Prayer to the Virgin Mary

[carabooT]

(never known to fail)
O most beautiful flower of Mt Carmel, fruit of the vine,Splenderous of heaven,Blessed Mother of the Son of God,immaculate Virgin, assist me in this my necessity, O Star of the Sea, help me and show me here in you are my Mother. O Holy Mary, Mother of God, Queen of Heaven and Earth, I humbly beseech you from the bottom of my heart to succour me in my necessity. There are none that can withstand your power, O show me here you are my Mother. O Mary conceived without sin pray for us who have recourse to thee (3 times),Holy Mary I place this cause in your hands (3 times). Thank you for your mercy towards me and mine. Amen.

This prayer must be said for three days and after that the request will be granted and the prayer must be published

This worked for me, I found it in the local paper.

 

[joey_downunder]

1. Why is someone with an anglican symbol posting a Catholic prayer?
2. Guaranteeing that a prayer will give wanted results is at best Magical_thinking. God does not HAVE to give us anything, He will answer our prayers if it is according to His will. We have to pray with right motives as well.

 

[Born to Watch]

Yeah and according to scripture Mary was just a woman who never answered any bodys prayer.
In fact scripture states clearly Jesus is the only person to pray to and was the only person to rise from the grave. Suggesting Mary is just a pile of dust somewhere.

If anybody wants to pray, pray to Jesus. Pray for forgiveness and love. Pray for Jesus mercy on this Earth.
This world has turned a corner and hell is emerging upon us all.

 

[carabooT]

Alright!

Firstly, please no flaming and negativity. I did it and it worked, why would I want to not follow the instructions.

Secondly, I used to belong to a interdenominational charismatic prayer group and I was most impressed with two Roman Catholic ladies' faith, I am open minded so maybe they know more than we do. I had also seen this prayer numerous times so something must be going on.

Agreed we should pray but mostly be kind to one another as this is what God would have wanted. If it is within God's will the prayer will be answered - this is my understanding of the scriptures.

Caraboot

 

[Worldslaziestbusker]

Alright!
If it is within God's will the prayer will be answered

This is a different claim to the originally stated, "never known to fail." Why the change from absolute certainty to this conditional version?

 

[Migdala]

(never known to fail)
O most beautiful flower of Mt Carmel, fruit of the vine,Splenderous of heaven,Blessed Mother of the Son of God,immaculate Virgin, assist me in this my necessity, O Star of the Sea, help me and show me here in you are my Mother. O Holy Mary, Mother of God, Queen of Heaven and Earth, I humbly beseech you from the bottom of my heart to succour me in my necessity. There are none that can withstand your power, O show me here you are my Mother. O Mary conceived without sin pray for us who have recourse to thee (3 times),Holy Mary I place this cause in your hands (3 times). Thank you for your mercy towards me and mine. Amen.

This prayer must be said for three days and after that the request will be granted and the prayer must be published

This worked for me, I found it in the local paper.

God is our Father, and Jesus is our Lord and Savior-the ONLY Mediator between God and man. (1 Timothy 2:5) There is nowhere in the Bible that commands us to pray to a dead woman, whether she is Jesus' mother or not. If we were supposed to pray to her, Jesus would have told us to, don't you think? Paul didn't even tell us to either, nor did any of the disciples. To pray a repetitive prayer over and over to someone and promise that it's going to come true is nothing more than idolatry and witchcraft. You cannot "predict" if a prayer is going to come true, even if it is something prayed according to God's Will-it's by His mercy and grace that our prayers are answered in the first place-not because we pray to Jesus' dead mother over and over, making promises that it's going to come true! Reminds me of a chain letter almost....."pray this prayer over and over and everything will come true-and don't forget to forward it to 10 people while you're at it!"

Mary is dead and buried, but JESUS is alive!!

