ONE OF MOST FASCINATING VERSE THAT I HAVE READ !

[Dan Perez]

This verse is in 1 Thess 5:23 !

# 1 AND // DE , is a CONUCATION

# 2 THE VERY // AUTOS , is a PERSONAL POSSESSIVE PRONOUN , in the NO KATIVE CASE , a d in the SKGNULAR
IAZO
# 3 God // THEOS , is in the NOMINATIVE CASE , in the SIGNULAR

# 4 OF PEACE // EIENE , is in the GENITIVE CASE , and in the SIGNULAR

# 5 SANCIFY // HAGIAZO , is a PERSONAL POSSESSIVE PRONOUN , in the ACCUSATIVE C ASE , in the PLJURAL

# 6 YOU // HYNAS , in the AORIST TENSE , ACTIVE VOICE , OPATIVE MOOD , in the SINGULAR

# 7 WHO // HOLOTELE , in the ACCUSATIVE CASE , in the PLJRAL

# 8 AND // KAI , is a CONUCATION

# 9 YOUR // HYMON , is a PERSONAL POSSESSIVE PRONOUN , in the GENITIVE CASE , in the PLURAL

# 10 WHOLE // HOLOKLEROS , in the NOMINATIVE CASE , in the SLIGNULAR , in the NEJGTER

# 11 SPIRIT // PNEUMA , in the NO MINATIVE CASE , in te SIGNULAR , in the NEUTER

# 12 AND // KAI , is a Conjunc ation

# 13 SOUL // PSYCHE , is in the NOMINATIVE CASE , in the SINGUJLAR

# 14 AND // KAI , is a Conjun ation

# 15 BODY // SOMA , is in the NOMINATIVE CASE , in the SIGNULAR , in the NEUTER

# 16 BE PERSERVED // TEREO , is in the AORIST TENSE , OPTATIVE CASE , in the SIGN JLAR

# 17 BLAMELESS // AMEMPLOS , is a ADVERB

# 18 UNTO // EN , is a PROPOSITION

# 19 THE // HO is a DEFINKITE ARTICILE , in the DATIVE CASE , in the SINGULAR

# 20 COMING // PAROUSIS , means Christ coming for the BODY of Christ , in the DATIVE C ASE , in the SINGULAR

# 21 OF OUR // HEMON , PERSONAL POSSESSIVE PRONOUN , in the GENITIVE CASE , in the PLJURAL

# 22 LORD // KYRIOS , in the GENITIVE CASE , in the SINGULAR

# 23 JESUS // LESOUS , in the GENITIVE CASE , in the SINGULAR

# 24 CHRIST // CHRISTOS in the GENITIVE CASE in gthe SIGNULAR


Here is what was remarkable is this !

# 1 It speaks about your SPIRIT

# 2 It speaks about your SOUL

# 3 It speaks about your BODY .


# 1 When the RICH MAN DIED , his SPIRIT went back to God that gave it , ECC 12:7

# 2 His SOUL was in HELL .

# 3 His BODY was in a GRAVE ,

And this is where all those under the LAW WENT .

So when anyone dies , A BELIEVER SAVED BY GRACE GOES ?

# 1 THE BODY goes to the GRAVE !

# 2 So where does those saved by GRACE GO TODAY ?

# 3 Where does there BODY and SPIRIT , GO ??

dan p

 

[jacks]

Here it is all in one piece. Beautiful blessing.

May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. The one who calls you is faithful, and he will do it.

 

[Grafted In]

We are sleeping brides with candles full of oil and waiting for our Groom to finish our bridal chamber,perhaps.

 

[Dan Perez]

Here it is all in one piece. Beautiful blessing.

May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. The one who calls you is faithful, and he will do it.

SO IT also speaks about the spirit , soul and body and where do they go at DEATH ?

That was the quesion ?

Welcome for your reply >

dan p

 

[Aristarkos]

SO IT also speaks about the spirit , soul and body and where do they go at DEATH ?

That was the quesion ?

Welcome for your reply >

dan p

What everybody seems to miss is the your. The "spirit", "soul" and "body" are "owned" by the your in 1 Thes. 5:23. This is the core that God one way or the other preserves when we die.

1 Thes. 5:23 "And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ."

Aristarkos

 

[Grafted In]

What everybody seems to miss is the your. The "spirit", "soul" and "body" are "owned" by the your in 1 Thes. 5:23. This is the core that God one way or the other preserves when we die.

1 Thes. 5:23 "And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ."

Aristarkos

This seems to suggest that our bodies are changed prior to our Lord comes for His bride.
Please help clear this up for me.
Thank you.

