Praying with Oil - annointing people and objects

[Sephania]

Would some of you give your insight into the use of "Annointing"oil, how you use it, blessings, prayers, healings, cleansing etc.

Thank You!

 

[Mark Downham]

Zayit

The use of oil in anointing people, placres and obkjects has "old testament paradigms" - which act as a form of prophetic symbolism -

Now the use of consecrated oil in itself has no soteriological or supernatural properties - that is medieval supernaturalism - you have to engage the express intentionality and trans-signification of FAITH AND BELIEF - communicated through the use of consecrated oil as a prophetic action - to understand the relationship between Binding and Loosing, Anointings, Commissioning, Ordaining -

There is a pneumatological-phenomenological shift involved in the use of consecrated oil - it becomes invested with His Presence - through your Faith and Belief in carrying out a prophetic action -

I will explain it in this way -

Wea re addressing and dealing with a communicative form of trans-signification of a prophetic-symbolic Heavenly and Spiritual reality in the movement from shadow to substance - an act of symbolic reification - engaged realities:

It is like this - I will quote from the Orthodox view on Symbolism and Sacraments by Fr. Chrysostom MacDonnell in his paper - "The Mysteries of the Kingdom - The Sacraments in Orthodox Life" - to discuss how I approach these types of realities -

For in Eastern Christianity a symbol is not a stand-in for what is absent, but the physical manifestation and evidence of its presence. The human face, for example, is the ‘symbol’, in this sense, of this or that particular human person; it is the outward image manifesting the inward reality, yet cannot be separated from it. In the same way, the sacraments are symbols of the grace they convey and in being consecrated from the very stuff of matter in this world, the sacramental elements, as symbols, manifest the truth about those elements, be they water and oil in Baptism; bread and wine in Communion; the crowns at marriage; whatever they be, once consecrated they not only bear a sacred power as means of grace, but moreover, point to the sacred nature of all matter, that once redeemed from the fall of creation by the action of the Holy Spirit and of Christ through his Church, begin to manifest the nature they had in the beginning and are to manifest as the future things.

I call this the outward and visible signs of an inward and spirtual work of grace. There are four words that are important in this quotation on symbols - they convey (transformative intercession); they bear (presence bearing as a form of prophetic declaration); they point (they act as a witness and testament) and they manifest (which is an expression of symbolic reification).

Another Orthodox Quote:

The Orthodox Church abounds with the use of symbols. These symbols are those realities which have the power and competence of manifesting God to men, signs which carry us beyond ourselves and themselves into the genuine union and knowledge of things eternal and divine.

I hold that this is in effect saying that Orthodox symbolic worship is a recognition of the invested power symbols have as a prophetic medium and that actually the process of being carried deeper is not actually a symbolic process but a form of substantive process - because if a symbol goes beyond itself it moves from shadow to substance.

For me the real nature of the prophetic is expressed in two ways:

Revelation. 19:10 'The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy'.

Colossians 1:17 'he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

This act of consistence is expressed prophecy - so when you engage the symbolic in say the Blood of Jesus on the Cross you are actually engaging an expression of the prophetic and the actual. I hold that hold that Consistence is Investiture - living and active investiture. So for me, the Symbolic and the Iconic are expressed forms of prophetic intercession and declaration and are engaged Heavenly realities.
If you are still struggling - then we will pray a prayer together which will open your mind and instill understanding.

Luke 24: 45-49.

45Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures. 46He told them, “This is what is written: The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, 47and repentance and forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48You are witnesses of these things. 49I am going to send you what my Father has promised; but stay in the city until you have been clothed with power from on high.”

You need to be clothed with power from on high - speak to Quaffer - she knows what to do.


Mark

 

[Mark Downham]

Signifiers become prophetically invested with Heavenly Substance or His Presence when Faith is applied:

Hebrews 11:1 (KJV) Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen

Mark

 

[Sephania]

I am shocked that no one but you wants to answer this post. I thought that Charasmatic churches did this? I must be wrong.

There is a thread here that people sign up to that claim they are Spirit Filled but none know about this?

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Then who is using all those annointing oils I see out there for sale?

 

[Sephania]

to anoint : To apply oil onto someone. When the ancients wanted to heal a wound, they poured or daubed oil onto it. Oil then became a symbol of God's healing powers, and anointment became a sign of trust that God heals. It is still a practice among some churches to anoint the sick with oil, as found in James 5:14-15. From there, oil became a symbol of other powers of God, and anointment became a ceremony marking the anointed person as being chosen or set aside to have special authority by God. The word 'Mashiach' or 'Messiah' refers to the ultimate One who was chosen to make the ultimate rescue of God's people; the Greek word for this is 'Christ'. The Christian holds that this Anointed One was Jesus of Nazareth. At baptism God 'anoints' each Christian with the Holy Spirit; we then belong to God. The Spirit then teaches us what is needed.

