Posting bible verses to hurt others or gain attention? Is that a sin?

zoidar · Jul 21, 2019

baptistgirl21 said:
I don't know why I am like this but I will sometimes intentionally post a bible verse on facebook, knowing it will offend a friend, and enjoy their reaction.
I feel guilty for even wanting to post bible verses. I tell myself that I need to quit posting them if I'm not going to post it for the right reason. But then people will start to wonder "has she backslid?". I like posting bible verses to my page but the dark side of me wants to do it to cause conflict with a friend, who is very very rude. What should I do? And is this a sin?

It's the fallen nature that makes you enjoy hurting a friend. There is a cure for this and that is Jesus. He can set you free from that desire. Seek Him whole heartly.

Christ love!

Sketcher · Jul 21, 2019

baptistgirl21 said:
I don't know why I am like this but I will sometimes intentionally post a bible verse on facebook, knowing it will offend a friend, and enjoy their reaction.
I feel guilty for even wanting to post bible verses. I tell myself that I need to quit posting them if I'm not going to post it for the right reason. But then people will start to wonder "has she backslid?". I like posting bible verses to my page but the dark side of me wants to do it to cause conflict with a friend, who is very very rude. What should I do? And is this a sin?

"All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work." - 2 Tim 3:16-17

If your motive is not to do any of those but to hurt, yes that is sin. When Satan tempted Jesus with Scripture in the desert (Matthew 4:6) his motives were not among them. Jesus knows what he wants to do:

"The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly." - John 10:10

Whereas God is love, and all about love (1 John 4:7-21).

Therefore, even painful truths must be posted out of love, never out of malice. Posting the truth out of malice is essentially posting a lie, because people will see through to the malice.

I therefore cannot emphasize enough that you need to do business with God and repent. To Him, and to her.

fhansen · Jul 21, 2019

genez said:
It does not say... God loves. It says? God is love. Big difference.

Even the torments of the Lake of Fire came from the God who IS love.

God does not tolerate ignorance nor legalism.

Here is the God who is love in action... Heb 12:5-7

5 And have you [completely] forgotten the divine word of appeal
and encouragement in which you are reasoned with and addressed
as sons? My son, do not think lightly or scorn to submit to the
correction and discipline of the Lord, nor lose courage and give up
and faint when you are reproved or corrected by Him;

6 For the Lord corrects and disciplines everyone whom He loves,
and He punishes, even scourges, every son whom He accepts
and welcomes to His heart and cherishes.

7 You must submit to and endure [correction] for discipline; God is
dealing with you as with sons. For what son is there whom his father
does not [thus] train and correct and discipline?

Please read that several times.

The world has transformed Christianity into a convenience store.

If God has his way with us? Its going to be a time of suffering before he can correct us, and then allow us to be made free in the freedom the Spirit He wants us to walk in.

Many despise the true discipline of God, and wish for God to treat them as a doting parent. God wants us to grow up, not remain little children.

Does a parent treat his adult child the same way he treated him as when a young child? No.

Most Christians refuse to grow up. Everything has to be on their terms. Its my kind of loving,or its not to be heard! They protect themselves from the pain that God would inflict to get us to stop lying to ourselves. God wants to see a new person in Christ. Not a religious person. Many fail to see that.

So be it.

Hmm. Ok, God is love. But God doesn't love. Right. If we understand that everything He does is consistent with love, even chastising His people and punishing the wicked, then we better understand Him. It simply has to do with the "knowledge of God". What God does is driven by who He is, and as you say, He is love.

I sympathize with the frustration over those who want to conceive of God as a celestial sugar daddy, which He is not. He's a God of justice who will not allow good and evil to coexist eternally. But this, as well, is based on His goodness, on His love, on who He is.

Hazelelponi · Jul 21, 2019

@baptistgirl21

I have never but once or twice posted anything scriptural on my Facebook page and I'm certain no one thinks I'm backslidden - and IF someone did it would be their problem and not mine.

Wearing your faith on your sleeve is practicing your religion for man so that you will be seen and praised... its not for God - and that makes it a sin..

Matthew 6:1
"Beware of practicing your righteousness before men to be noticed by them; otherwise you have no reward with your Father who is in heaven."

It's not a new issue.. men have always done this and God has never been happy with it. So stop.

Your faith is something in your heart, and those who your around will be able to see or experience that heartfelt love and faith in God.. they can feel Christ through you, and it's not superficial and falsehoods like posting Bible verses to cause strife is.

Just, my goodness stop. Ask God for forgiveness and stop this behavior.

GenemZ · Jul 21, 2019

fhansen said:
Hmm. Ok, God is love. But God doesn't love.

