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Obama cuts military health care benefits for Vets and their families

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Only $2400 a year for family care? And only $460 a year for family care now?

Wow!

I am sure that civilian defense workers are paying at least $2400 now--probably more....

As military wages improve, perhaps they should be expected to pay more for their benefits.

I think we are paying $325 every two weeks for a family of three, so my heart isn't exactly bleeding for the retired colonel.

One of my friend's husbands (in the military) got a promotion (and I got kind of curious about his salary). $150K, according to the charts.

And a twenty-year pension? Not bad.

My nephew was thirty-seven when he started collecting his twenty-year pension (he never served in a war zone and was in one of the less arduous branches of the military).
 
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Fantine,

I can see that you have zero respect for the military. But that doesn't surprise me since you are a hardline liberal above all other things. Military members have to be separated from their families for extended deployments in hostile environments. And any military member can be called upon at any time to pay the ultimate sacrifice with their life by being sent to a war zone. Therefore, the military deserves something more than the average civilian especially when the vet has served 20 or more years.
 
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Fantine,

I can see that you have zero respect for the military. But that doesn't surprise me since you are a hardline liberal. Military members have to be separated from their families for extended deployments in hostile environments. And any military member can be called upon at any time to pay the ultimate sacrifice with their life by being sent to a war zone. Therefore, the military deserves something more than the average civilian especially when the vet has served 20 or more years.

I have a lot of respect for the military. My husband is a Vietnam veteran. His brother, three years younger, was in the Navy for twenty-three years, was never separated from his family, was never at war, and retired with a pension.

My niece was in the Navy for a few years, was in the Gulf, got Gulf War syndrome, and is battling cancer (and on a VA disability). Her brother retired with a pension and was never in a war zone.

So our family history would belie your assertions. The two that retired from the military with pensions never went to war--and the two that were in the military for short periods got Agent Orange illnesses and Gulf War Syndrome, respectively. It is a terrible thing for a forty year-old with two teenagers to be battling cancer...

BTW, if the colonel (or other military retirees) received any injuries at war---even qualifying them for 10% disabilities--they can get free care from the VA, based on a priority list, of course, with the sickest getting the highest priority. My hubby thought he wouldn't use it, and then he found that the VA was giving him better care than his private doctor was---even though his priority level was 4 out of 8 (the lowest levels are veterans who don't have service connected illnesses and are getting care based on low income and assets.)
 
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Obama has been making cut after cut after cut to the military. People who have been in the military during this time know this. The Dems are like a pack of sharks in a feeding frenzy on the military. If Obama gets reelected, the military will suffer more for it. But if a Republican gets in and they become the majority in Washington, the run away train of reckless cuts to the military will come to a sudden stop. Dems hate the military as much as Republicans hate Planned Parenthood.
 
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When wars end, the military are not needed in the great numbers they were when the wars were in full swing.

At least the Democrats are trying to give hiring incentives to those who hire vets so that they will not return home to unemployment.

If we keep our military at wartime strength, we will be too tempted to return to war....after all these years fighting ill-advised wars, it's time for us to focus on domestic issues.
 
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When wars end, the military are not needed in the great numbers they were when the wars were in full swing.

At least the Democrats are trying to give hiring incentives to those who hire vets so that they will not return home to unemployment.

If we keep our military at wartime strength, we will be too tempted to return to war....after all these years fighting ill-advised wars, it's time for us to focus on domestic issues.
You obviously haven't been keeping up with world news if you think this is a time of peace.
 
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Only $2400 a year for family care? And only $460 a year for family care now?

Wow!

Actually, Fantine, it was supposed to be for free. That was the contract. In order to get the people to make the military their career, they were told by the recruiters that the medical care for them and their families was to be free. But then the folks in charge didn't think it bad to break their word and slowly, ever so slowly, medical care for the retireds and those people married to soldiers, sailors, or airmen (they are called dependents even if they aren't) was cut. They got treated worse and worse (some things were denied them, there were long waiting times etc. and they were considered "bottom of totem pole".) Finally (I think it was in the mid-1990s) the only way a retired military person could still get military medical care was if he signed up for Tricare something and paid the fee--$460 and then was prepared to follow restrictions (part of those restrictions was an actual medical first aid book to cut down on trips to the doctor which was assigned anyway.) Those who found jobs in the civilian world, would have their I.D. cards stamped "civilian medical care" (My I.D. card is stamped "civilian medical care" because I had already been under care of a civilian doctor and I was unable to switch to solely military care, so we were never able to use military care after the retireds were "kicked out".) So husband never had to pay for the Tricare something, and payment for my medical care in the civilian world was out-of-pocket. Then we purchase a little policy (you know even civilians can purchase their own insurance policies) and it was okay until now with this totally unaffordable Affordable Care Act causing the rise in premiums, co-pays, and the loss of services.

Sooo the fact that the military must pay for medical care which was supposed to be free and that it was increased from $460 to over $2000 just shows how well the government keeps its promises to its military. Just off hand, I don't think breaking one's word is something to be proud of.
 
