Opeth

Yam Kimil said:

im a christian, and listen to satanic music.
no, i don't feel compelled to look into the occult or worship satan
no, i don't get influenced into feeling christianity is wrong
no, i don't get nightmares or odd supernatural experiences, i have normal sleep
no, i don't feel the need to commit suicide
and no, i don't commit haenous crimes or plan or want to.

well, i guess i just made your argument null

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Yam Kimil said:

look, i'm not trying to say you're wrong about everything, but making blatant generalizing, and untrue statements is just terrible. I was just telling you that with a simple example of myself, just about everything you said metal does, is false.
If i were you, i'd probably find more offense with the content of radio-aired, heavily popular, mainstream music than that of an often misunderstood and labeled kind of music.

and what makes you think i'm comforming or giving into their beliefs? I may have an account at the bank but does that mean i'm good with money or want to be a banker? no.
and honestly, if i printed out lyrics from most of the bands i listen to, they probably wouldn't stir up any controversy, even among the church

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seeker336 said:

Hm.

I'm listening to Opeth right now. It's actually relaxing.

I have 4 of their CDs. I have Damnation, Deliverance, Blackwater Park, and Ghost Reveries. So far, I have yet to see or hear any real allusion to Satan or very much religious discussion at all. There is quite a bit of spiritual angst expressed in their latest album, Ghost Reveries, but no more than that described in Jesus' temptation in the wilderness or in the journey of Gautama as a wandering aesthetic.

Opeth usually have very bleak, nihilistic lyrics, but their latest album speaks of overcoming this sense of loss (sort of) in songs like Atonement and Hours of Wealth. Very far from Satanic, though not necessarily life-affirming. Probably one of the most depressing bands I've listened to (I'm an optimist and they've gotten me way down on numerous times), but as for being Satanic (if you believe in that kind of thing), I wouldn't bet on it. The lyrics (which are very metaphorical and intelligent) reflect a mindset that is searching to believe but is on the negative end of it.

But personally, I don't believe people should inject their personal beliefs when looking for music they like. The musicians in Opeth are fantastic, and Mikael Akerfeldt, the vocalist, can go from that guttural vocalizing to such a melodious voice that you'd think it was a different singer. Absolutely amazing composition and well-thought out progressive metal type songs. I'm studying for a bachelor's in music at the moment, and very impressed with Opeth. Not saying my word is final or anything of that sort, but I have listened to a lot of music and know about chord progressions and melodies and composition, and it is definitely very high-quality music.

And yes, they do sing about the Devil in Ghost Reveries, but they do it not in a glorifying or charismatic manner, but in a way that portrays the loss, wayward mindset, and horror of being under an influence as such. Like a Christian band that, instead of praising Jesus, sings of the horrors of Lucifer, in a way.

-Lee

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Yam Kimil said:

again, you seem to think i somehow give in or agree with the message of what i listen to. If it even mattered at all to me, then i probably won't listen to it as most people don't for that sole reason.

And again, the message won't get to you if you don't let it, we get all these yuppie mallgoths saying "oh yeah, marylin manson is so rebellious, i want to be just like him!" because they take his message to heart, these are the people you're talking about that will hear say, Deicide and want to kick christianity out and worship satan.

Also, you seem to think every metal band has an underlying satanic message. They don't, and of all people, i should know. There is a whole genre of metal known for having anti-religious, anti-christian and satanic views (though the first two are more common) and they come right out and say it, and there's ALOT of them. If metal bands are tying to get us on satan's side, then why, as you say it, do most of them do it discretely, when it can be as easy as just coming out and proclaiming it.
Just like christian's don't want to subtley change someone, satanists and others with a counter-view want to do just the same

like i said, the message won't get to you if you don't let it (or are the least bit strong minded)
i don't see violence on tv, movies, and games and become more violent
i don't see ads and want to buy the product
everytime i read a book, i don't always agree with the author's views

and honestly, any of the above mediums has a can have a far more discrete way of turning us over to satan.



you know, you're right, if i told them they were metal lyrics, then yes, they'd probably shoot it down becuase many chrisitans (and non-christians) are baised toward it, like yourself.

trust me, if i told them that they were lyrics from a christian band, even though the lyrics don't mention christ or glorify him, they probably wouldn't know the difference.

you know what, let me post some lyrics, they could be from a metal band, maybe a jazz band, i'll let you decide.

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RenewingMyMind said:

If you enjoy reading pick up one of the following books by Dr. Rebecca Brown:

1 He came to set the captives free
2. Becoming a Vessel of Honor
3. Prepare for War
4. Generational Curses

She was in the occult and all her books are about delivering people from serious occult bondage and she explains how this death metal that you think is so innocent open doorways to the occult and for demonic possession.