That's not what I said. God's love is far greater than mere human love. Some folks demand that we love according to how they naturally understand love. That's where conflicts arise. A person can become reactionary in thinking another is not walking in love, when in fact he is.

There are basically two dimensions that a believer can walk in.

One is to walk in ones emotions and personal perspective and reinforce how they feel by utilizing verses to lock into stone how they want things to be. They create a christ around their personal desire. 2 Tim 4:3, warns the church that there will be many teachers who will seek and cater to this kind of thinking. Not a few teachers. Paul said, "many."

3 For the time will come when people will not put up
with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires,
they will gather around them a great number of teachers
to say what their itching ears want to hear."

That's what we have today. If a believer wants to believe (erroneously) something that the Bible addresses? Just seek, and soon enough, he will find someone to tell him what he wants to hear.

In contrast to the many differing unsound teachers we find today? Many teaching people things they enjoy and want to hear?

James warned. Warned that if God the Holy Spirit had His way with the body of Christ?

That we should only find a few teachers amongst us. Not, like we see today with many teaching and catering to the desires of carnal believers. Not, many teaching, what many believers will naturally want to hear. But, only a few teaching what we NEED to hear.

Not many of you should become teachers,
my fellow believers, because you know that
we who teach will be judged more strictly." Jms 3:1

One type of dimension some believers walk in is the result of having a transformed mind. Transformation which is the fruit of being corrected and taught doctrine soundly. This kind of believer will be misunderstood by carnal Christians at times. Because? God's ways and thoughts, are not our ways and thoughts. These carnal ones walk in their emotions with the Word of God misapplied as to yield to their self righteousness.

So be it.

God gives men love so they can better understand that God does not hate them when corrections must come. The corrections are sometimes perceived as attacks from Satan when sound doctrine is not taught and applied.

grace and peace...

fhansen · Jul 21, 2019

Um, ok.

ChicanaRose · Jul 21, 2019

baptistgirl21 said:
I don't know why I am like this but I will sometimes intentionally post a bible verse on facebook, knowing it will offend a friend, and enjoy their reaction.
I feel guilty for even wanting to post bible verses. I tell myself that I need to quit posting them if I'm not going to post it for the right reason. But then people will start to wonder "has she backslid?". I like posting bible verses to my page but the dark side of me wants to do it to cause conflict with a friend, who is very very rude. What should I do? And is this a sin?

Have you thought about taking a break from the very medium that causes this temptation? You can place on your status: "Taking some time off for spiritual reflection. Will be back in _____weeks."

You can take this time to fast and pray, to ask God for guidance and strength to overcome your weakness.

ChicanaRose · Jul 21, 2019

baptistgirl21 said:
I don't know why I am like this but I will sometimes intentionally post a bible verse on facebook, knowing it will offend a friend, and enjoy their reaction.

You say you don't know why you engage in this behavior. I do not know either, but you may want to explore psychological causes as well as the spiritual.

FutureAndAHope · Jul 21, 2019

baptistgirl21 said:
I don't know why I am like this but I will sometimes intentionally post a bible verse on facebook, knowing it will offend a friend, and enjoy their reaction.
I feel guilty for even wanting to post bible verses. I tell myself that I need to quit posting them if I'm not going to post it for the right reason. But then people will start to wonder "has she backslid?". I like posting bible verses to my page but the dark side of me wants to do it to cause conflict with a friend, who is very very rude. What should I do? And is this a sin?

Paul said that he had been entrusted his stewardship of the word for the "building up, and encouragement of the church, not it's pulling down". The same is said of the usage of Spiritual Gifts, 1Co 12:7 To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good.

Although there may come a time where a person needs a hard word, generally the words we give should always be encouraging. The bible actually says that we are to correct people "in a spirit of gentleness", so even correction should be gentle.

The fact that you are using the bible like a weapon against others, is not good at all. The disciples were rebuked at one point for acting in the wrong spirit. Although you are a disciple of Jesus you must watch your heart to ensure you don't act incorrectly. You should definitely stop using the bible as a weapon, and rather pray for your friends.

Because the bible says "it is the goodness of the LORD that lead one to repentance", not the judgment of the LORD.

bèlla · Jul 23, 2019

The Body has many parts. We’ve been equipped for our position and mission the Lord has given to us each.

When we’re sick we need to see someone who specializes in our problem if our physician can’t address it. We’re no different. Some problems are beyond our capacity or we lack the maturity and gifting to address it fully.

Her rudeness would not offend someone walking in mercy or the person gifted for exhortation and counsel. If you’re bothered and getting upset that isn’t a sign to speak. It is a sign to slow down and get with God before you say something you can’t take back.

