Origin of the Egyptian Obelisk

[Huusoku]

Hello guys,

Pardon me for jumping in here with such a silly (off topic?) question. My coworker has a calendar with the Washington Monument and as I passed his desk I told him congratulations for having a phallus of an Egyptian sun god on his wall.

Don't worry, he is always curious & enjoys hearing what I have to say about things like this, but I was dumbfounded when I tried to prove this to him on Wikipedia (yes, not the definitive source) which has no mention of the sort. So I quickly searched Google and the only sites I could find linking the obelisk to a phallus were Christian sites, which isn't much help.

My Question: Does anyone know of a secular website that identifies the origin of the obelisk to a phallus? Or is this just a scare tactic "us Christians" are using?

Really, I thought its shape resembling a deities phallus was common knowledge. It's good to have my eyes opened up like this! Of the secular sites I found, they claim its origin has to do with sun rays (hence why it symbolizes their "sun god").

Again, sorry for such a silly question. Maybe we can never be "absolutely" certain, but I'd like to know how crazy I am for believing this

A few links I came across... (sorry I am not allowed to post links until I have 50 posts)

Secular sites with no connection to a phallus:
Wikipedia: http: // en.wikipedia dot org/wiki/Obelisk
"History of the Egyptian Obelisk" http: // egipto dot com/obeliscos/histo2.html

Christian sites claiming it resembles a god's phallus:
http: // aloha dot net/~mikesch/wheel.htm
http: // www dot christian-restoration dot com/fmasonry/obelisks.htm


It could be a coverup on Wikipedia and others to not hurt Roman and western cultures who for-some-reason-or-another have Egyptian structures in their countries, or we could just be a bunch of crazy Christian's trying to scare people. Which is it?

Thanks
Huusoku

 

[JohnMarsten]

the obelisk was always very unimportant to me that was UNTIL I read about its hidden meaning, from that day on I began to realize the obelisk as something satanic.

You know there are a couple of obelisk on the Ellen white graveside, God apparently never told her about that meaning, so it must be unimportant...

From an SDA perspective there is nothing to worry about then, there are even numerous SDA churches that have that obelisk thing either outside their church building or even inside...as can be seen for example here: The Churches

In the end I put the whole topic aside, obelisks dont bother me anymore, neither pyramids or anything like that... think about it: If you dont know about it, you wont think about it, if you know about it, you will think about it at all times you see one... so maybe there is a certain amount of conditioning behind it...

 

[Theofane]

Origin of the Egyptian Obelisk

It's a phallus, a Masonic symbol. Just like the all-seeing-eye device and motto on the US $1 bill.

 

[Pythons]

It's simply a man made structure - no different then the other "well known" structures in Egypt...
...The Masons simply adopted it, like they adopted other things.

 

[JohnMarsten]

It's simply a man made structure - no different then the other "well known" structures in Egypt...
...The Masons simply adopted it, like they adopted other things.

why adopt a heathen symbol into the church? st.peters square for eg...

what does the obelisk mean for catholics? what is it good for?

btw what does it mean in the sda? what is good for?

 

[JohnMarsten]

I heard that the obelisk is a phallic symbol, with a meaning of resurrection. Could it be that it represents Christ this way? I mean His resurrection of course...

 

[Theofane]

I heard that the obelisk is a phallic symbol, with a meaning of resurrection. Could it be that it represents Christ this way? I mean His resurrection of course...

I've never seen the phallus (the Male Principle or creative power) associated with the Resurrection or with Christ Himself. But of course I haven't seen everything.

 

[Theofane]

The phallus as depicted by the Washington Monument is a pre-Christian symbol. There's more paganism in our supposedly Christian civilization than many people realize.

 

[OntheDL]

It's simply a man made structure - no different then the other "well known" structures in Egypt...
...The Masons simply adopted it, like they adopted other things.

Says the one whose church has the largest Egyptian obelisk in the biggest Roman Sun wheel in the world.

 

[OntheDL]

why adopt a heathen symbol into the church? st.peters square for eg...

what does the obelisk mean for catholics? what is it good for?

btw what does it mean in the sda? what is good for?

2 Kings 10:26 They brought out the pillars or obelisks of the house of Baal and burned them.

 

[OntheDL]

Hello guys,

Pardon me for jumping in here with such a silly (off topic?) question. My coworker has a calendar with the Washington Monument and as I passed his desk I told him congratulations for having a phallus of an Egyptian sun god on his wall.

Don't worry, he is always curious & enjoys hearing what I have to say about things like this, but I was dumbfounded when I tried to prove this to him on Wikipedia (yes, not the definitive source) which has no mention of the sort. So I quickly searched Google and the only sites I could find linking the obelisk to a phallus were Christian sites, which isn't much help.

