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Records of Jesus in Tibet and India?

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Nicolas Notovitch in 1896 published a translation form Tibetan of an account of Jesus in India and Tibet. How can this be verified and how well is this account regarded?

The record of healings and turning people from their idols... are they more than legend?

Here are two YouTube videos:
Notovitch's Account of Jesus in India

Translation of Account of Jesus in India

There are no records of Jesus in India. What appears to be records of him are the result of people conflating the story of Saint Thomas -who preached Jesus in India- with Jesus himself. It is in fact a legend, meaning a story composed of mixed fact and fiction.
 
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There are no records of Jesus in India. What appears to be records of him are the result of people conflating the story of Saint Thomas -who preached Jesus in India- with Jesus himself. It is in fact a legend, meaning a story composed of mixed fact and fiction.
Where did you find this info?
 
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Where did you find this info?

Google Saint Thomas Christians. St. Thomas founded the Church in India and the Indian tradition has it that he attempted to abolish idols from there. He was eventually put to death for it.
 
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no.. he was not there. Well there is way to much hmm facts that prove its not true. Its just nothing more then speculation. Yet that being said allot of His life was not shared. Now it was always about Israel and they knew him as a carpenter.
 
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no.. he was not there. Well there is way to much hmm facts that prove its not true. Its just nothing more then speculation. Yet that being said allot of His life was not shared. Now it was always about Israel and they knew him as a carpenter.
ChatGPT renders the St Thomas incorrect but does not give credibility to Notovitch.
 
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Notovitch's Jesus was crucified when he returned home.
Why Notovitch's claims are not credible:

  • There is no other evidence to support the claim that Jesus traveled to India other than his claim.
  • The Hemis Monastery denies that Notovitch ever visited.
  • The documents Notovitch claimed to have seen were never produced.
  • Notovitch's story has been contradicted by other travelers who have visited the Hemis Monastery.
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Why Notovitch's claims are not credible:

  • There is no other evidence to support the claim that Jesus traveled to India other than his claim.
  • The Hemis Monastery denies that Notovitch ever visited.
  • The documents Notovitch claimed to have seen were never produced.
  • Notovitch's story has been contradicted by other travelers who have visited the Hemis Monastery.
Blessings
In one documentary I linked, there are other persons named and the monastery was said to deny having documents in order to avoid confiscations...
 
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Sensationalism sells, but is nearly never faithful to the facts.

Christianity reached Asia, the Assyrian Church's missionary work brought Christianity into central Asia and into China, as the Xi'an Stele and Jingjiao Documents demonstrate.

St. Thomas missionary journey to India is, from best I've been able to gather over the years, one of the more credible apostolic journeys we have (in terms of extra-biblical accounts). The ancient presence of the Mar Thoma Christians of India is solid. There was a Jewish community where Thomas is said to have gone, going to India would certainly have been a long--but hardly unlikely--task. There was ancient trade networks between the Roman Empire and ancient China. India was well known in the ancient Greco-Roman world.

Christianity moved east very early on, among the Parthians (later Sassanians) of Persia, into Bactria, and into India. So St. Thomas could have reached India through those ancient trade roads, and other Christian missions continued and helped solidify a number of important eastern centers of Christianity, such as Edessa in Mesopotamia.

There's simply nothing but a sensationalist story rooted in a Western romantic and mystical fascination with an "exotic" "Orient" that was common in the 19th and early 20th century going on with a supposed visit of Jesus to Tibet/India.

But the presence of Christian missions to India, going perhaps as far back as St. Thomas the Apostle, are credible. Though much less sensational.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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In one documentary I linked, there are other persons named and the monastery was said to deny having documents in order to avoid confiscations...
The claim is Jesus Christ of Nazareth went to India to study Buddhism. Really?
Let us reason. Blessings.
 
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The claim is Jesus Christ of Nazareth went to India to study Buddhism. Really?
Let us reason. Blessings.
I am not a fan of the website, Let us reason, but Notovitch may have made it up, this story of Jesus teaching Hindus and Buddhists to set aside their idols. And describes from study why the Hindus should not have a concept of God which contains evil, I suppose, the destroyer. It is quite possible Notovitch made it up. It looks like we cannot tell, because the monastery now protects it's documents.
 