Mistakes will happen. We try to help. But we must be willing to reach out to others and bring in reinforcements when needed. Seeing that person healed and bettered is loving. But we must see the other as He does to truly help.

GenemZ · Jul 23, 2019

LaBèlla said:
The Body has many parts. We’ve been equipped for our position and mission the Lord has given to us each.

When we’re sick we need to see someone who specializes in our problem if our physician can’t address it. We’re no different. Some problems are beyond our capacity or we lack the maturity and gifting to address it fully.

Her rudeness would not offend someone walking in mercy or the person gifted for exhortation and counsel. If you’re bothered and getting upset that isn’t a sign to speak. It is a sign to slow down and get with God before you say something you can’t take back.

Mistakes will happen. We try to help. But we must be willing to reach out to others and bring in reinforcements when needed. Seeing that person healed and bettered is loving. But we must see the other as He does to truly help.

We have in the body of Christ its civilian population consisting of believers with all their specialties and gifts from God. And, as well. Having a military segment within the body.

The military segment is usually the most misunderstood. God even has his special forces within the Body of Christ....They may go undetected but their results will someday be seen and realized.

"Join with me in suffering, like a good soldier of Christ Jesus.
No one serving as a soldier gets entangled in civilian affairs,
but rather tries to please his commanding officer. Similarly,
anyone who competes as an athlete does not receive the
victor’s crown except by competing according to the rules.
The hardworking farmer should be the first to receive a
share of the crops.

Reflect on what I am saying, for the Lord will give you insight
into all this." 2 Tim 2:3-7

Self inflicted harm comes to us when the civilian Christians in the body of Christ do not realize that there are others who are also being filled with the Spirit, who have been called to be soldiers for Christ. They fight the good fight tough. At times the civilian population in its naivete, will hinder the protection God would want to provide them.

Because? The non combatant types have learned to demand to to see warmth, niceness, and approval at all times before they will listen. Where is the tough love today, like a parent has for a child when need be?... Tough love is when the body needs correction from its own ignorance and sentimental leanings. Leanings that will get them in trouble resulting in having their freedoms stolen from them.

This is, and has been the problem with Christians who have grown up in a time of great prosperity and security. They do not see a need for what is needed.

bèlla · Jul 23, 2019

genez said:
The non combatant types have learned to demand to to see warmth, niceness, and approval at all times before they will listen.

You can be direct and loving without bashing someone’s head in. More importantly, without the Holy Spirit’s prompting you need to taste your words when you’re in battle mode. Especially in this setting.

Tough love is when the body needs correction from its own ignorance and sentimental leanings. Leanings that will get them in trouble resulting in having their freedoms stolen from them.

Who are you fighting? Man or Satan? Our battle is not against flesh and blood.

GenemZ · Jul 23, 2019

LaBèlla said:
You can be direct and loving without bashing someone’s head in.

Yes... I was not bashing.

Some do here what is like what the media does with President Trump. They misconstrue, and have others miss what was being said, and now convinced he meant what he did not say.

Who are you fighting? Man or Satan? Our battle is not against flesh and blood.

Please? Quote what others think I said, and let me explain what I was saying. Everyone is running with an assumption.

What some don't know. Is the one who made that conjecture about me was holding a grudge that was carried over from another thread.

bèlla · Jul 23, 2019

genez said:
Yes... I was not bashing.

Some do here what is like what the media does with President Trump. They misconstrue, and have others miss what was being said, and now convinced he meant what he did not say.

Mistakes happen. I don’t readily assume they’re intentional. Unless there’s a pattern with the individual which points in that direction. In those instances, I stop engaging with them.

I don’t know what took place on the other thread. But I do know there’s never an excuse for an absence of courtesy and decorum. Irrespective of setting.

GenemZ · Jul 23, 2019

LaBèlla said:
Mistakes happen. I don’t readily assume they’re intentional. Unless there’s a pattern with the individual which points in that direction. In those instances, I stop engaging with them.

I don’t know what took place on the other thread. But I do know there’s never an excuse for an absence of courtesy and decorum. Irrespective of setting.

Look at the OP. Have you seen her post any more in this thread? No. It could have been a troll to stir up what we now see here. I confronted and asked her for specifics as to avoid what took place. That is? Letting everyone's imagination take them where they went.

Unless she comes back and explains what was said by her friend? What the the other person was doing this for? Its a troll OP potentially.

Yet, some are quick to give generic, talking points- advice. Without even finding out what actually took place! Its become like creative writing class in school.

And.. like it , or not. Some believers function in religion, not spirituality. Their emotions rule. They remain blind to the voice of the Spirit. These ones are always quick with their advice. Even if they do not know the details needed before any advice can be given.