There is also a specialized use of the term 'anointing' by Pentecostal and Charismatic believers, an extension of the ceremonial use's meaning. When someone is said to be 'anointed', it means that the Spirit 'pours' onto them like oil -- that is, that person has been given special power by the Holy Spirit to work with the Spirit in accomplishing the task at hand. The 'anointed' person(s) or their activity is then said to be operating 'in the Spirit' and 'outside of themselves'. http://www.spirithome.com/defchura.html



I don't understand, are we not to do this?

 

[~RENEE~]

Zayit the oil is a symbol for some reason God uses symbols. It symbolizes His anointing. Yes I do use anointing oil. There is no power in the oil itself. I have anointed people, animals I've anointed my house my church. Just about anything that I pray over. I've used in spiritual warfare, praying for the sick.

 

[JimB]

I am shocked that no one but you wants to answer this post. I thought that Charasmatic churches did this? I must be wrong.

There is a thread here that people sign up to that claim they are Spirit Filled but none know about this?
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Then who is using all those annointing oils I see out there for sale?

Of course we know about anointing with oil. It just doesn’t hold the same fascination to us as it does to you. I have often wondered what our heavenly Father thinks when he sees his childish kids going around putting spots of oil on mirrors, doorposts, cars, the bosses desk (I’m not kidding), wallets, letters, lawnmowers, chairs, tables, pets, etc.

The Bible does NOT authorizes any such actions and, while it does have the appearance of being “biblical” (after all you can see them anointing with oil in the Bible, although it meant pouring a container of oil, not dabbing with oil), it is just an act (sometimes I think an act of desperation) to see spiritual movement.

I wonder, does God sometimes shake His head and roll His eyes at our antics.

And yes, the ritual has created a nice little cottage industry.

\o/

 

[StevenL]

Did you know that Smith Wigglesworth had a side business....selling Anointing Oil Bottles? He had his own brand, apparently. So it can't be all bad, huh?

 

[JimB]

Did you know that Smith Wigglesworth had a side business....selling Anointing Oil Bottles? He had his own brand, apparently. So it can't be all bad, huh?

I don’t know. I am not necessarily a fan of Wigglesworth.

\o/

 

[Trish1947]

I'm sorry Zayit.. I wasn't purposely ignoring your thread, honest, I just got tied up somewhere else..LOL.

Your discription of what oil represents certainly follows how I have come to understand it.

Yes, I use oil all the time, mostly on people. But once my husband and I were broke down in the middle of eastern Washington, if you have ever been there, there isn't anything for miles and miles, but waving wheat fields. I happen to have my oil with me, and after sitting there for at least two hours, and no one coming by, I got the oil out and layed hands on the hood of the car, and prayed. and guess what it started right up..and nothing else ever happened to the car after that. I don't know if the oil meant something, I just know that scriptures at least support the use of it. But at the time I wasn't sure about using it on a car.

 

[heartofheaven]

this was what the Lord had given me and a friend.for a friend that was going through a time of despair,one that was to leave her 'first love'(for Jesus)

Ezekiel 16 (I am not writing this whole passage,I will just write out a few ,to give you example)
When I saw you struggling in your own blood........I said to your blood,live! Then I washed you in water; yes I thoroughly washed off your blood,and I anointed you with oil.I clothed you in embroidered cloth,with fine linen,I adorned you with ornaments,bracelets,chains,jewel in your nose,beautiful crown on your head.Adorned with gold and silver,silk,you ate pastry of fine flour,honey and oil.YOur fame went out among the nations because of your beauty,for it was perfect through MY splendor which I had bestowed on you...saith the Lord God.
This woman we prayed for,and we poured the whole bottle of oil over her head so it ran down the rest of her,and all she could say is that she was healed from the oppresion she was under,it left, this is just an example of what the Lord used at one time for .our love for one of our friends,this is what He had put on our hearts for that time.He knows our struggles,and He knows our faith.....He also says that He pours in the oil and the wine for healing,and joy.

 

[Sephania]

Of course we know about anointing with oil. It just doesn’t hold the same fascination to us as it does to you. I have often wondered what our heavenly Father thinks when he sees his childish kids going around putting spots of oil on mirrors, doorposts, cars, the bosses desk (I’m not kidding), wallets, letters, lawnmowers, chairs, tables, pets, etc.

The Bible does NOT authorizes any such actions and, while it does have the appearance of being “biblical” (after all you can see them anointing with oil in the Bible, although it meant pouring a container of oil, not dabbing with oil), it is just an act (sometimes I think an act of desperation) to see spiritual movement.

I wonder, does God sometimes shake His head and roll His eyes at our antics.

And yes, the ritual has created a nice little cottage industry.

