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Populist Conservatism and Constitutional Order

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This article is about a 7 to 10 minutes read. It gives historical background for the various changes of policies in our American federal government and some good ideas on what we could see in the future.
 

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This article is about a 7 to 10 minutes read. It gives historical background for the various changes of policies in our American federal government and some good ideas on what we could see in the future.
Populism (of any stripe) is best avoided in Democratic Republics as the nature of such political movements pits factions of the populous against s one another and requires the State becoming the arbiter of who’s “okay” and who’s the “real threats”.

“Conservative-populism” requires “Big-government” to right things.
Is this what conservatives want?
 
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Populism (of any stripe) is best avoided in Democratic Republics as the nature of such political movements pits factions of the populous against s one another and requires the State becoming the arbiter of who’s “okay” and who’s the “real threats”.

“Conservative-populism” requires “Big-government” to right things.
Is this what conservatives want?
Maybe I ain't understanding you. But where are conservative-populism requiring "big government" to right things?
 
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Maybe I ain't understanding you. But where are conservative-populism requiring "big government" to right things?
Populism requires (political) leadership to “mandate change”, (otherwise how would these changes occur?); this requires “big government” actions to effect these changes.
 
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Populism requires (political) leadership to “mandate change”, (otherwise how would these changes occur?); this requires “big government” actions to effect these changes.

That's all the legislature does is mandate change...

Democrats mandate change in government on a regular basis and so do Republicans. Have for more than 200 years. Obama and Biden just piled on the changes, to a degree that made voters regret their life, and voting, choices.

You're basically stating you don't like populism because they will use the government the way it's intended to be used - to mandate change.

The argument itself falls on its face because all your saying is that you don't want us to do what you would do, or anything remotely close.

Also, a government of the people, for the people, and by the people is pretty populist just by nature.
 
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Populism requires (political) leadership to “mandate change”, (otherwise how would these changes occur?); this requires “big government” actions to effect these changes.
It doesn't necessarily require government to get bigger and bigger in order to effect the changes we want. On the other hand, getting the changes that constitutional conservatives & conservative populism wants would result in having a smaller, more efficient federal government.
 
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Democrats mandate change in government on a regular basis and so do Republicans. Have for more than 200 years.

The Democratic and Republican Parties are only 196 and 170 years old respectively.
 
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Trump just changes elitism from one group to another. American people want change but it could turn out to be a bait and switch. I always liked the movie "Conspiracy Theory (1997) ." Mel Gibson and Julia Roberts. the part i remember is how Gibson, though basically insane saw the two elite groups that fought against each other. That is more representative of today than we realize. Yes, Trump has some good ideas, but I am afraid he has over-promised and will underperform. His recent claim how he will help anyone with a billion dollars or more cut the red tape is an example. Trump simply is enamored with the rich. Another example is how he went from dismissing bitcoin to embracing it (and the backers money, and hence the vance pick). If i had to label the two elite groups. The Dems are elites to control through government. The Trump elitism is to reorder control from the government to the private rich. Honestly, I think he believes that will help everyone, but I think he is mistaken here. Will the ordinary joe's receive much help? Perhaps if it trickles down. One area that will be interesting to watch is if the immigration send back really starts to hurt industry because there are too few workers. Watch how they will talk tough but in the end do little. This was exactly the Reagan legacy. He accepted amnesty for illegals with the caveat that we would not let new illegals in. Will there be any amnesty this time? Does American need the workers? It will be interesting to see this play out.
Beef will be a good tell. Not only are cattle numbers the lowest since the early 70s, but the meat packing industry is overly reliant on illegals. So watch what happens with inflation and immigration in the beef industry. i think it will represent how things are most likely to go.
Thank God that we can depend on Him. I have said many times on the future, I hope I am wrong but I do trust in God, not in MAGA, not in either political party nor any election.
 
