On a President Issuing Broad Pardons

[Stephen3141]

https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/21/politics/republicans-reaction-trump-pardons-january-6/index.html

For Christians, after setting aside all the politicization of this event, there
are serious questions to ask...

1 What is the purpose of a fair rule of law?

2 Does engaging in violence against officials of the state, who are employed
to establish peace and orderliness, acceptable for Christians?

3 What are the justifications (if any) to engage in violent mob activity against
the state. (The videos of the rioting, describe lawless mob violence, and many
of the people involved could not coherently describe what they were fighting
for.)

4 If the claim is true, that the fair rule of law (and due process) is completely
broken in America, then why are politicians who claim this, NOT running on
an agenda that offers a defined and completely alternate law, that is fair?

Note that the justification ...

"My favorite politician says that the rule of law is completely broken"

is an Appeal to Authority. Where is the justification/argument, that this
"authority" actually is an authority on Morality-Ethics?

If the violence is based on the popularity of the violence, then Christians
ought to consider that the argument ...

"Most people think that this violence is acceptable,
therefore, it is acceptable."

is the logical fallacy of Ad Populam.
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Christians in America need to very carefully consider, what their abandoning
of formal logic and disciplined thinking (correlating with the electronic screen
generations), has brought them to.

If Christians in America cannot tell the difference between a conspiracy theory,
and truth, then the fair rule of law is finished, in America. And, that means also,
the end of "freedom of religion" in America. This is not simply a concern of one
political party, or another. All Christians will be badly affected.

 

[Laodicean60]

I don't like it! Seems to me it places the President above the law but I'm a firm believer in the laws of the land.

 

[Aaron112]

If Christians in America cannot tell the difference between a conspiracy theory,
and truth, then the fair rule of law is finished, in America. And, that means also,
the end of "freedom of religion" in America.

For over a century now ? (already for generations)

Folks, this is as serious as false doctrine can get!

footnote; I don't remember this - maybe was in buffer? Looks true for what it's worth though.

1 What is the purpose of a fair rule of law?

In usa the purpose seems to be to trick people, even or especially christians, into going along with sin and oppression and deception,

2 Does engaging in violence

no.

3 What are the justifications

zilch

4 If the claim is true, that the fair rule of law (and due process) is completely
broken in America, then why are politicians who claim this, NOT running on
an agenda that offers a defined and completely alternate law, that is fair?

They cannot.

"Most people think that this violence is acceptable,
therefore, it is acceptable."

is the logical fallacy of Ad Populam.

Members have to agree that truth is not the standard. Too sad, "don't make waves".

Christians in America need to very carefully consider, what their abandoning
of formal logic and disciplined thinking (correlating with the electronic screen
generations), has brought them to.

Not necessarily, no. Stay close to Jesus, always truthful and honest, works.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/21/politics/republicans-reaction-trump-pardons-january-6/index.html

For Christians, after setting aside all the politicization of this event, there
are serious questions to ask...

1 What is the purpose of a fair rule of law?

2 Does engaging in violence against officials of the state, who are employed
to establish peace and orderliness, acceptable for Christians?

3 What are the justifications (if any) to engage in violent mob activity against
the state. (The videos of the rioting, describe lawless mob violence, and many
of the people involved could not coherently describe what they were fighting
for.)

4 If the claim is true, that the fair rule of law (and due process) is completely
broken in America, then why are politicians who claim this, NOT running on
an agenda that offers a defined and completely alternate law, that is fair?

Note that the justification ...

"My favorite politician says that the rule of law is completely broken"

is an Appeal to Authority. Where is the justification/argument, that this
"authority" actually is an authority on Morality-Ethics?

If the violence is based on the popularity of the violence, then Christians
ought to consider that the argument ...

"Most people think that this violence is acceptable,
therefore, it is acceptable."

is the logical fallacy of Ad Populam.
---------- -----------

Christians in America need to very carefully consider, what their abandoning
of formal logic and disciplined thinking (correlating with the electronic screen
generations), has brought them to.

If Christians in America cannot tell the difference between a conspiracy theory,
and truth, then the fair rule of law is finished, in America. And, that means also,
the end of "freedom of religion" in America. This is not simply a concern of one
political party, or another. All Christians will be badly affected.

Everyone needs to be reminded on what a true and faithful Christian is first before addressing all the works performed by said Christians under " His Name". Time to self evaluate as Paul said:

2 Corinthians 13:5 which reads:
"Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you—unless, of course, you fail the test?"

Everyone should consider what they did or continue to do in " His name" and verify in truth and faith that it is the " Fathers will".
Blessings

 

[Aaron112]

I don't like it! Seems to me it places the President above the law but I'm a firm believer in the laws of the land.

