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Progoff Intensive Journal Method

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I know it would be good to take notes during the day when I think and experience and as you say process. It would be good for my personal life to. I love to clarify so many things that I don’t see all that is contained in daily activity. What it means, what the Lord says. It‘s life course changing or affirming. I pray this way too, but think it’s too selfish.
 
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I know it would be good to take notes during the day when I think and experience and as you say process. It would be good for my personal life to. I love to clarify so many things that I don’t see all that is contained in daily activity. What it means, what the Lord says. It‘s life course changing or affirming. I pray this way too, but think it’s too selfish.
Your life is a gift. Explore it.

I am into Narrative Medicine now also. It also involved writing about our experiences. There is evidence of its healing power.
 
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The type of processing with the Lord in prayer is very healing too. More so than a good nights sleep. But the Jesus has put so much into my healing in the past 21 years. I can trust him now that all things work together for good. I don’t need to do it as much now. I’m trying to wean myself away from it. I’m not so scared and I think people and other things need prayer more. I want to trust God and not give myself so much attention. Others need healing too. The rapture, the state of the world need it. I’ve lived quite long and there is so much stress in people etc. Praying for others makes me feel good too.
 
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The type of processing with the Lord in prayer is very healing too. More so than a good nights sleep. But the Jesus has put so much into my healing in the past 21 years. I can trust him now that all things work together for good. I don’t need to do it as much now. I’m trying to wean myself away from it. I’m not so scared and I think people and other things need prayer more. I want to trust God and not give myself so much attention. Others need healing too. The rapture, the state of the world need it. I’ve lived quite long and there is so much stress in people etc. Praying for others makes me feel good too.
And we all need to discern that self care/ other care balance. Jesus said he came to serve and yet he also took time away.
 
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Yes He probably had to figure out the fathers will somewhat at times with all the heavy emotions, rejection and threats to his life. Or he may have just overlooked them. He got in Gods presence often and everything went well,so. But for us it’s very useful to bounce all our heavy stuff off the Lord. As you say it seems to be a balance.
 
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In the interest of being fair to Proghoff, I pushed through the original poster's link and found this video:


Description: A college professor takes his viewers over Zoom and on YouTube through a Proghoff intensive journal exercise.

Based on this video and my college experience as an English major, the American writing professor has been wedded to this method. If I had a dime for every time I had been pushed through a intensive journal exercise - timed writing with a journal prompt - I would be rich indeed. The method in college classrooms has been divorced from its original philosophical and psychological context, leaving students to wonder the point of the exercise.

Now that I understand what I have gone through, I must say that this method is very neurotypical in its approach, a very command-and-control system of writing production and self-discovery. More accurately, identity manufacture. It is designed to produce writing that conforms to professorial and societal norms, without encouraging individual creativity. It finds what the professors want you to find in your life, extracts it, and asks you to identify with it. It's an agenda, an agenda that doesn't understand how human identity works.

Human identities are composed of actions. Choosing to associate with particular social group is an action. For example, I am a Christian and I choose to associate with the Church, the body of believers. However, my identity as a Christian is not merely composed of my association with that group, like those with the social construction of identity would like to believe. I also attempt to follow the teachings of Jesus and live my life in accordance with Scripture. Further, I will be a Christian even if I am alone in doing so; and I am part of many social groups that I was involuntarily placed into or that I choose to join out of need that aren't part of my identity.

Recently I have been forced to confront the reality that I probably have a form of autism called pathological demand avoidance, which means I do not do well with people demanding things of me. This writing method is unlikely to be useful in my case, as it is a professor making demand after demand of me for 45 minutes: write X for Y time. My mind is not made of demands, it is made of pathways. I assemble creative works from their component parts as they arrive as ideas in my skull.

However, collegiate writing professors, in their subscriptions to Proghoff and their host of neurotypical assumptions, aren't open to other methods of writing construction and assembly. They are unwilling to allow students to guide their minds through pathways of thought into new intellectual frontiers, so they command and control student writing and thought.

But for those who can't afford a college education in writing or it is otherwise inaccessible, it may be worth giving this journaling exercise a try and seeing if it is right for you. Your writing may improve considerably.
 
