On "Explanations" of the L.A. Wildfires

[Stephen3141]

Debunking 5 claims about the California wildfires

As wildfires continue to spread in southern California, misinformation about the response to the fires have cropped up online. Here are 5 claims debunked.

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The L.A. fires are still burning.
There has been no time for a careful "post-game" analysis of them.

But, already, there are "explanations" that are being asserted,
as if they were facts.

Christians should reject these speculations, and wait for objective
analyses of why the fires are so devastating.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

People are so locked into their political sides that no analysis or explanation will matter much anymore.
Rational communication is a thing of the past if it ever existed at all.
Now we have Elon Musk reinstating Alex Jones to deepen the insanity.

 

[ozso]

Debunking 5 claims about the California wildfires

As wildfires continue to spread in southern California, misinformation about the response to the fires have cropped up online. Here are 5 claims debunked.

abcnews.go.com

Summery: Trump is wrong. Newsom did nothing wrong.

 

[HarleyER]

Christians should reject these speculations, and wait for objective
analyses of why the fires are so devastating.

You're assuming there's going to be the "objective analyses".

The reasons why the fires are so devastating is that there are too few fire fighters for which they were warned about, little water from destruction of dams and reservoirs, lots of kindling from brush that was never cleared away, a homeless problem who love to start fires (probably stemming from illegals) that they failed to addressed, and a government that valued small fish, the Braunton’s milkvetch, and climate change over its people.

It doesn't take much to know how fire starts. California has been warned for years and years and they have done nothing. Instead, they cut the budget for fire fighting. And still the Democrats are playing politics by linking an emergency fire package with giving $50 million to resist Trump's efforts to deport illegals.

Well, California wanted climate change and now they have it in full force. In two days they put more pollutants in the air than all the cars in California in one year.

Christians shouldn't speculate, but we shouldn't be stupid either.

 

[Stephen3141]

How hydroclimate whiplash contributed to the severity of California wildfires

Hydroclimate whiplash -- the rapid shift between wet and dry conditions -- likely contributed to the severity of the wildfires in Southern California, experts say.

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Air pollution, causing weather changes, led to 2 years of very wet weather in Los
Angeles, followed by a year of very low rainfall.

The result was 2 years of heavy undergrowth, which dried out in the 3rd year, and
provided a huge amount of fire fodder for the windy winter season.

Americans are going to have to get used to dealing with huge weather swings, and
seasonal weather that is missed, or badly accentuated. These weather swings will change
where land is safely habitable, in America, and how houses and cities are built.

Note that, regardless of whether inhabitants accept that climate change is happening,
the insurance companies are withdrawing insurance coverage to homes that are
STATISTICALLY too dangerous, to insure. Insurance companies don't care whether or
not a home owner believes that climate change is real -- they simply compute the
frequency of disasters in different areas, and only insure areas where they can make
some profit.

 

[Stephen3141]

You're assuming there's going to be the "objective analyses".

The reasons why the fires are so devastating is that there are too few fire fighters for which they were warned about, little water from destruction of dams and reservoirs, lots of kindling from brush that was never cleared away, a homeless problem who love to start fires (probably stemming from illegals) that they failed to addressed, and a government that valued small fish, the Braunton’s milkvetch, and climate change over its people.

It doesn't take much to know how fire starts. California has been warned for years and years and they have done nothing. Instead, they cut the budget for fire fighting. And still the Democrats are playing politics by linking an emergency fire package with giving $50 million to resist Trump's efforts to deport illegals.

Well, California wanted climate change and now they have it in full force. In two days they put more pollutants in the air than all the cars in California in one year.

Christians shouldn't speculate, but we shouldn't be stupid either.

I'll wait for the objective analyses, from experts.

 

[Stephen3141]

What caused the LA fires? We explain what's known so far and how fire causes are determined

What, specifically, happens when investigators try to determine the cause of fires? We interviewed experts to find out.

laist.com

The search for the cause of a fire is detailed, takes experts, and may take
months.

Christians should refrain from speculation.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Well, here's one cause;

MSN

 

[HarleyER]

I'll wait for the objective analyses, from experts.

HA! You mean you'll wait for Mayor Bass and Gov. Newsom to issue their findings.

 

[Stephen3141]

https://www.npr.org/2025/01/15/nx-s1-5256348/los-angeles-fires-safety-evacuation-improvement-preparation

There are real causes of the destructive nature of these Los angelesfires,
that are not the popular conspiracy theories.

One is that the state has allowed people to build houses in narrow canyons,
that have very narrow and winding roads. It is impossible to get large fire
trucks into many of these canyons. These areas could never have been
defended from wild fires.

Another problem is that many Los Angeles homes are built very closely
together. When homes are closer together than a viable fire break, then
these rows of houses will offer wild fires a road, right through the city.

These problems, which go back decades in the housing codes of Los
Angeles, have nothing to do with the current conspiracy theories that
supposedly explain the destructive nature of the current fires.

 

[HarleyER]

It is impossible to get large fire
trucks into many of these canyons.

It is also impossible to get large fire trucks into these canyons when over half of their fire trucks are sitting in the repair shop waiting for parts that the city failed to see as a priority in their budget and deleted from the budget. I guess DEI programs were far more important.