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Sensationalism sells, but is nearly never faithful to the facts.

Christianity reached Asia, the Assyrian Church's missionary work brought Christianity into central Asia and into China, as the Xi'an Stele and Jingjiao Documents demonstrate.

St. Thomas missionary journey to India is, from best I've been able to gather over the years, one of the more credible apostolic journeys we have (in terms of extra-biblical accounts). The ancient presence of the Mar Thoma Christians of India is solid. There was a Jewish community where Thomas is said to have gone, going to India would certainly have been a long--but hardly unlikely--task. There was ancient trade networks between the Roman Empire and ancient China. India was well known in the ancient Greco-Roman world.

Christianity moved east very early on, among the Parthians (later Sassanians) of Persia, into Bactria, and into India. So St. Thomas could have reached India through those ancient trade roads, and other Christian missions continued and helped solidify a number of important eastern centers of Christianity, such as Edessa in Mesopotamia.

There's simply nothing but a sensationalist story rooted in a Western romantic and mystical fascination with an "exotic" "Orient" that was common in the 19th and early 20th century going on with a supposed visit of Jesus to Tibet/India.

But the presence of Christian missions to India, going perhaps as far back as St. Thomas the Apostle, are credible. Though much less sensational.

-CryptoLutheran

There's no good evidence Jesus went to India and studied any eastern religions. Many historians even doubt he went to Egypt (only one Gospel mentions this, and it's easily explained away as a convention of Jewish storytelling). He was a Galilean peasant that wandered around a relatively small geographic area. It would have been enormously expensive to travel anywhere else.

At any rate, he probably wouldn't have had to travel very far to encounter a potential Hindu or Buddhist missionary, but I doubt he had significant interaction with them (he was probably too busy working as a day laborer in the neighboring gentile cities in Galilee, which were booming in the 1st century). The Theraputiae of the ancient near east were probably Hindu and Buddhist sramanas that travelled as missionaries, and the early Church fathers knew of them (the Buddha is even mentioned by one of the ECF's, in passing, as a "holy man"). They may have also influenced the development of monasticism in general in the region.

More plausibly, it's possible that Jesus interacted with the Essenes, and that John the Baptist himself, and the Ebionites, were related to the Essenes or were themselves Essenes. This is part of the story in Nikos Kazantakis novel, the Last Temptation of Christ, where Jesus studies with the Essenes before ultimately leaving their religion (Kazantakis was drawing on historical Jesus scholarship of the time period in creating a backstory for Jesus in the novel).
 
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In one documentary I linked, there are other persons named and the monastery was said to deny having documents in order to avoid confiscations...

I think that makes sense. Some others claim they had corroborated this. The story may be true but it's impossible to prove. . I want to listen to the audio books on this.

The evidence we have that he was a carpenter is basically one sentence in the gospels. I find that very vague. It doesn't say how long he was a carpenter or much details of anything he did when he was in his 20s or late teens. It also says he had other brothers. The details on this are fairly scant as well. The catholic church says some people may have been close to him so he refers to them as 'brothers'. I can't deny that that is possible. Nowadays people want to say Jesus had short hair, he didn't have brown or blonde hair, he didn't look European. Many of these things the bible doesn't give a lot of details on. Many other controversies and heresies that arose in 1500 years ago were not spelled out in parts of the bible or you could argue it different ways, except I often find arguing to be counterproductive. I believe that Philo might have said that the Essenes who were influenced by the book of Enoch were influenced by the Zorastrian religion. I am not sure on that exactly, I just heard that on a podcast. Many things in the book of Enoch are alluded to in the new testment, but enoch is older than the new testament and it's origins seem obscure. It has a different flavor than the old testament and many things in the gospels have similarities with eastern religions.

Mathew:
"Is not this the carpenter 's son? Is not his mother called Mary? And are not his brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas?"
Mark:
"Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary and brother of James and Joses and Judas and Simon? And are not his sisters here with us?"

 
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I do recall that Origen, an early church father said that the Apostles did not write enough down. I suppose they were too busy trying to spread the basic message but Origen seems to be saying that they knew a lot of stuff that they didn't share enough about
 
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