Question on Antipas in Reve 2:13

[LittleLambofJesus]

I have a question. Reve 2:13 shows someone named "antipas" being killed in Revelation and JESUS mentions where the throne of The Satan is. Reve 16:10 shows a Wrath being poured out on the Throne of the "wild-beast" and I would like to ask others views on where the Throne of The Satan and Wild-Beast are, and wouldn't this "antipas" have been killed in the same place the Wrath is being poured out in Reve 16? Thanks for any view on this.

Reve 2:12 "And to the messenger of the in pergamw <4010> Out-Called write! Now this is saying the one having the sword, the two-mouthed, the keen.
13 I have perceived thy works and where thou are dwelling, where the Throne/qronoV <2362> of the Satan, and thou are holding My name, and not disown the faith of Me, even in the days of Antipas/anti-paV <493>, the witness of Me, the faithful, who was killed beside ye, where the Satan is dwelling."

Reve 16:10 And the fifth one pours out the bowl of him upon the Throne/qronon <2362> of the wild-beast, and became the kingdom of it having been darkened and they gnawed the tongues of them out of the misery.

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7207091&page=4
Revelation Chapter 2 Verse by Verse

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Any views on where the Throne of the Satan was where antipas was killed?

Romans 16:20 The yet God of the Peace shall be crushing/sun-triyei <4937> the Satan under the feet of ye in swiftness/tacei <5034>. The grace of the Lord of us, Jesus Christ, with ye.

Reve 2:27 And he shall be sherpherding them in rod iron, as the vessels, the pottery is being crushed/sun-tribetai <4937> (5743) as also I have obtained beside the father of me. [Psalm 2:9/2 Tim 2:20]

 

[Thekla]

no views, just a note in my Bible:

Antipas, bishop of Pergamos was martyred (92 ad) by being burned alive within a metal bull.

Pergamos had a temple where the (living) Caesar was honored as a god.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

no views, just a note in my Bible:
Antipas, bishop of Pergamos was martyred (92 ad) by being burned alive within a metal bull.
Pergamos had a temple where the (living) Caesar was honored as a god.

Greetings Thekla. Then that would mean Revelation wasn't Visioned by John until after ad92.?
Is it possible that is not the "antipas" mentioned in revelation?

That name is only mentioned this one time and curiously it has the prefrix "anti" in it. Perhaps it is symbolic? Thoughts?

Antipas/anti-paV <493>,

493. Antipas an-tee'-pas contracted for a compound of 473 and a derivative of 3962; Antipas, a Christian:--Antipas.
473. anti an-tee' a primary particle; opposite, i.e. instead or because of (rarely in addition to):--for, in the room of. Often used in composition to denote contrast, requital, substitution, correspondence, etc.
3956. pas pas including all the forms of declension; apparently a primary word; all, any, every, the whole:--all (manner of, means), alway(-s), any (one), X daily, + ever, every (one, way), as many as, + no(-thing), X thoroughly, whatsoever, whole, whosoever.
494. Antipatris an-tip-at-rece' from the same as 493; Antipatris, a place in Palestine:--Antipatris.

I also question whether this name Clement in Phil 4:3 was the Clement mentioned by early ECFs.

http://christianforums.com/showthread.php?t=7265052&page=4
The Greek word for Clement in Phil 4:3

Phili 4:3 Yea I am asking also thee together-yoke! genuine! be thou helping them who-any in the Well-Message together-complete to-me with also/and clement/klh-mentoV <2815> and of the rests together-workers of me of whom the names in scroll of life.

Reve 17:14 These with the lamb-kin shall be battling, and the lamb-kin shall be conquering them. That Lord of Lords He is, and King of Kings. And the-ones with Him called-ones/klhtoi <2822> and chosen-ones/eklektoi <1588> and faithful-ones

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I also found this interesting while doing a study on the "seat of Moses" in Matt 23. This word "perga" is mentioned in Acts 13 and this form of the word for "sitting down" is used in Matt 23 and Reve 20:4. Interesting. Thoughts?

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Acts 13:14 They yet thru-coming from the perghV <4011> beside-became into Antioch the Pisidia, and entering into the Synagogue to the day of the Sabbaths, they are seated/ekaqisan <2523> (5656).

Reve 2:12 "And to the messenger of the in pergamw <4010> Out-Called

Reve 20:4 And I perceived thones and they are seated/ekaqisan <2523> (5656) upon them and judgement was given to them and the souls of the ones having been executed because of the testimony of Jesus

Matthew 23:2 Saying upon the Mose's seat/kaqedraV <2515> are-seated/ekaqisan <2523> the Scribes and the Pharisees.

