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R Rated Movies - Restricted for Christians?

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The last church we were in shunned us for this topic, I want you to know that my convictions are not necessarily everyone elses, so I am not judging you.

This world loves movies. However this world we live in doesn't want their children to see certian movies, so they dveloped a "rating" system. The ratings are G, PG, PG-13, R, NC-17 and X. The most common movie rating today acording to PageWise.com is the R rating.

Here are my questions:

1) If Jesus told us that unless we become like little children we would not enter the kingdom of God, why do so many christians choose to view movies that the world says are not suitable for children under the age of 17?

2) Is watching a romantic comedy with casual premarital sex in it a good way to tell the world that we (Christians) do not approve of premarital sex?

3) Is viewing violence and gore harmless to a christians mind?

4) Do you remember when we were children; when violence, gore, sex and profanity used to be nightmarishly disturbing and wrong? What made us change our minds along the way?

Just wanted to hear some others thoughts...
Thanks
 
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I know this is mostly addressed to Christians, but I feel a need to give my two cents.
1) If Jesus told us that unless we become like little children we would not enter the kingdom of God, why do so many christians choose to view movies that the world says are not suitable for children under the age of 17?
How many children have full-time jobs, do their taxes, raise families, serve in the military, and other adult things? Using the same logic, Christians shouldn't do any of those things.

2) Is watching a romantic comedy with casual premarital sex in it a good way to tell the world that we (Christians) do not approve of premarital sex?
I just watched Terminator 2. Am I endorsing breaking into corporate HQs, getting into gunfights with cops, and driving recklessly?
 
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Godshouse777 said:
This world loves movies. However this world we live in doesn't want their children to see certian movies, so they dveloped a "rating" system. The ratings are G, PG, PG-13, R, NC-17 and X. The most common movie rating today acording to PageWise.com is the R rating.
This is because most films are low budget exploitation films shot for the direct to video market. Big budget films tend to be PG or PG-13 with many blockbusters being G-rated.

"X" is no longer an official rating, having been replaced by NC-17.

Godshouse777 said:
1) If Jesus told us that unless we become like little children we would not enter the kingdom of God, why do so many christians choose to view movies that the world says are not suitable for children under the age of 17?
THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST was R-rated. TRIUMPH OF THE WILL is G-rated.

Go figure...

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2) Is watching a romantic comedy with casual premarital sex in it a good way to tell the world that we (Christians) do not approve of premarital sex?
Is watching Godzilla movies a good way for us to say we don't want radioactive monsters destroying our cities?

Godshouse777 said:
3) Is viewing violence and gore harmless to a christians mind?
If our minds are focused on God, it won't matter what we see. It's not what goes in that pollutes us but what comes out.

Godshouse777 said:
4) Do you remember when we were children; when violence, gore, sex and profanity used to be nightmarishly disturbing and wrong? What made us change our minds along the way?
I grew up with Popeye, Betty Boop, Warner Bros. cartoons, and the The Stooges.
 
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Recently, in my school, people were looking at images of dead people on the internet and laughing. The teachers knew and did not care. The only thing that I can think of that would lead to this is the insane amount of violence that fills the media. Our situation that we live in now can be likened to the Coliseum days. People liked to see people be killed or at least have it presented to them like that happened.



If our minds are focused on God, it won't matter what we see. It's not what goes in that pollutes us but what comes out.




People that are abused as a child, have a greater tendency to be abusive themselves. If you live in a culture with sex everywhere, you are more likely to think about sex. What comes in is what comes out in most cases. Sure, people have a choice, but that choice is based in the context of previous experience and that previous experience is not a choice. And the fact that people are not shocked by seeing someone die after X amount of time seeing something like that (even if Christian with your mind on God) disproves your point that it can’t change your mind. Changing ones mind for the worse would be described as ‘polluting’. Thus, it can pollute. Is enjoying violent imagery good/bad?



Even Christians were lead astray and enjoyed the Gladiatorial games because they did not think it was wrong. They thought this because it was part of the culture. When you believe something that is the same as the culture you live in, it is just the culture influencing you. There are many paths to take, is it a coincidence that you take the one that everyone you are around takes in many things?
 
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I feel I should clarify the verse in question,
When Jesus refers to what goes "in" he is speaking of food, ie: what goes in through the mouth not the eyes.

Here are the following verses that were made reference:

Matt 15:11
11Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man."

Mark 7:19-20
...19because it does not enter his heart but his stomach, and is eliminated, thus purifying all foods?" 20And He said, "What comes out of a man, that defiles a man.
 
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Godshouse777 said:
I feel I should clarify the verse in question,
When Jesus refers to what goes "in" he is speaking of food, ie: what goes in through the mouth not the eyes.

Here are the following verses that were made reference:

Matt 15:11
11Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man."

Mark 7:19-20
...19because it does not enter his heart but his stomach, and is eliminated, thus purifying all foods?" 20And He said, "What comes out of a man, that defiles a man.
I'm pretty sure Christ wasn't talking about vomit but about words (which are representative of our thoughts and feelings).
 