 

[Incariol]

God is our Father, and Jesus is our Lord and Savior-the ONLY Mediator between God and man. (1 Timothy 2:5) There is nowhere in the Bible that commands us to pray to a dead woman, whether she is Jesus' mother or not. If we were supposed to pray to her, Jesus would have told us to, don't you think? Paul didn't even tell us to either, nor did any of the disciples. To pray a repetitive prayer over and over to someone and promise that it's going to come true is nothing more than idolatry and witchcraft. You cannot "predict" if a prayer is going to come true, even if it is something prayed according to God's Will-it's by His mercy and grace that our prayers are answered in the first place-not because we pray to Jesus' dead mother over and over, making promises that it's going to come true! Reminds me of a chain letter almost....."pray this prayer over and over and everything will come true-and don't forget to forward it to 10 people while you're at it!"

Mary is dead and buried, but JESUS is alive!!

Mark 12:27 He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. You are badly mistaken!"

LOL

The poor attitude everyone is showing towards the OP is unfortunate.

 

[Born to Watch]

Alright!

Firstly, please no flaming and negativity. I did it and it worked, why would I want to not follow the instructions.

Secondly, I used to belong to a interdenominational charismatic prayer group and I was most impressed with two Roman Catholic ladies' faith, I am open minded so maybe they know more than we do. I had also seen this prayer numerous times so something must be going on.

Agreed we should pray but mostly be kind to one another as this is what God would have wanted. If it is within God's will the prayer will be answered - this is my understanding of the scriptures.

Caraboot

Your understanding of scriptures.
Please tell me what that consists of, praying to somebody other than Jesus.
Get that teaching from a Charismatic prayer group or somebody elses teachings.
Dear girl you are walking a very fine line and a few people here are warning you of praying to spirits and its dangers.
The SCRIPTURES teach Jesus and the Father and the Holy Spirit make up the Godhead, not a woman named Mary.
Please dont suggest that chants and publishing letters move God, its absurd.
You cant place God in your pocket. He is no lucky charm for people like you to rub his belly and expect.
Be grateful even in trials. Go read the book of Habakkuk and see what real faith in God is all about.

 

[Worldslaziestbusker]

My "attitude" towards her has nothing to do with pointing out to her where she is wrong. I would want someone to do the same for me. I welcome her here, but I'm still going to tell her the truth about Jesus. To not do it when I know the TRUTH myself is to agree with her pretty much.

I agree with this sentiment, but not with you, as I take my skepticism about the matter further, and question not only the divinity of Mary, but the existence of god.
An omnipotent being, a concept rife with potential for paradoxes itself, by definition, must be singular, as two or more all powerful beings would tread on one another's toes in terms of almightiness, so for Mary to have special powers, she must be subordinate to god, but many people pray to her ahead of anyone else regardless. And what of the trinity. One thing cannot be three things, which is why numbers other than one were invented - Three: for those times when one and two just aren't up to the task. I realise there's scope for someone to pull me up on the fact that the word trinity never appears in the Bible (nor does the word omnipotent) but that hasn't stopped theologians writing extensively on the matter of the father, son and holy ghost being three things that are one thing and one thing that is also three things. This is polytheism. The analogy that water can be three things - ice, water and steam - doesn't hold unless someone knows of a case wherein the three states occur at once in the same parcel of molecules.
Add to this mix of three gods and a Mary, an evil doer no-one seems able to stop, who must therefore be more powerful than any other beings in the pantheon, and angels of varying powers and a voice of god who is independent of god, and you've got five powerful gods on the go at once with second and third tiers of demi-gods to give any of the self acknowledged polytheistic religions a run for their money.
What prevents your skepticism about Mary stopping there? What boundary makes claims about Mary ridiculous to you, but prevents you questioning other religious claims? For that matter, why do you and all other christians reject the central claims of islam, but not those of christianity?

 

[joey_downunder]

Worldslaziestbusker, this is an example of where an added doctrine or emphasis of one particular doctrine distorted Christian teachings so badly that the person's eyes are taken off God and put onto another person/issue completely.

It's like a Dawkin's devotee suddenly agreeing with some aspects of Intelligent Design on an evolution forum. All the other scientismists would confront him.