 

[christianmomof3]

here is the footnote i found on antipas

133 In Greek Antipas means against all. Antipas, a faithful witness of the Lord, stood against all that the worldly church brought in and practiced. Hence, he became a martyr of the Lord. In Greek the word for martyr is the same as that for witness. Antipas, as an anti-witness, bore an anti-testimony, a testimony against anything that deviated from the testimony of Jesus. It must have been through his anti-testimony that in his days the church in Pergamos still held fast the Lord's name and did not deny the proper Christian faith.

http://online.recoveryversion.org/

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

So my questin remains. Is the Antipas that the Orthodox say was martyred the same one that is in Revelation, yes, no or maybe. That is really what I want views on and I would suppose that the Wrath is revelation is not just coming on Pergamos. Thanks.

Reve 2:12 "And to the messenger of the in pergamw <4010> Out-Called write! Now this is saying the one having the sword, the two-mouthed, the keen.
13 I have perceived thy works and where thou are dwelling, where the Throne/qronoV <2362> of the Satan, and thou are holding My name, and not disown the faith of Me, even in the days of Antipas/anti-paV <493>, the witness of Me, the faithful, who was killed beside ye, where the Satan is dwelling."

Reve 16:10 And the fifth one pours out the bowl of him upon the Throne/qronon <2362> of the wild-beast, and became the kingdom of it having been darkened and they gnawed the tongues of them out of the misery.

http://christianforums.com/showthrea...7207091&page=4
Revelation Chapter 2 Verse by Verse

 

[Thekla]

I do think the 'dominant' Orthodox view (ie, many but perhaps not all) is that this is the same St. Antipas ("the things that are.." Rev. 1:19). The Churches of Asia Minor were tested under the reign of Domitian and, of course, the surrounding culture's secularism and false teaching (as we all are). I have not been able to find out with certainty, but the Christian population of the area - of the seven Churches - were for some time under the Ottoman yoke and I think were pretty much wiped out by the early 20th.c., Smyrna's bishop being martyred and the Christians (largely Armenian and Greek)were killed or fled in 1922.

 

[squint]

Some interesting observations from a fellow URist

Where do we find them who "say they are apostles [of Jesus Christ] and are not?" Why, IN THE CHURCH (Rev. 2:2).

Where do we find them who have "left their first love?" Why, IN THE CHURCH (Rev. 2:4).

Where do we find them which "say they are [spiritual] Jews and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan?" Why, IN THE CHURCH (Rev. 2:9 & 3:9).

Where do we find "Satan’s seat [throne]?" Why, IN THE CHURCH (Rev. 2:13).

Where do we find "where Satan dwells?" Why, IN THE CHURCH (Rev. 2:13).

Where do we find "the doctrine of Balaam?" Why, IN THE CHURCH (Rev. 2:14).

Where do we find "them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I [Jesus] hate?" Why, IN THE CHURCH (Rev. 2:15).

Where do we find "that woman Jezebel, which calls herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication and to eat things sacrificed unto idols?" Why, IN THE CHURCH (Rev. 2:19).

Where do we find them that "have a name that you live, and are dead?" Why, IN THE CHURCH

Where do we find them that "are wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked?" Why, IN THE CHURCH (Rev. 3:17).

And were do we find "the DEPTHS of Satan?" Why, IN THE CHURCH, of course Rev. 2:24).

This Brothers conclusion?

"THE GREATEST DEPTH OF EVIL IS FOUND ONLY IN THE CHURCH"

So you ask "where Satan's SEAT is LLoJ?" How can you MISS it?

Satan's SEAT is IN mankind. One would have to be nearly BLIND to have missed that fact IN THE GOSPELs, and PARTICULARLY in "believers" BECAUSE they have had THE WORD sown IN THEM and THUSLY Satan ARRIVES on the scene to STEAL from the "hearts" and "minds." WHY do you think it is we are ALL so severely DIVIDED LLoJ?

Many think that Satan is going to SIT in Jerusalem in some external physical temple rebuilt by the Jews. Think again!

Lucifer was termed A MAN in the scriptures. THAT MAN is a MAN of SIN who SITS IN "the bodies and minds" of MANKIND! Therefore SATAN is "THE MAN OF SIN."

1 Cor. 3:
16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

1 John 3:
He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

2 Thess. 3:
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.


6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders

Who is Antipas? "LIKE THE FATHER."

He is LIKE THE FATHER because he is GOD'S CHILD. And GOD'S CHILD was killed in SATAN'S SEAT...his BODY, the BODY of Antipas.

The church of Pergamos is HEIGHT or ELEVATION...

The seat of LUCIFER?

Isaiah 14:
13For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation

Rev. 2:​

12 And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;
13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.
14 But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, (NOT OF THE PEOPLE) who taught Balac (a DEVASTATOR or SPOILER) to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication. 15 So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, (DESTROYER OF THE PEOPLE) which thing I hate.

Now look in YOUR congregation and SEE if you HEAR the voice of the DESTROYER OF THE PEOPLE...

You may be very surprised what voice may be IN YOUR OWN TEMPLE?

enjoy!

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