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When wars end, the military are not needed in the great numbers they were when the wars were in full swing.

At least the Democrats are trying to give hiring incentives to those who hire vets so that they will not return home to unemployment.

If we keep our military at wartime strength, we will be too tempted to return to war....after all these years fighting ill-advised wars, it's time for us to focus on domestic issues.
What a load of unsubstantiated (Santorum swear word)
 
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My contempt for Obama has no bounds. As far as I'm concerned, he wouldn't make a patch on the behind of any one of the veterans he's reducing benefits for (all while he lives the life of a gilded king, of course, and has done a hell of a lot less for this country than the veterans did).

I wouldn't scrape Obama off the bottom of my shoe. I'd throw the shoes away. The man is below vermin.
 
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When wars end, the military are not needed in the great numbers they were when the wars were in full swing.
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Thats true, but those that have served, are owed continuing support for the rest of their lives, not just for the duration of their service.
 
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Thats true, but those that have served, are owed continuing support for the rest of their lives, not just for the duration of their service.

Absolutely correct. But of course, Obama, never having served as anything more strenuous than a rabble-rouser, would have no concept about that.

Respect is something you have to earn. He hasn't earned anything.
 
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There are conflicts in the world, certainly, conflicts that don't directly involve us.

And we are trying to use sanctions and negotiation, along with other nations.

Terrorists act outside of official governments, and it is counterproductive to attack whole countries, poisoning their environments, leaving waste behind that will kill and disable their unborn babies and poison their future, hurting civilians. We learned that, didn't we? In the end, it took a few good men (Navy Seals) and good intelligence to find Osama Bin Laden and rescue hostages in Africa.

Fareed Zakaria (CNN, Time Magazine), writing about Iran's potential nuclear development, wrote that before India and Pakistan had nuclear capacity, they had had many wars that resulted in many deaths. In the 40 years since they have had nuclear capacity, they have had deterrence, and the wars have ceased.

Iran wants nuclear power because Israel has nuclear power. If Iran had nuclear power, would Israel continue to feel comfortable in the way it treats the Palestinians? Would it return the territories it seized n the 8 days war? Would there be more peace instead of less?

No one is saying that Iran's nuclear capacity would be a good thing----wouldn't it be good if every country laid down its arms?

Maybe it's time for the US to start using its brains instead of its brawn.

I've said many times that developing alternative forms of energy, lowering world demand for oil, would do more for world peace than ten years of fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan did...

With less income and less valuable natural resources, the middle east becomes a lot less dangerous, without our firing a shot.

What's happening in the military parallels what's happened in private industry. Wake up and smell the coffee. It's happened to union members, teachers, firemen, policemen, employees in banking and every other industry. They've all lost their benefits and their pensions....

No wonder why so many became Democrats.
 
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Fantine, the reason we need a strong military is to *prevent* war and to protect trade routes. (Jesus spoke about a strong man guarding his house, and even in naturem it's the strong that are given deferential treatment--not the weak.)

As one example: Just imagine if the Isthmus Canal was closed (a real possibility because the mideastern countries naturally respect strength and well, Obama portrays us as weak and not deserving of respect). Well then the cargo is going to have to travel around Africa (right by those pirates who just *love* to hold ships for ransom--and don't you think there are going to be more once they realize that unlike in the Barbary War, the U.S. wants to pay tribute. Think about the soaring prices just because of the extra thousands of miles to market. And think about that whole new department that will necessarily come into being--"the department of Tribute and Paying Ransom" (but wouldn't have been necessary if we had a strong military to protect our interests.)

I don't know about you, but I really am not interested in seeing my country become a third rate nation.
 
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Fantine, the reason we need a strong military is to *prevent* war and to protect trade routes. (Jesus spoke about a strong man guarding his house, and even in naturem it's the strong that are given deferential treatment--not the weak.)

As one example: Just imagine if the Isthmus Canal was closed (a real possibility because the mideastern countries naturally respect strength and well, Obama portrays us as weak and not deserving of respect). Well then the cargo is going to have to travel around Africa (right by those pirates who just *love* to hold ships for ransom--and don't you think there are going to be more once they realize that unlike in the Barbary War, the U.S. wants to pay tribute. Think about the soaring prices just because of the extra thousands of miles to market. And think about that whole new department that will necessarily come into being--"the department of Tribute and Paying Ransom" (but wouldn't have been necessary if we had a strong military to protect our interests.)

I don't know about you, but I really am not interested in seeing my country become a third rate nation.

*rolls eyes*
 
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*rolls eyes*

If the health care law is overturned, we already are a third rate nation. We are an embarrassment!

Every other industrialized country in the world has universal health care--while the United States doesn't. We don't invest in education for our children. We don't invest in our infrastructure. We don't invest in the health of our citizens.

Our unemployment rate was so high that even the Mexicans decided they were better off staying home than moving here.
 
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