 

[Worldslaziestbusker]

Worldslaziestbusker, this is an example of where an added doctrine or emphasis of one particular doctrine distorted Christian teachings so badly that the person's eyes are taken off God and put onto another person/issue completely.

It's like a Dawkin's devotee suddenly agreeing with some aspects of Intelligent Design on an evolution forum. All the other scientismists would confront him.

I don't see your example as analogous. People debating evolution and intelligent design are talking about something concrete. The diversity of life can be observed - and an answer to the question of how that diversity came about will exist, and could be knowable.
Discussing whether or not a woman is interceding in the actions of a deity because of prayers or simply existing in an afterlife is to dispute two hypotheses about something for which we only have stories to go on. Whether or not the woman in question existed, whether or not they were a virgin who gave birth to an incarnate deity, and what they have been up to since death cannot be known with the evidence at hand. That is why I asked by what method people work out where they draw their line in the religious sand. If you accept Jesus' divinity on the evidence available, why do you not accept that of Mary, for which a similarly compelling case can be made?
If a person accepts both as divine on the evidence available, what is it that makes them denounce the third covenant of islam, or the third testament of mormonism as apocraphyl? They are younger faiths, but every bit as compelling as those for which no compelling supporting evidence can be shown.

 

[Born to Watch]

Just love a good preaching at, by an atheist.
You are more than welcome to support these beliefs of yours or disbeliefs as the case may be.
Come on mate, preaching at people?

 

[Worldslaziestbusker]

Hello BTW
My position of rejecting unsupported supernatural claims is valid for all religions, so there is no arbitrary line in the religious sand for me to defend.
A sermon tells people what to think. A question mark encourages them to think. I ask questions and not many religious people are able to answer them to my or their satisfaction. You tend to get around the problem with grandiose proclamations about my alleged future fate in hell, and fail to address the questions at all, though I find it heartening that you refer to me as a mate. Has your previous antipathy toward me, most vividly exemplified by offers referring to a sword, softened with time?

You have asked a question in the theology section regarding whether or not atheists can have morals. I'm not allowed to post in that section, but would you like me to start a thread in the Au/NZ section to discuss the matter together?

 

[joey_downunder]

People debating evolution and intelligent design are talking about something concrete.

That is an example of a theory being taken as fact BY FAITH, especially by atheists/anti-theists. Now back to original topic....

That is why I asked by what method people work out where they draw their line in the religious sand. If you accept Jesus' divinity on the evidence available, why do you not accept that of Mary, for which a similarly compelling case can be made?

That kind of question is definitely showing your lack of knowledge where it comes to Christian theology and the Bible. Catholics are definitely Christian. This is an example of what Catholics add to Christianity because of the Catholic Church's TRADITION with no Biblical basis at all. No teachings on prayers to saints or Mother Mary anywhere in the Bible. If you actually read the Bible for yourself you will see that's true.

 

[Catherineanne]

Mary is dead and buried, but JESUS is alive!!

There is no such thing in all creation as a dead Christian. There are Christians in eternity, and Christians on earth, but there are no dead ones.

Our Lord's mother was assumed into heaven following her death, which means that her body was taken into heaven to be with her son. Therefore, she may well be dead, in our terms, but she is not dead in eternal terms and she is not buried.

The OP simply wanted to honour Our Lady for listening to his prayers, and passing his petition to her Son. There is nothing wrong with that, and he is right to give thanks where it is due.

Marian devotion is not restricted to Roman Catholics; any Christian is free to give honour to Our Lady as the mother of Our Lord, and to regard her as our mother, every bit as much as she was mother of St John. In giving her to the beloved disciple, the Lord gave her to each one of us.

 

[Catherineanne]

(never known to fail)
O most beautiful flower of Mt Carmel, fruit of the vine,Splenderous of heaven,Blessed Mother of the Son of God,immaculate Virgin, assist me in this my necessity, O Star of the Sea, help me and show me here in you are my Mother. O Holy Mary, Mother of God, Queen of Heaven and Earth, I humbly beseech you from the bottom of my heart to succour me in my necessity. There are none that can withstand your power, O show me here you are my Mother. O Mary conceived without sin pray for us who have recourse to thee (3 times),Holy Mary I place this cause in your hands (3 times). Thank you for your mercy towards me and mine. Amen.