Dozens of fire trucks waiting for repair while fires ravage LA​

MSN

 

[Stephen3141]

https://www.npr.org/2025/01/17/nx-s1-5261859/los-angeles-wildfires-houses-survived-defensible-space

Note that the newer building codes, seriously cut down on how flammable
homes are. Many of the destroyed homes were built before the newer codes
went into effect.

 

[Fantine]

Summery: Trump is wrong. Newsom did nothing wrong.

Wow, the president elect is 5 for 5 in providing misinformation in order to throw shade on a political enemy and a very prosperous progressive state that sends $89 billion more to the treasury every year than it receives back in federal money.

California's largesse bankrolls the needs of the poorest states in the country like Mississippi and Alabama, red states that are balking at helping California in its hour of need.

We are one nation, and California deserves federal assistance as much as red states hit by hurricanes and other disasters.

Kudos to Texas Governor Abbott, a notable exception, who sent firefighters and equipment to California to help them fight the fire.

 

[ozso]

Wow, the president elect is 5 for 5 in providing misinformation in order to throw shade on a political enemy and a very prosperous progressive state that sends $89 billion more to the treasury every year than it receives back in federal money.

California's largesse bankrolls the needs of the poorest states in the country like Mississippi and Alabama, red states that are balking at helping California in its hour of need.

We are one nation, and California deserves federal assistance as much as red states hit by hurricanes and other disasters.

Kudos to Texas Governor Abbott, a notable exception, who sent firefighters and equipment to California to help them fight the fire.

You'd think with all that, LA county wouldn't have been severely lacking in the recourses needed to combat the wildfires that destroyed ten thousand homes and buildings.

 

[Fantine]

Think about 99 mph winds. Like a strong hurricane. Lasting for days.
Climate change is real.

 

[HarleyER]

https://www.npr.org/2025/01/17/nx-s1-5261859/los-angeles-wildfires-houses-survived-defensible-space

Note that the newer building codes, seriously cut down on how flammable
homes are. Many of the destroyed homes were built before the newer codes
went into effect.

Can you supply us with a picture of a neighborhood where newer building code homes are standing while older homes have been burnt to the ground? That would be interesting. I've only found only a few homes so far that survived the fire. These buildings were purposely design for such an event. But even the architecture of one admitted that it is impossible to totally fireproof a building and stated that they were very lucky.

Of course, no one has said how much it cost to build such a structure.

‘It was built for this’: how design helped spare some homes from the LA wildfires​

‘It was built for this’: how design helped spare some homes from the LA wildfires

As fires set LA ablaze, some houses are left standing amid ashes thanks to concrete walls, class A wood – and luck

www.theguardian.com

 

[Stephen3141]

When houses are fuel: Why firefighting was no match for a California disaster decades in the making

Why firefighting was no match for a California disaster decades in the making.

www.nbcnews.com

Although it is people who start most of these wildfires, the current problem
is not Brush or Forests that are not cleared out, but the decades old
housing codes.

Housing codes have allowed outer walls to be built out of flammable material,
and houses closely together. It is the houses, themselves, that are the fuel for these
fires, not the underbrush.

Also, with firestorms, there NEVER could be enough fire trucks or firement to
put out the fire. Or, water.

Politicians should stop trying to make natural disasters, into opportunities to
blame the other party for their negligence.

America needs to rethink ALL its housing codes, to fireproof cities.

 

[HarleyER]

When houses are fuel: Why firefighting was no match for a California disaster decades in the making

Why firefighting was no match for a California disaster decades in the making.

www.nbcnews.com

Although it is people who start most of these wildfires, the current problem
is not Brush or Forests that are not cleared out, but the decades old
housing codes.

Housing codes have allowed outer walls to be built out of flammable material,
and houses closely together. It is the houses, themselves, that are the fuel for these
fires, not the underbrush.

Also, with firestorms, there NEVER could be enough fire trucks or firement to
put out the fire. Or, water.

Politicians should stop trying to make natural disasters, into opportunities to
blame the other party for their negligence.

America needs to rethink ALL its housing codes, to fireproof cities.

Nice try. You seem to want to blame it on old homes causing the fires. I doubt if the residences would agree:

How L.A. Bureaucracy Made It Harder to Clear Flammable Brush​

https://archive.ph/GVK6J#selection-2165.0-2165.60

List of Dam Removals in California

List of dam removals in California - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This isn't a "natural disaster". It has been talked about for years. This is inept environmental politicals who think they were saving the planet all the while they were destroying it.

 

[Fantine]

Almost all California forests are on federal land. When Trump asks Newsome why nothing was done, he should put a mirror to Trump's face and say he's the culprit.

 

[FireDragon76]

It is also impossible to get large fire trucks into these canyons when over half of their fire trucks are sitting in the repair shop waiting for parts that the city failed to see as a priority in their budget and deleted from the budget. I guess DEI programs were far more important.

Dozens of fire trucks waiting for repair while fires ravage LA​

MSN

That's only a minor factor in explaining the fire's devastation. A few extra firetrucks would not have made much of a difference. This is about bigger systemic issues.