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This writing method is unlikely to be useful in my case, as it is a professor making demand after demand of me for 45 minutes: write X for Y time. My mind is not made of demands, it is made of pathways. I assemble creative works from their component parts as they arrive as ideas in my skull.
I think I understand. Maybe that is why I am not a consistent practitioner of the method. It can also seem pretty self involved. I think if used freely on ones own it can maybe be therapeutic for some issues. My journaling these day is mostly freestyle. I like to capture thoughts and feelings that would otherwise just pass into oblivion.
Thank you for your thoughts on this method.
 
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More accurately, identity manufacture. It is designed to produce writing that conforms to professorial and societal norms, without encouraging individual creativity.
I did not watch all the video but I did attend an Intensive Journal workshop many years ago. It did not seem like "identity manufacture" as much as identity exploration. There is also The Practice of Process Mediation. I will have a look at that also. But I read the book, get the idea and then do it myself. Not the recommended approach but works for me.
 
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I did not watch all the video but I did attend an Intensive Journal workshop many years ago. It did not seem like "identity manufacture" as much as identity exploration. There is also The Practice of Process Mediation. I will have a look at that also. But I read the book, get the idea and then do it myself. Not the recommended approach but works for me.
Hmm, that is an old post from me from back when I was still in secular college, which I found to be miserable and was looking for any insult to throw at professors to explain or justify my intense feelings of pain and suffering. “identity manufacture” sounds like one of those. I was suffering from CPTSD at the time, so :p.

The point of using Progoff's method in literary school is as a starting point to produce creative work such is poetry, characters/settings for stories, and personal opinions for which essays can be founded on. Because the secular environment of state college rejects the Christian identity outright, it definitely felt like I was manufacturing an identity that they could agree with. Not to mention the fact that they rejected the output of my mental illness as wrong and terrifying. I was pretending to be someone that I was not, and I was not doing a very good job at it, or rather negotiating constantly with my professors as to how much of my true self I was allowed to express and still pass their class.

However, in spite of situational foibles, there is a spiritual caution here, starting with the Goodreads page for The Practice of Process Mediation.

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I’m going to cite this page as evidence that Ira Progoff is an analyst of Jungian psychology, which is considered the basis for valid literary ideas. The most obvious example of this is the Hero’s Journey, which is commonly known even outside literary academia. The professor in the video two posts up explains the connection between the Jungian ideas and the journal prompt method, however (30:47) : the idea with the timer is to break through the layers of conscious mental processing to the subconscious to evoke creativity and creative processes. What "wells up" when you are focused on a prompt is useful; it’s supposed to jailbreak through mind’s tendencies to conformity, routine, and sin to look at the world in a new way. (Technically, I have a bachelor's degree in English now and am thus professionally qualified to assert that Progoff's Journal method is a reflection of Jungian psychology without citing the other professor, but fair's fair for Dr. Abrogast.)

Except, it’s all a lie because Jungian psychology is based on the lie that man is basically good. The idea is that, if we dig into the subconscious mind, we’ll find good stuff in there. Lifesaving innovations! Fantastic works of art and cultural significance! Improvements to the human quality of life! Higher profit margins!

This is not what Christianity teaches. It teaches that human beings are basically evil, and the only thing you’re going to find down there in subconscious land is a bunch of lies and sin nature garbage.

The problem is, for someone just doing Progoff or any journaling method, you will get results, but the answer is not because Jung is right, it's because of the Holy Spirit. When you dig the garbage out of your subconscious mind, the Holy Spirit can use the power of Scripture to deal with it. Therefore, ironically the journal methods are in obedience to Philippians 2:12 even though they don't technically work as intended. Evaluate any new ideas against Scripture (or other Catholic sources, in your case) before concluding that they are good; don't fall for the trap of concluding that garbage is roses like many of my fellow students did in college.

Generally speaking, innovative ideas do not come from journaling alone; they come from work, progress, and external evaluation by your fellow Christians. It's allowing the Holy Spirit to show you things as you move through the world.
 
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