That was my contention. Then, the poison was planted in name of righteousness. And, the same kind of knee jerk responses began against me, just like the knee jerk responses began with the OP who was vague and leaving way too much up to the imagination.

GenemZ · Jul 23, 2019

LaBèlla said:
Mistakes happen. I don’t readily assume they’re intentional. Unless there’s a pattern with the individual which points in that direction. In those instances, I stop engaging with them.

I don’t know what took place on the other thread. But I do know there’s never an excuse for an absence of courtesy and decorum. Irrespective of setting.

Courtesy is good. But, its not always called for.

When it is made to be that way? It becomes political correctness. No more led of the Spirit. That is a trap of the devil that keeps Christians locked in and never allowed to act like the Bible shows Spirit filled believers will behave at times when the Spirit in them so moves.

Its a trick in getting Christians to call God the Devil. Or, the flesh. Satan is a deceiver. Unless you know the Word with great alacrity? He will deceive those who wish to live by a formula.

There is no formula other than to learn more and more truth so that one can see the situation through the Mind of Christ. We have been given the Mind of Christ. God wants us to learn to use it in depth. Not with churchianity as we see too often today.

2 A time to give birth and a time to die;
A time to plant and a time to uproot what is planted.
3 A time to kill and a time to heal;
A time to tear down and a time to build up.
4 A time to weep and a time to laugh;
A time to mourn and a time to dance.
5 A time to throw stones and a time to gather stones;
A time to embrace and a time to shun embracing.
6 A time to search and a time to give up as lost;
A time to keep and a time to throw away.
7 A time to tear apart and a time to sew together;
A time to be silent and a time to speak.
8 A time to love and a time to hate;
A time for war and a time for peace.

We need the Word to be loved and understood. Hunger for more and more! When we do? Nothing will offend us.

Courtesy is good.

ChicanaRose · Jul 23, 2019

genez said:
Unless she comes back and explains what was said by her friend? What the the other person was doing this for? Its a troll OP potentially.

The OP has explicitly stated that she enjoys seeing the reaction of the people who offended her. I don't know whether or not this kind of pleasure is restricted to the people who offended her. But I have avoided emotional "reaction" towards her post to be on the safe side.

You do have the right to ask for clarification, as it is out of genuine concern for the person asking for help. But I don't plan on posting further advice unless she responds.

GenemZ · Jul 23, 2019

"Great peace have those who love Your law . . .
and 'there is not a stumbling-block to them
nothing shall offend them'. (Ps 119:165)

Mini sermon....

Great peace is inner happiness and stability based on Bible doctrine results in having a relaxed mental attitude. An inner life that come from the intake and application of God's Word to experience.

The mental attitude sins of others that are spewed in your direction are not taken to heart. People's compliments are also not taken to heart, so approbation lust is also rejected.

It is only the comparison of yourself to God that matters - And, compared to Him? We know we are nothing and He is everything.

People get upset way too easy because they take themselves way too seriously. They neglect the intake of sound Bible teachings that are needed to advance and become such a relaxed person in the face of social pressures that come from the world. That is what it means by 'worldliness.'

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GenemZ · Jul 23, 2019

ChicanaRose said:
The OP has explicitly stated that she enjoys seeing the reaction of the people who offended her. I don't know whether or not this kind of pleasure is restricted to the people who offended her. But I have avoided emotional "reaction" towards her post to be on the safe side.

You do have the right to ask for clarification, as it is out of genuine concern for the person asking for help. But I don't plan on posting further advice unless she responds.

It was a made up story?

Unless we are told specifics it just a gossip column.

She planted the post. Then zoomed away!

Have we seen her since?

Has she answered our questions?

Maybe her church is highly legalistic and her friend appeared rude because she saw the OP as being outside of grace. Legalistic churches illicit such a reaction.

We just don't know., Therefore, to give advice in this case? One needs to address their own presumption.

How can that be good advice?

bèlla · Jul 23, 2019

genez said:
Look at the OP. Have you seen her post any more in this thread? No. It could have been a troll to stir up what we now see here. I confronted and asked her for specifics as to avoid what took place. That is? Letting everyone's imagination take them where they went.

Whether she posts again or not. She isn’t the lone person wrestling with the same thing. The advice shared on the thread can bless others.

It is possible her silence is due to busyness or conviction. It isn’t my responsibility to discern. I’ve done my part.

However, no one requires policing. Everyone is welcome to weigh-in. You are making assumptions about her intentions without proof. If they weren’t honorable that’s the Lord’s business. He’ll deal with her.

I think you’re getting worked up for nothing.

Posting bible verses to hurt others or gain attention? Is that a sin?

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