you've mocked the meaning of baptism, and then indeed a "baptism of fire" might just be your portion, for mocking a holy God who calls us unto holiness, not unto sin.
 
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