 

[Dan Perez]

What everybody seems to miss is the your. The "spirit", "soul" and "body" are "owned" by the your in 1 Thes. 5:23. This is the core that God one way or the other preserves when we die.

1 Thes. 5:23 "And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ."

Aristarkos

And you will find the word YOUR , under # 9 !

dan p

 

[Aristarkos]

And you will find the word YOUR , under # 9 !

dan p

But still you talk only about the soul the body and the spirit, not the your so even though you typed it under #9 you still seem to have missed the significance of it. Your question "SO IT also speaks about the spirit , soul and body and where do they go at DEATH ?" will only give a lot of answers depending on which part of us is immortal according to the responder's perception.

Aristarkos

 

[Dan Perez]

But still you talk only about the soul the body and the spirit, not the your so even though you typed it under #9 you still seem to have missed the significance of it. Your question "SO IT also speaks about the spirit , soul and body and where do they go at DEATH ?" will only give a lot of answers depending on which part of us is immortal according to the responder's perception.

Aristarkos

Are you saying that I am a NUGATORY , and I can not help you , sorry !

dan p

 

[Clare73]

This verse is in 1 Thess 5:23 !

# 1 AND // DE , is a CONUCATION
# 2 THE VERY // AUTOS , is a PERSONAL POSSESSIVE PRONOUN , in the NO KATIVE CASE , a d in the SKGNULAR
IAZO
# 3 God // THEOS , is in the NOMINATIVE CASE , in the SIGNULAR
# 4 OF PEACE // EIENE , is in the GENITIVE CASE , and in the SIGNULAR
# 5 SANCIFY // HAGIAZO , is a PERSONAL POSSESSIVE PRONOUN , in the ACCUSATIVE C ASE , in the PLJURAL

# 6 YOU // HYNAS , in the AORIST TENSE , ACTIVE VOICE , OPATIVE MOOD , in the SINGULAR

# 7 WHO // HOLOTELE , in the ACCUSATIVE CASE , in the PLJRAL

# 8 AND // KAI , is a CONUCATION

# 9 YOUR // HYMON , is a PERSONAL POSSESSIVE PRONOUN , in the GENITIVE CASE , in the PLURAL

# 10 WHOLE // HOLOKLEROS , in the NOMINATIVE CASE , in the SLIGNULAR , in the NEJGTER

# 11 SPIRIT // PNEUMA , in the NO MINATIVE CASE , in te SIGNULAR , in the NEUTER

# 12 AND // KAI , is a Conjunc ation

# 13 SOUL // PSYCHE , is in the NOMINATIVE CASE , in the SINGUJLAR

# 14 AND // KAI , is a Conjun ation

# 15 BODY // SOMA , is in the NOMINATIVE CASE , in the SIGNULAR , in the NEUTER

# 16 BE PERSERVED // TEREO , is in the AORIST TENSE , OPTATIVE CASE , in the SIGN JLAR

# 17 BLAMELESS // AMEMPLOS , is a ADVERB

# 18 UNTO // EN , is a PROPOSITION

# 19 THE // HO is a DEFINKITE ARTICILE , in the DATIVE CASE , in the SINGULAR

# 20 COMING // PAROUSIS , means Christ coming for the BODY of Christ , in the DATIVE C ASE , in the SINGULAR

# 21 OF OUR // HEMON , PERSONAL POSSESSIVE PRONOUN , in the GENITIVE CASE , in the PLJURAL

# 22 LORD // KYRIOS , in the GENITIVE CASE , in the SINGULAR

# 23 JESUS // LESOUS , in the GENITIVE CASE , in the SINGULAR

# 24 CHRIST // CHRISTOS in the GENITIVE CASE in gthe SIGNULAR


Here is what was remarkable is this !

# 1 It speaks about your SPIRIT

# 2 It speaks about your SOUL

# 3 It speaks about your BODY .


# 1 When the RICH MAN DIED , his SPIRIT went back to God that gave it , ECC 12:7

# 2 His SOUL was in HELL .

# 3 His BODY was in HELL .

And this is where all those under the LAW WENT .

So when anyone dies , A BELIEVER SAVED BY GRACE GOES ?
# 1 THE BODY goes to the GRAVE !
# 2 So where does those saved by GRACE GO TODAY ?
# 3 Where does there BODY and SPIRIT , GO ??

The body goes to the grave and decays.

Their spirit is with Christ (2 Co 5:1-9).