My Question: Does anyone know of a secular website that identifies the origin of the obelisk to a phallus? Or is this just a scare tactic "us Christians" are using?

Really, I thought its shape resembling a deities phallus was common knowledge. It's good to have my eyes opened up like this! Of the secular sites I found, they claim its origin has to do with sun rays (hence why it symbolizes their "sun god").

Again, sorry for such a silly question. Maybe we can never be "absolutely" certain, but I'd like to know how crazy I am for believing this

A few links I came across... (sorry I am not allowed to post links until I have 50 posts)

Secular sites with no connection to a phallus:
Wikipedia: http: // en.wikipedia dot org/wiki/Obelisk
"History of the Egyptian Obelisk" http: // egipto dot com/obeliscos/histo2.html

Christian sites claiming it resembles a god's phallus:
http: // aloha dot net/~mikesch/wheel.htm
http: // www dot christian-restoration dot com/fmasonry/obelisks.htm


It could be a coverup on Wikipedia and others to not hurt Roman and western cultures who for-some-reason-or-another have Egyptian structures in their countries, or we could just be a bunch of crazy Christian's trying to scare people. Which is it?

Thanks
Huusoku

You know Wikipedia can be edited by anyone, right?

There are many Masonic writings linking the obelisk to the phallus. You just have to reference them.

 

[Pythons]

why adopt a heathen symbol into the church? st.peters square for eg...

That would be like saying because creation accounts similar to Genesis existed prior to Genesis be written...
....That Moses adopted a pagan concept into his Scriptures.
....So to with Jesus being killed for the world, having 12 Apostles, etc.

what does the obelisk mean for catholics? what is it good for?

It simply meant that Christianity defeated paganism....
...Exactly like the Prophet Daniel predicted.

btw what does it mean in the sda? what is good for?

I don't know - the SDA's ( like any other early Prot group ) had a heavy Masonic influence.

 

[JohnMarsten]

That would be like saying because creation accounts similar to Genesis existed prior to Genesis be written...
....That Moses adopted a pagan concept into his Scriptures.
....So to with Jesus being killed for the world, having 12 Apostles, etc.

I dont think this example is a very good one...


It simply meant that Christianity defeated paganism....
...Exactly like the Prophet Daniel predicted.

is this the official meaning?
Daniel predicted...? could you enlighten me...


I don't know - the SDA's ( like any other early Prot group ) had a heavy Masonic influence.

I am good with this one... however I think the same is true for the catholic church... problem here is the question what was first the egg or the hen...

 

[Pythons]

In the literalist interpretation the hen would be first.

 

[OntheDL]

That would be like saying because creation accounts similar to Genesis existed prior to Genesis be written...
....That Moses adopted a pagan concept into his Scriptures.
....So to with Jesus being killed for the world, having 12 Apostles, etc.

It simply meant that Christianity defeated paganism....
...Exactly like the Prophet Daniel predicted.

Pure nonsense.

Are you familiar with the Rosicrucians? Their symbol is a rose with a cross. The rose represents mystery, paganism. The cross represents Christianity.

This is how Catholicism works, paganism intermingled with Christianity. True Christianity has none of it. The bible forbids partaking in any pagan practices.

I don't know - the SDA's ( like any other early Prot group ) had a heavy Masonic influence.

Many founding fathers were masons. But I suspect they did not have full revelation on the organization. Some SDA pioneers were masons, low lever masons. Only the highest level 33rd degree gets initiated into the isoterics.

And Ellen White wrote to warn SDAs not to join masons. So that didn't gain you any points.

 

[JohnMarsten]

Pure nonsense.

Are you familiar with the Rosicrucians? Their symbol is a rose with a cross. The rose represents mystery, paganism. The cross represents Christianity.

This is how Catholicism works, paganism intermingled with Christianity. True Christianity has none of it. The bible forbids partaking in any pagan practices.



Many founding fathers were masons. But I suspect they did not have full revelation on the organization. Some SDA pioneers were masons, low lever masons. Only the highest level 33rd degree gets initiated into the isoterics.

And Ellen White wrote to warn SDAs not to join masons. So that didn't gain you any points.

In order to be fair, why does the rose represent mystery? it is a beautiful flower in the first place, so we could also say that it represents beauty. In connection with the cross it could be the beauty of Gods sacrifice that has given us the option of eternal life...

I am not implying that this rosicrucians thing is not pagan, though...

as far as EGWs warning is concerned same goes for the catholic church, they, too, warn against the masons... within SDA circles I heard the rumour that the pope is one of the highest ranking masons...