Why are you a believer in the laws of the land ?

 

[FireDragon76]

Pardons are meant to be a last line of mercy for the failures of human institutions. Not political favors. Unfortunately, American voters are mostly apathetic, and will turn a blind eye to this type of behavior.

 

[Michael Z]

Is there a source or link detailing all the offenses of all pardoned?

 

[JimR-OCDS]

It's why I stated earlier that EO's are abused by the presidents.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/21/politics/republicans-reaction-trump-pardons-january-6/index.html

For Christians, after setting aside all the politicization of this event, there
are serious questions to ask...

1 What is the purpose of a fair rule of law?

2 Does engaging in violence against officials of the state, who are employed
to establish peace and orderliness, acceptable for Christians?

3 What are the justifications (if any) to engage in violent mob activity against
the state. (The videos of the rioting, describe lawless mob violence, and many
of the people involved could not coherently describe what they were fighting
for.)

4 If the claim is true, that the fair rule of law (and due process) is completely
broken in America, then why are politicians who claim this, NOT running on
an agenda that offers a defined and completely alternate law, that is fair?

Note that the justification ...

"My favorite politician says that the rule of law is completely broken"

is an Appeal to Authority. Where is the justification/argument, that this
"authority" actually is an authority on Morality-Ethics?

If the violence is based on the popularity of the violence, then Christians
ought to consider that the argument ...

"Most people think that this violence is acceptable,
therefore, it is acceptable."

is the logical fallacy of Ad Populam.
---------- -----------

Christians in America need to very carefully consider, what their abandoning
of formal logic and disciplined thinking (correlating with the electronic screen
generations), has brought them to.

If Christians in America cannot tell the difference between a conspiracy theory,
and truth, then the fair rule of law is finished, in America. And, that means also,
the end of "freedom of religion" in America. This is not simply a concern of one
political party, or another. All Christians will be badly affected.

My thoughts.
In this case those being pardoned were accused and convicted of a phony crime. There was no "insurrection." They were prosecuted and convicted for political reasons only. The prosecutors wanted to get Trump, and they had to use these people to get to him. It was a protest that turned into a roit and yes... people behaved badly. But that does not equate to an insurrection. Those that committed the crimes of breaking windows and entering an open door should be prosecuted to the same degree as the rioters who burned buildings and rioted in cities across the country the summer before. Of course many of those rioters were not prosecuted. Why where the Capital police who opened those doors to the "insurrectionists" and then escorted them around the building not prosecuted? It is all just silly.
The sentences applied to these "insurrectionists" were increased because of the false accusation of "seditious conspiracy". I know of no actual "crime" committed by these people that justified 20 years or even 2 years. I believe Trump considered these things when he pardoned the people. Yes they misbehaved and even rioted. Did it involve insurrection? No. The procesuction insisted that there people were told by Trump to attack the capital building and stop the certification of the election. Trump knows he did not do this, and so his pardon is totally justified. It was done to right a wrong committed for political reasons.
We don't do that in America..

 

[Laodicean60]

Why are you a believer in the laws of the land ?

Without it, things would be a lot messier. You don't follow the laws of the land?

 

[Stephen3141]

My thoughts.
In this case those being pardoned were accused and convicted of a phony crime. There was no "insurrection." They were prosecuted and convicted for political reasons only. The prosecutors wanted to get Trump, and they had to use these people to get to him. It was a protest that turned into a roit and yes... people behaved badly. But that does not equate to an insurrection. Those that committed the crimes of breaking windows and entering an open door should be prosecuted to the same degree as the rioters who burned buildings and rioted in cities across the country the summer before. Of course many of those rioters were not prosecuted. Why where the Capital police who opened those doors to the "insurrectionists" and then escorted them around the building not prosecuted? It is all just silly.
The sentences applied to these "insurrectionists" were increased because of the false accusation of "seditious conspiracy". I know of no actual "crime" committed by these people that justified 20 years or even 2 years. I believe Trump considered these things when he pardoned the people. Yes they misbehaved and even rioted. Did it involve insurrection? No. The procesuction insisted that there people were told by Trump to attack the capital building and stop the certification of the election. Trump knows he did not do this, and so his pardon is totally justified. It was done to right a wrong committed for political reasons.
We don't do that in America..

Note that few of the convictions were actually for "sedition".

Violently attacking police officers, is a crime in America,
regardless of the motivation of the attacker.

Most of the rioters were convicted of violence toward the police,
unlawful occupation of a government building, or impeding the
lawful working of the American government.

The confused "motivations" of the different defendants that were
convicted, were taken into account in the sentencing stage of their trial.