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Trump just changes elitism from one group to another. American people want change but it could turn out to be a bait and switch. I always liked the movie "Conspiracy Theory (1997) ." Mel Gibson and Julia Roberts. the part i remember is how Gibson, though basically insane saw the two elite groups that fought against each other. That is more representative of today than we realize. Yes, Trump has some good ideas, but I am afraid he has over-promised and will underperform. His recent claim how he will help anyone with a billion dollars or more cut the red tape is an example. Trump simply is enamored with the rich. Another example is how he went from dismissing bitcoin to embracing it (and the backers money, and hence the vance pick). If i had to label the two elite groups. The Dems are elites to control through government. The Trump elitism is to reorder control from the government to the private rich. Honestly, I think he believes that will help everyone, but I think he is mistaken here. Will the ordinary joe's receive much help? Perhaps if it trickles down. One area that will be interesting to watch is if the immigration send back really starts to hurt industry because there are too few workers. Watch how they will talk tough but in the end do little. This was exactly the Reagan legacy. He accepted amnesty for illegals with the caveat that we would not let new illegals in. Will there be any amnesty this time? Does American need the workers? It will be interesting to see this play out.
Beef will be a good tell. Not only are cattle numbers the lowest since the early 70s, but the meat packing industry is overly reliant on illegals. So watch what happens with inflation and immigration in the beef industry. i think it will represent how things are most likely to go.
Thank God that we can depend on Him. I have said many times on the future, I hope I am wrong but I do trust in God, not in MAGA, not in either political party nor any election.
I absolutely disagree with all the assertions of your post with the exception of your final two sentences.
 
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Trump just changes elitism from one group to another.
Elitism, as used in the US is such a fascinating word.
Is it politicians?
Is it the 0.1-1%?
Is it the scientific establishment?
Is it scientists?
Is it universities and professors?

I've never associated knowledge with elitism because knowledge, TRULY does little to grant anyone any direct power. And my tendency would be to group the word "elitism" with a "power" level and not a knowledge level.
 
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Trump just changes elitism from one group to another.
Despite being a New York billionaire, Trump is the very opposite of an elitist.
Thank God that we can depend on Him. I have said many times on the future, I hope I am wrong but I do trust in God, not in MAGA, not in either political party nor any election.
I don't trust either party either. Despite having an R beside his name out of necessity, he is his own party. Most Republicans hate him as much as we love him. He's the third party we've long wanted in this country.
 
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Despite being a New York billionaire, Trump is the very opposite of an elitist.
Kudos!

That's about the least accurate statement I have ever read describing a person. That said I DO appreciate how you didn't bother to try to support that wackadoo suggestion.

UNLESS you have taken on "Elitist" to refer to university professor or scientists.
 
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Kudos!

That's about the least accurate statement I have ever read describing a person. That said I DO appreciate how you didn't bother to try to support that wackadoo suggestion.

UNLESS you have taken on "Elitist" to refer to university professor or scientists.
How are you going to simultaneously describe him as an elitist and describe his supporters as rednecks and "garbage"?

(I'm not talking about you personally, but that's what the MSM and his opponents have done for nine years.)
 

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Populism requires (political) leadership to “mandate change”, (otherwise how would these changes occur?); this requires “big government” actions to effect these changes.
Very wrong. Liberalism absolutely requires big gov to make changes in order to force people to obey. Populism begins at the grass-roots level so that gov get carried along with the people; not the other way around. Big-gov is an anathema to populism.
 

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I've never associated knowledge with elitism because knowledge, TRULY does little to grant anyone any direct power.
Really? Remember Dr. Fauci?.....and the 'scientific' demand that only isolation from everyone could contain covid?......hence the shut-down of the US economy?.....wasn't that long ago. There are still lingering effects of it now from people insisting they continue to work from home after all this time.
 

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That's about the least accurate statement I have ever read describing a person. That said I DO appreciate how you didn't bother to try to support that wackadoo suggestion.

UNLESS you have taken on "Elitist" to refer to university professor or scientists.
Please tell us how Trump is an elitist....in your opinion of course.
 
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How are you going to simultaneously describe him as an elitist and describe his supporters as rednecks and "garbage"?
an ABSOLUTE nonsequitor.
You think rednecks never look up to elitists? The trick rednecks did is that, as soon as they like someone, they CANNOT be elitists because we are rednecks and we like them.

That's not sensible.

Please tell us how Trump is an elitist....in your opinion of course.
I'm pretty sure you are aware that he is quite rich.

I'm also pretty sure you know that he's a politician.
 
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That's about the least accurate statement I have ever read describing a person. That said I DO appreciate how you didn't bother to try to support that wackadoo suggestion.

UNLESS you have taken on "Elitist" to refer to university professor or scientists.
An "elitist" is anybody who thinks that Trump supporters are "deplorable,"
 
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