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Godshouse777 said:
Here are my questions:

1) If Jesus told us that unless we become like little children we would not enter the kingdom of God, why do so many christians choose to view movies that the world says are not suitable for children under the age of 17?

For the same reason that we buy full-sized clothes. There are many ways to be "like little children". Not all are necessarily what Jesus was talking about.

2) Is watching a romantic comedy with casual premarital sex in it a good way to tell the world that we (Christians) do not approve of premarital sex?

No. But is pretending part of the world doesn't exist a good way to tell the world that we are strong, and can face anything we need to?

I'm sure the world has a pretty good idea of mainstream Christian thought about premarital sex, casual sex, and just about everything else.

3) Is viewing violence and gore harmless to a christians mind?

It depends on the Christian.

4) Do you remember when we were children; when violence, gore, sex and profanity used to be nightmarishly disturbing and wrong? What made us change our minds along the way?

Maturity. I believe my wife would complain if I found sex "nightmarishly disturbing".

[bible]1 Corinthians 13:11[/bible]
 
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I will throw in my thoughts as well...

How many children have full-time jobs, do their taxes, raise families, serve in the military, and other adult things? Using the same logic, Christians shouldn't do any of those things.
Why should children not have jobs... Josiah was king at the age of eight I believe and God never struck him dead. I imagine full time jobs were the norm in biblical times. Josiah, David, Joseph and many more started out very young. As far as raising families goes... it is believed by the usual tradition that Mary who bore Jesus was 13-16 years of age... does it seem logical that God would choose someone so young to start a family if He rejected the idea? "Other adult things" is only judgable by personal conviction. People should mary at an older age today because they are not as mature as biblical time saints. I will never understand why some people think that kids should simply sit around and play gameboys, talk on the phone, drive around, and never acquire and responsibility. Our nation is going to ruin because people are not taught to take responsibility. The more responsible we are the more God responds and the more He trusts us with. The amish children start out working at the age of 6 or 7 and are married by the age of 18 or 19. Work builds people it will never rip them down.
I am not a sweat shop boss but believe so much is thrown away in todays world because people shun responsible things.

In Christs Love,
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I just watched Terminator 2. Am I endorsing breaking into corporate HQs, getting into gunfights with cops, and driving recklessly?

First of all you cannot rent a pornagraphic movie and not suppot pornography. No, you may not do all the things you see them doing BUT the fact is you support it. With T2 you may not walk into HQ's and blow people away but what makes that exciting to watch? People that have hate and like to murder other people? Death has become of no value because of all that we see on TV. If it excites you and makes you happy then you support it. Movies draw us into a sort of reality that we enjoy. It is dillusional. It is what we enjoy. As far as renting movies... could you buy a George Bush button that the money goes to his campaign and not support him? In the same way can you not do the same renting? Those who saw the passion supported a good cause. Sure some may not be real, the people may not really be getting killed so what makes it fun? It is all fake. Or could it be the fact that those things being a reality in your life and you being the super hero would be cool?

In Christs Love,
All4one :clap:
 
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Maturity. I believe my wife would complain if I found sex "nightmarishly disturbing.
*rolls on floor laughing*

I think films and music are two of those gray areas where if you think it's a sin and you feel uncomfortable doing/seeing/hearing it, then for you it is a sin and should be avoided. BUT, other people will be convicted differently, and there's nothing wrong with either viewpoint.

Two of my favorite movies are rated R (Topsy-Turvy and Clockwork Orange--anyone seen them? :) ). I personally am not interested in children's movies, as I am 20 years old. I usualyl do fast-forward through the sex scenes in films, just because they're usually not necessary. But I don't think I'm sinning by watching movies that aren't adolescent-themed.
 
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There does seem to be some real hypocrisy with Christians regarding movies with nudity. If its not right for Christians to be nude in movies or in the art class, then why should Christians watch movies depicting nudity?

Do you remember the Jesus Film? This movie has a nude scene. It occurs when Jesus cast demons out of the Gadarene demoniac. I've talked to Christians who would ordinarily object to nude art but have no problems with this scene. "Souls are being saved," as they would say. Based on their reasoning, it would be okay for Christians to make a movie about Adam and Eve with nudity. Remember, these are Christian who would object to nudity in the art class. What logical inconsistancy! The nude scene was unneccessary. But the Jesus Film is a sacred cow to many Christians, so how dare me criticize its nudity>

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The last church we were in shunned us for this topic, I want you to know that my convictions are not necessarily everyone elses, so I am not judging you.
 
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I'm almost afraid to post in this topic! But anyways personally I don't feel it's good for us to fill our minds with things we shouldn't. That being said in America we've got choices to make. Do we compromise for the sake of entertainment? What about the VCR or DVD player? Last time I checked, both of mine have fast-forward buttons! The language in most R-rated movies doesn't bother me too much. Sometimes the gore does. And the blatant in-your-face-sexuality does too. But, I have a remote-control. I just fast forward the parts I don't want to see. Even on TV you as long as you watch it, you'll see things you don't want to, unless you just shut it off altogether. So, options are available. That's my thinking!
 
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I think this is a valid topic, and I'm surprised your former church faulted you for it.