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Findings of Fact for Ruth Bailey said:

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8. That on numerous occasions Respondent has knowingly and intentionally misdiagnosed her patients including, but not limited to her patients by the name of Edna Elaine Moses, a/k/a Elaine Moses, a/k/a Elaine Bailey (hereinafter collectively referred to as "Edna Elaine Moses"), Claudia Moses, Lucia Lively, Luccinda Sisson, Kelly Sisson, Cheryl Maynard, and two (2) patients identified only as "V.B." and "K.W."

9. That the "misdiagnosis" referred to in "Finding of Fact" no. 8 above, included misdiagnosing alleged leukemia, various blood disorders, gall bladder disease, brain tumors and various other ailments and conditions all of with Respondent stated were allegedly caused by demons, devils and other evil spirits.

10. That in fact, the patients referred to in "Finding of Fact" no. 8 above, were not suffering from the diagnosed ailments and conditions referred to in "Finding of Fact" no. 9, above.

11. That on numerous occasions Respondent stated to her patients that she was "chosen" by God as the only physician able to diagnose certain ailments and conditions which other physicians could not because the other physicians, including physicians from Ball Memorial Hospital in Muncie, Indiana and St. John's Medical Center in Anderson, Indiana were, in fact, "demons, devils and other evil spirits" themselves.

12. That Respondent was inappropriately treating Edna Elaine Moses' purported leukemia with massive doses of Demerol and Phenobarbital to the point where the patient would tolerate 600 to 900 cc injections of Demerol, a fatal dose of which is normally in the 150 to 200 cc range, and up to three times the recommended therapeutic dose of Phenobarbital.

13. That Respondent gave Claudia Moses, a 15 year old mentally impaired daughter of Edna Elaine Moses who possesses the intellectual age of an 8 year old, numerous injections of Demerol for alleged "nausea" and allowed Claudia to administer injections of Demerol to herself.

14. That on numerous occasions the Respondent would supply her patients with excessive amounts of legend drugs and/or controlled substances without any explanation, instruction, or appropriate charting.

15. That numerous patients of the Respondent had to undergo detoxification and withdrawal from the excessive amounts legend drugs and/or controlled substances which the Respondent was prescribing and/or administering without valid therapeutic reasons.

16. That while Edna Elaine Moses was under the immediate care and treatment of Respondent, the family of Edna Elaine Moses had to have Edna admitted to St. Vincent's Hospital Emergency Room in Indianapolis, Indiana and subsequently committed to LaRue Carter Hospital in Indianapolis, Indiana for detoxification from the excessive amounts of controlled substances which Respondent was prescribing and administering for Edna's purported leukemia and for treatment of the multiple infections, including infections of her urinary tract and infections of various catheters including a "Hickman" catheter used to facilitate the administration of intravenous medications and also for treatment of externally caused lesions.

17. That Respondent failed to maintain and keep adequate records or charts on her patients and in several instances failed to maintain any charts or records at all.

18. That on numerous occasions Respondent falsified patient charts and hospital records and misled other health professionals regarding her patients condition including, but not limited to statements made by Respondent at Ball Memorial Hospital in Muncie, Indiana, St. John's Medical Center in Anderson, Indiana, Indiana and Barrien General Hospital in Barrien Springs, Michigan, all to the detriment of her patients' well-being.

19. That on numerous occasions Respondent misrepresented and falsified prescriptions which were presented to several pharmacies for controlled substances including, but not limited to March Pharmacy located at 2808 Nichol Aveneu, Anderson, Indiana, Gene Maddy Drugs located at 3050 Meridian Street, Anderson, Indiana and Hollon's Drugs located at 2101 Jackson, Anderson, Indiana by writing on the face of the prescriptions that the prescriptions for controlled substances for the patient by the name of Edna Moses, Elaine Moses, and/or Elaine Bailey were for "malignancy" when in fact, there was no therapeutic reason for Respondent to be prescribing Demerol or any other contolled (sic) substance as the alleged patient was, in fact, suffering from no malignacy.

20. That Respondent has stated on numerous occasions that she possessed the capability of "sharing" her patients' illnesses in fighting the demons, devils and other evil spirits that were allegedly causing the various ailments and conditions and that she was, in fact, "sharing" Edna Elaine Moses' leukemia.

21. That without a valid therapeutic reason the Respondent self-diagnosed and self-medicated herself with non-therapeutic amounts of Demerol for her "leukemia" that she was allegedly "sharing" with Edna Elaine Moses and also for treatment of an alleged malignant brain tumor and myasthenia gravis.

22. That Respondent has been witnessed routinely receiving non-therapeutic doses of at least 3 cc's of Demerol on an hourly basis by injecting herself in the backs of her hands, the inside of her thighs, or wherever she could locate a suitable vein.

23. That the board appointed psychiatrist who examined the Respondent and reviewed statements made by her patients diagnosed the Respondent as suffering from acute personality disorders including demonic delusions and/or paranoid schizophrenia.

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Superior Court of California document No: VCV 009038 said:

[She has] become more known by the proposed name through use as a pen name and use of the name in ministry than her present name.

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