 

[OntheDL]

In order to be fair, why does the rose represent mystery? it is a beautiful flower in the first place, so we could also say that it represents beauty. In connection with the cross it could be the beauty of Gods sacrifice that has given us the option of eternal life...

I am not implying that this rosicrucians thing is not pagan, though...

Rose means mystery from Hermeticism. This is what Isoterics is about. The uninitiated are called 'sub rosa'. Because it has meaning only to the trained eyes.

as far as EGWs warning is concerned same goes for the catholic church, they, too, warn against the masons... within SDA circles I heard the rumour that the pope is one of the highest ranking masons...

The difference is that the highest masons are initiated into the order of Illuminati. And the Jesuit Adam Weishaupt founded the order of Illuminati when the Jesuits went under ground while being persecuted by the monarchs of Europe. Go to a Catholics church. For example, the St. John's church in NYC, it's full of masonic, rosicrucian symbols.

So the Catholics church's official stand against the mason is really a diversion like the good cop/bad cop analogy.

 

[David Conklin]

>You know Wikipedia can be edited by anyone, right?

Irrelevant.

 

[reddogs]

2 Kings 10:26 They brought out the pillars or obelisks of the house of Baal and burned them.

Must be part of the worship to the sun or sun symbol.

 

[TheOmegaMan19]

I've known about this for several years, but I found something online that could offer my knowledge with greater detail...​

Obelisks and Egypt Inside the Brotherhood ​

By Martin Short​

History​

The earliest Obelisks were known as ‘benben’ stones. They were rough hewn and truncated, but they were tipped off by the pyramid ion shape which distinguishes obelisks from other monumental columns.

The spirit of the sun god was supposed to enter the stones at certain periods, and on these occasions human sacrifices were offered to it. The victims were probably prisoners of war who had been captured alive, and foreigners, and when these failed the priests must have drawn upon the native population. At On, king after king erected benbens in Re’s honour, so that by 1300BC the city was full of obelisks. The Roman author Pliny wrote about this city of On where kings ‘entered into a kind of rivalry in forming elongated blocks of stone, known as obelisks, and consecrated them to the divinity of the Sun’.

In 'Our Phallic Heritage' we are told that 'All pillars or columns originally had a phallic significance, and were therefore considered sacred. Pan, the goat god and god of sensuality, was often represented as an obelisk. A former witch writes 'The obelisk is a long pointed four sided shaft, the uppermost portion of which forms a pyramid. The word 'obelisk' literally means 'Baal's shaft' or Baal's organ of reproduction' (Page 341 Masonic and occult symbols illustrated. Dr. Cathy Burns)

To understand why the obelisk is so important to masons one has to understand the Masonic version of Egyptian mythology behind their rituals.

Osiris was a king of Egypt who married his sister Isis. His brother ‘Set’ wished to usurp the throne and so plotted his death. He tricked Osiris into climbing into a golden chest. As soon as he was inside, Set nailed down the lid and flung the chest into the Nile. It was carried off to Byblos in Syria where it came to rest against a small Tamarisk tree or Acasia tree, with the dead Osiris still inside. Isis found out what Set had done to Osiris, so she set off to find her husband.

A vision led her to Byblos, where she recovered his body and took it back to Egypt. Alas! Set stole it and tore it into fourteen pieces, which he scattered throughout Egypt to prevent Osiris coming to life again. Isis recovered all but one of the pieces - the penis - and gave Osiris a fit burial. Their son, Horus, avenged him by slaying Set.
Another son, Anubis, resurrected Osiris with the ‘lion grip’

Having triumphed over the grave, Osiris now reigns as king and judge of the so called dead. The piece of Osiris that Isis never recovered was the penis, which Set had thrown into the Nile where it was eaten by fish. Ever resourceful, Isis manufactured an artificial organ around which the Egyptians established a cult or festival.
From this it is a small step to the conclusion that the benben or obelisk was itself a phallic symbol. Whether of osiris , Re or fertility in general, it was a symbol of fatherhood ‘The rock that begot’
To Freemasons groping for mystic enlightenment in the 1800’s the obelisk was the only architectural symbol of Osiris still in existence. And if, as some Masonic historians claim, Hiram Abiff is really Osiris reborn there could be no greater proof of Masonic ascendancy in the modern world than Egyptian Obelisks thrust by masons into the heart of the West’s great cities. These would also symbolise Boaz and Jachim, the twin pillars which masons claim were built in front of Solomon’s temple, in imitation of two obelisks at the entrance of Egyptian temples.