 

[Dan Perez]

W

e are sleeping brides with candles full of oil and waiting for our Groom to finish our bridal chamber,perhaps.

And I have a different view and would like your thoughts ?

# 1 We are not sleeping brides as I have not seen a verse saying the BODY of CHRIST are brides .

AS in 1 Cor 12: 13-17 we are Christ's , FOOT

In verse 16 , we are CHRIST'S EARS and EYE'S

In verve 17 , we are his EAR'S and his HEARING and are HIS , SENSE of SMELL

This means we are THE BODY of CHRIST !!

dan p

 

[Grafted In]

And I have a different view and would like your thoughts ?

# 1 We are not sleeping brides as I have not seen a verse saying the BODY of CHRIST are brides .

AS in 1 Cor 12: 13-17 we are Christ's , FOOT

In verse 16 , we are CHRIST'S EARS and EYE'S

In verve 17 , we are his EAR'S and his HEARING and are HIS , SENSE of SMELL

This means we are THE BODY of CHRIST !!

dan p

I agree, but not just yet.
Like in marriage, the 2 shall become one.

It is my belief that (and many OT Scipture shows shadows and types) 'the dead in Christ" are just that.
When we die, I have nothing to share about where we go and will we be conscious.
But we wait for that shout to wake us up
Just like when Jesus brought Lazerus back. He shouted his name.
Consciousness until then?
I don't believe so at this point in my life.
God has not revealed that answer to me.
Maybe there is a clue in the resurrection of Lazarus.
I believe we become the Bride of Christ after we are caught up together in the air.
As for now we are engaged.

 

[Dan Perez]

The body goes to the grave and decays.

Their spirit is with Christ (2 Co 5:1-9).

AND I know of the verse and believe it will HAPPEN when ??

And 2 Cor 5:8 IS NOT SPEAKING ABOUT RESSURRECTION AT ALL ,

Meaning that when we die , EACH ONE IS NOT RESSURRECTED ONE ,AT A TIME WHEN A BELIEVER DIES !!

And when we LIVING or DEAD and 1 Thess 4:15 explain EXACTLY as I wrote HERE .

dan p

 

[FreeinChrist]

ADVISOR HAT

This thread was moved to this forum from Dispensationism as it is a better fit for the topic.​

 

[Dan Perez]

I agree, but not just yet.
Like in marriage, the 2 shall become one.

It is my belief that (and many OT Scipture shows shadows and types) 'the dead in Christ" are just that.
When we die, I have nothing to share about where we go and will we be conscious.
But we wait for that shout to wake us up
Just like when Jesus brought Lazerus back. He shouted his name.
Consciousness until then?
I don't believe so at this point in my life.
God has not revealed that answer to me.
Maybe there is a clue in the resurrection of Lazarus.
I believe we become the Bride of Christ after we are caught up together in the air.
As for now we are engaged.

I agree, but not just yet.
Like in marriage, the 2 shall become one.

It is my belief that (and many OT Scipture shows shadows and types) 'the dead in Christ" are just that.
When we die, I have nothing to share about where we go and will we be conscious.
But we wait for that shout to wake us up
Just like when Jesus brought Lazerus back. He shouted his name.
Consciousness until then?
I don't believe so at this point in my life.
God has not revealed that answer to me.
Maybe there is a clue in the resurrection of Lazarus.
I believe we become the Bride of Christ after we are caught up together in the air.
As for now we are engaged.

And I have 2 verse and then your thoughts ?

# 1 , Is in 2 Cor 12 :1-5 where Paul was TAKEN to PARADISE , some call this and INTERMEDIATE STATE .


# 2 Is in 1 Cor 5:1-5 , BUT verse 5 is the most INPORTANT !!

dan p

 

[Grafted In]

And I have 2 verse and then your thoughts ?

# 1 , Is in 2 Cor 12 :1-5 where Paul was TAKEN to PARADISE , some call this and INTERMEDIATE STATE .


# 2 Is in 1 Cor 5:1-5 , BUT verse 5 is the most INPORTANT !!

dan p

#1
I do not necessarily disagree but God has not spoken to me, so I search for one who God has given the deep understanding I want.

#2
I have always wondered about the man's soul. There's no mention and that brings up my question.
Is the man saved and had he not repented, would he be lost?
But perhaps I missed what you were trying to share with me.
Thank you

 

[Grafted In]

I wanted to add that I struggle wondering if this is not a picture of the unpardonable sin.

 

[Grafted In]

Hello Dan.
I shared my thoughts on the 2 portions of Scripture.
I invite you to comment.