\o/

May I ask you Jim, what "facination" you assume I have? Someone asked me about this and I though that this was the place to come for help, I was obviously wrong. Yes, I can see the L-RD shaking his head, love one another............

 

[Sephania]

I'm sorry Zayit.. I wasn't purposely ignoring your thread, honest, I just got tied up somewhere else..LOL.

Your discription of what oil represents certainly follows how I have come to understand it.

Yes, I use oil all the time, mostly on people. But once my husband and I were broke down in the middle of eastern Washington, if you have ever been there, there isn't anything for miles and miles, but waving wheat fields. I happen to have my oil with me, and after sitting there for at least two hours, and no one coming by, I got the oil out and layed hands on the hood of the car, and prayed. and guess what it started right up..and nothing else ever happened to the car after that. I don't know if the oil meant something, I just know that scriptures at least support the use of it. But at the time I wasn't sure about using it on a car.

Thank you Trish for sharing that

I know someone who told me once that they were directed by the L-RD to go home with this couple who had newly come to their church ( AOG I believe it was) and they had asked for prayer for the husband because he was in his 20's but had lost all his hair. So they went home with them and prayed with them and the L-RD directed them to go through the house and to annoint certain things in the house with oil and pray over them. One of the things was a mirror and afterwards the couple told them it had belonged to someone else. They perceived that this man has somehow ( and I don't understand all the workings of the spiritual relm) had a spirit of vanity controling him, and the L-RD caused him to lose his hair because of it. My friend told me that 3 mnths later the couple came back to the church and she didn't even recognize him, he had a full head of hair and was full of praises for the L-RD!

Now my friend also told me not everything can be "cleansed" this way, but some things need to be burned.

I was just looking for help from those who have experience in this area.

Thank you again tRish!

 

[Wigglesworth]

. . . putting spots of oil on mirrors, doorposts, cars, the bosses desk (I’m not kidding), wallets, letters, lawnmowers, chairs, tables, pets, etc. . . .

I've done this often as a consecration - setting items apart for the Lord's service. One time, the Lord had me annoint all of the chairs in an auditorium in this way. Such application of oil has been practiced for hundreds of years in the church as a form of blessing. The Holy Spirit moves different people in different ways, and sometimes He tells people to do something nobody else has ever done before.

. . .

I wonder, does God sometimes shake His head and roll His eyes at our antics.

I'm sure He does, especially after He reads some of the posts in this forum.

 

[HumbleMan]

One night during chior practice, a lady felt God had spoken to her to annoint a certain pew with oil.

Two Sundays from that, a couple who hadn't been to church in some time came in and sat in that exact pew. By the end of the night, they were at the altar asking Christ to dwell within them. Was it the oil? Or was it the choir ladies faith and obedience to the nudge of God? I don't know. I just know that God was involved and two souls were saved.

 

[Nessie]

James 5:14- Is any among you sick? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord.

When someone in the church is sick, typically the pastor uses 100% pure olive oil, put it on his hand, puts his hand to the sick person's head, and prays for him. Often times the members of the congregation with lift their right hand toward the person, and pray for him/her as well. If the pastor is sick, or if he is unavailable, another elder in the church will do the anointing. It doesn't always have to be an elder either... some of my friends were at their place in the mountains once and a girl came down with a high fever... really high, and the ambulances could not make it out there (Idaho's great, isn't it?)... a guy, about 24 or so, anointed the girl and prayed over her, and he fever dropped almost immediately.

God gives some people the gift of healing, but we must remember that we are not the healers, God is. We just anoint and pray for the sick out of faith and obedience to God, that we may be healed.

 

[foursquareman]

We do it out of obediance, and as a symbol of what is actually happening, that is, the person being set apart and being given something from God.

 

[sweetrevival]

Zayit - an intercessor friend and I were led by the Lord to find a certain area around our community and claim it for the Lord. We had to anoint that area with oil, to introduce the Holy Spirit into it, as well as leave a small cross to claim it for and by Jesus as well.

 

[Christian Dude]

All I do is buy a big bottle of olive oil (or as my friend says "O- LIVE oil") and pray over it with whoever will pray over it and anoint it with me... if not I'll do it by myself... which is what I need to do soon.

 

[Praiser]

Zayit - Here's what I know about anointing oil. It is symbolic of Christ and His anointing also it is sybolic of Passover where the blood was smeared on the doors. I have seen a lot of good happen when anointing oil was applied by God's direction. Especially where healing is concerned. See Mark 6:13; James 5:14 Personally, I don't use oil unless I really sense the Lord urging me to. It is too easy to get into supersitions. It's not like it's magic or something! When He has directed me to use it, marvelous things have happened! Remember, God uses the foolish things to confound the wise. Come on, Jesus used spit and mud too!