This prayer must be said for three days and after that the request will be granted and the prayer must be published

This worked for me, I found it in the local paper.

Well said, C, and thanks be to God.

Don't worry about those who do not understand. Plenty of others do.

God be with you.

 

[Catherineanne]

1. Why is someone with an anglican symbol posting a Catholic prayer?
2. Guaranteeing that a prayer will give wanted results is at best Magical_thinking. God does not HAVE to give us anything, He will answer our prayers if it is according to His will. We have to pray with right motives as well.

It is not magical to say that any given prayer will always be heard. Prayers are heard through Grace, not magic.

Catholic teaching is that Our Lady always hears our prayers, and that she then intercedes for us with Christ. It does not teach that as a result we always get what we want, only that the intercession always happens.

The pattern for this is the Wedding at Cana. Even when Our Lord was not minded himself to act, he listened to his mother. And even when he said to her that it was not the right time, she then told those around her to do what he said. This is always the message of Our Lady; she always instructs those who come to her to do as her son says. There is no Marian devotion outside this instruction, which is why it is safe for anyone who wants to to approach Christ through his mother, or directly. They are the same. The difference is only that Our Lady is closer in proximity to God than we are, and that when she adds her prayers to ours, the effect is the same as having other believers adding their prayers to ours, only more so. Our Lady's example is one of complete obedience to God. When we honour her, we seek to emulate that obedience.

At Cana the bystanders were told to do as the Lord told them. They then did that, and the result was the Lord's first miracle. This is the pattern. We approach Our Lady, she tells us to do what the Lord tells us - in other words to obey him as she does - and the Lord himself then chooses whether to act, and how.

There is no need to huff and puff about magic, therefore.

 

[joey_downunder]

Hi CatherineAnne, all that you explain is Catholic teaching. There is no Biblical verses or passages that state clearly Mary ascended into Heaven.

 

[Aces High]

I find it laughable that some people are trying to imply that Catholics are not Christians. Let's put it this way, the Orthodox and Catholic churches are 99.99% similar, for the most part, the Anglican and Lutheran Churches are also similar to Catholicism to a lesser extent. So for the sake of brevity when I say Catholic here, I refer to the Orthodox churches as well because of the incredible similarity.

The Bible, yes that includes that Bible there you have at home, is there because of the work of Catholicism well before Protestantism came about. It was preserved, written and handed down by translators and monks working tirelessly handwriting copies of the Bible until presses made it more convenient. Whether or not you agree with the theology of Catholicism is another issue, but to have the audacity to claim it's not Christian is just pure ignorance on your part. The very Bible most of you are running around with is a direct result of the work of Catholics across millennia.

 

[Aces High]

Hi CatherineAnne, all that you explain is Catholic teaching. There is no Biblical verses or passages that state clearly Mary ascended into Heaven.

There's a few problems here. So because something is not stated clearly does it mean it's untrue? Also, what is "clearly"? Which language are we talking about, or are we talking about individual interpretation?

Eitherway, these are all faulty lines of reasoning to be using.

It's true that there is no explicit mention of Mary being assumed into Heaven, but neither is there an explicit mention of the Trinity. Neither does the Bible explicitly or clearly mention that one must use "scripture alone" - sola scriptura. As is evident, this kind of argumentation is going to get both sides nowhere.

There are plenty of other points that people take for granted that's not explicitly mentioned in the Bible, but it is taken as true. I'm not going to go into here about the Assumption of Mary, as that can be done in your spare time with Google, but I just wanted to point out the errors in your train of thought here.

Furthermore, the Assumption of Mary was only formally promulgated in the 1950's, but the idea was held for well over 1600 years within the Catholic church, Orthodox, Oriental, and parts of Anglicanism.