1) If Jesus told us that unless we become like little children we would not enter the kingdom of God, why do so many christians choose to view movies that the world says are not suitable for children under the age of 17?
I was under the impression that this referred to adults maintaining the unquestioning faith of children, not behaving childishly in all things. It needs to be taken into account that adults differ from children in many ways, including emotional maturity (hopefully). Thus, an adult would probably be more capable then a child of understanding the reason for the addition of violence or sex into a film and could, unlike young kids and teens, consciously reject the message to conform to the values presented onscreen.

That said, everyone, not just Christians, should think carefully about their entertainment choices. It's important to look at the reason for the labels, not just the ratings themselves. As mentioned, the film "The Passion" was given an R rating because of it's graphic depiction of violence and brutality against Christ - but many Christian parents and churches took busloads of Sunday schoolers and kids from youth groups to go see it. At the same time, lots of parents did not want their kid to see "Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban", which had a lighter rating. They made a choice based on content, not just labelling. My parents let me see "Born on the Fourth of July" as a juvenille despite it's rating, but freaked that I was into "River's Edge" which had the same rating but far different content.

Is watching a romantic comedy with casual premarital sex in it a good way to tell the world that we (Christians) do not approve of premarital sex?
No, I suppose not, but there are also times which someone exposes themselves to something they do not approve of for the purposes of learning. I couldn't justify it for a romantic comedy or something without any lessons or information (PWP), but take "Alexander", with it's homosexual themes, for example. My mom, a Christian, watched it with me, gay kisses and all, because of the information and historical content. She wasn't watching it as a turn on or because she wanted to see Jared Leto make out with a guy (I think) but because it gave her some basic info on Alexander and she is just now getting into Greek and Roman history. She wouldn't watch something like "American Pie" with it's sex references, but overlooked the sexual themes in the "Alexander" film because of what it was about.

Is viewing violence and gore harmless to a christians mind?
Viewing violence and gore is not harmless to anyone's mind, Christians included, but again I think it is logical to look at the purpose of the violence. Is it there to make a point, like in "The Passion", or is it gratuitous, like "Jason vs Freddy"? Does it have a point? In "Saving Private Ryan" and "Black Hawk Down" violence is necessary to make the point...whereas in "Terminator" which is fictional it's just to set the scene. Evaluating the pros and cons of each film you decide to watch is probably useful - does the point of the movie and the lessons taught justify the violence (or other objectionable content)?

Do you remember when we were children; when violence, gore, sex and profanity used to be nightmarishly disturbing and wrong? What made us change our minds along the way?
A lot of it still is disturbing to me - I cringed and cried during "The Passion" even thought I understood why it was bloody, I get sick feeling when I watch slasher films and I blush during sexual references (especially while watching "Alexander" with my mother!). I don't enjoy watching movies where casual sex is the norm unless I understand the film is trying to convey the personality of a particular character and has a good reason for doing so - I wouldn't watch something like "Sex in the City" because that's just not what I'm into. Swearing does not bother me when I understand the point - again, to communicate the personality of a character or to reflect someone's views - but it annoys me when it's used excessively and purposelessly just because it has shock value.
 
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Well, to some it's very important to monitor what they watch. I try my best not to look at anything that exhibits sex scenes or anything that has some one posing half nude for the purposes of the camera. I still fall off on occasions but mostly I am holding well. It is easier for me to say I like it than saying I don't. And when it come to violence it shouldn't matter to us as long as their is good reason to have it included, such as war films, and, of course The Passion which simply had to be shown.
 
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The important thing is not to go to extremes. Being fanatical on both sides of the spectrum (watching all sick movies vs. not watching any movies at all) or (having narcissistic sexual tendencies vs. repressing all sexual tendencies) is neurotic either way. What's healthy is balanced living. Just note that insisting everyone conform to your way is already a sign of fanaticism and is a warning sign of beginning mental dysfunction.
 
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There is a lot of garbage out there, in film in regard to many area of life.

I don't always watch all the violence or any of the nudity or sex, if it can be avoided by closing my eyes or turning my head. I don't entirely discount movies if they have those things but if they focus on them, I do.
 
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How important is the purpose of the violence or sex? Meaning what is education verses simply entertainment?

In general, I've never really seen the point of a sex scene. I mean, once the two people kiss, go into the bedroom and close the door, I kinda get the point. Anymore, isn't going to help me understand the plot (or sex) better.

On the other hand, are times when things like extreme violence is needed to get the point across? I'm thinking of "Saving Private Ryan" in particluar. You can't really water down storming the beach on D-Day. I LEARNED something from that violence. I'm not sure if I would have it hadn't been so horrific.

Any thoughts?
 
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In general, I've never really seen the point of a sex scene. I mean, once the two people kiss, go into the bedroom and close the door, I kinda get the point. Anymore, isn't going to help me understand the plot (or sex) better.
You're right about that. In nearly all cases, sex scenes seem to be there just to titillate the audience or for shock value, not for a reason. In "Alexander" there seemed to be a point - he was showed kissing a man to express the culture in those times, and there was a rather brutal scene with his wife that portrayed his father's influence - but in most movies it doesn't seem it would make a difference if the scenes were deleted.
 
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