Modest Apostolic clothing - your thoughts?

[Kareny]

Hi sisters, I was wondering what is your point of view about "modesty" concerning your outer wear. I mean what kind of clothes do you consider "modest"? In my case, even though I think of myself as a young person I'm actually quite strict and old fashioned when it comes to my clothes. I try to always cover my arms, I don't owe even one pair of trousers, I wear only skirts and dresses and I only consider them proper when my ankles are covered. If I wear something shorter I just don't feel comfortable. My husband really likes this idea because this way only he can see me in my skin only .
I especially love denim and most of my skirts are from this material. However I have hard time finding shops selling skirts that would be long enough for me and would fulfil my requirements. Most of them have long splits, I used to just sew them up but as I was still apprentice in sewing some skirts just ended up hard to walk. However I wear them on occasions when I don't need to walk very much. Anyway I think a modest woman should walk with small steps from time to time. I also try to raise my daughter this way. I realize it's not really fashionable and I don't fit very well in modern trends but I guess I will stay like that. What do you think about it, share your opinion.

 

[Biblicist]

Apostolic!!!

 

[dayhiker]

Kareny ... welcome to CF.

I think its fine for you but I don't see any reason for anyone else to dress that way unless they want to.

 

[ltwin]

Hi sisters, I was wondering what is your point of view about "modesty" concerning your outer wear. I mean what kind of clothes do you consider "modest"? In my case, even though I think of myself as a young person I'm actually quite strict and old fashioned when it comes to my clothes. I try to always cover my arms, I don't owe even one pair of trousers, I wear only skirts and dresses and I only consider them proper when my ankles are covered. If I wear something shorter I just don't feel comfortable. My husband really likes this idea because this way only he can see me in my skin only .

If those are your convictions, then I respect that. I don't see anything particularly "apostolic" about covering your arms or ankles (The apostles rarely gave precise instructions on clothing. In 1 Corinthians 11, Paul instructed women to veil themselves when praying or prophesying, but this was partly because in the ancient Mediterranean world a woman's hair was seen as an extension of her sexuality, akin to genitalia and thus needed to be covered in the presence of men and of "angels.")

If that places your conscience at ease, then I certainly don't object to you doing that. We have a woman in our church who only wears denim skirts, but she does this out of personal conviction only.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Since there IS NO SUCH THING as "Apostolic Clothing", I'm assuming that you are speaking of the "Oneness" paradigmatic "Clothesline Holiness" practices.

Bottom line -

Romans 14 is the key - WHAT YOU CAN DO IN FAITH - that do.

What you Can't do in FAITH is SIN for YOU.

ROm 14:22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

Also Rom 14:
3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

THE PROBLEM comes in when folks with "Denominational paradigms" try to BIND THEIR RELIGIOUS CONVICTIONS on other folks who don't see things in the same light, And JUDGE them for not doing it "Their Way".

 

[mourningdove~]

Hi sisters, I was wondering what is your point of view about "modesty" concerning your outer wear. I mean what kind of clothes do you consider "modest"? In my case, even though I think of myself as a young person I'm actually quite strict and old fashioned when it comes to my clothes. I try to always cover my arms, I don't owe even one pair of trousers, I wear only skirts and dresses and I only consider them proper when my ankles are covered. If I wear something shorter I just don't feel comfortable. My husband really likes this idea because this way only he can see me in my skin only .

I especially love denim and most of my skirts are from this material. However I have hard time finding shops selling skirts that would be long enough for me and would fulfil my requirements. Most of them have long splits, I used to just sew them up but as I was still apprentice in sewing some skirts just ended up hard to walk. However I wear them on occasions when I don't need to walk very much. Anyway I think a modest woman should walk with small steps from time to time. I also try to raise my daughter this way. I realize it's not really fashionable and I don't fit very well in modern trends but I guess I will stay like that. What do you think about it, share your opinion.

Hi Kareny!

How funny that you addressed your 'sisters' ...
and so far, 4 brothers have responded!!! lol!

Well, I AM a sister, and so I will say this:

Do what your conscience tells you. Be who you are, and be happy to be that person,
and never let anyone take away from you the person that God has wonderfully created you to be!

God bless you!

 

[jiminpa]

Since there IS NO SUCH THING as "Apostolic Clothing", I'm assuming that you are speaking of the "Oneness" paradigmatic "Clothesline Holiness" practices.

Bottom line -

Romans 14 is the key - WHAT YOU CAN DO IN FAITH - that do.

What you Can't do in FAITH is SIN for YOU.

ROm 14:22 Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

Also Rom 14:
3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

THE PROBLEM comes in when folks with "Denominational paradigms" try to BIND THEIR RELIGIOUS CONVICTIONS on other folks who don't see things in the same light, And JUDGE them for not doing it "Their Way".

I would like to add to that the part about considering the conscience of those around you. Within reason. I'm just saying that it's not okay for a Christian woman to dress to be a stumbling block, hide behind "freedom," and excuse her part because it's the men's problem. Yes, it is our problem, but it's a problem that every one of us men struggle with, so don't make it a greater struggle, again within reason.

 

[FuegoPentecostes]

I agree with holiness dress . . . I attend a trinitarian holiness Pentecostal church and we have always believed in holiness as something outward and inward. As men and women, we are different, we have different strengths and weaknesses. Therefore, we believe the Bible has put in place more external holiness standards for women than men, yet men have more internal holiness standards. Many times throughout scripture, men are instructed to act holy, since our greater weaknesses are action-based, and women are instructed to look holy. It's not something we have just made up, it's something that after carefully searching the Word we have believed God wants for us.

It's only legalism when churches say "DO THIS DO THIS DO THIS", and people are just doing stuff cuz it's "church rules". But the legalism goes away when churches truly offer study opportunities for the holiness standards, and people follow them because they truly want to obey the Word of God and live holy, not just do what the pastor says.

 

[PraiseHisName9]

I don't believe in holiness dressing as it is not biblical to tell someone how to dress but kudos to you for wanting to cover yourself, it's more than most do.

 

[kspchemist]

I don't believe in holiness dressing as it is not biblical to tell someone how to dress but kudos to you for wanting to cover yourself, it's more than most do.

Paul does tell the churches he started for men to look like men and women to look like women. If you look like a she-male or a he-she, then you need to change your dress.

 

[PraiseHisName9]

I'm sorry did all women wear DENIM SKIRTS back in the day? Um, no.

 

[kspchemist]

I'm sorry did all women wear DENIM SKIRTS back in the day? Um, no.

I'm sorry but Paul told men to look like men and ladies to look like ladies.

 

[kspchemist]

Did I say anything about denim skirts?

 

[PraiseHisName9]

Did the bible tell us exactly about how women should dress? Yes, they should look like women, but I think having breasts is enough to make them "look like women".

 

[FuegoPentecostes]

Did the bible tell us exactly about how women should dress? Yes, they should look like women, but I think having breasts is enough to make them "look like women".

Actually, God makes it clear there is men and women clothing, it's not just our bodies that should make the distinction. I don't need to state the famous Deuteronomy verse, we all know it.

When it comes to modesty, God gives us His idea of modesty clearly in Genesis. When Adam and Eve realized they were naked, they tried to cover themselves by making loin-cloth fig leaf garments. In God's eyes, however, they were still naked, so he clothed them correctly. The exact name of the garment escapes me at the moment, but He clothed them with a simple tunic-like garment that covered from the neck to below the knees and had sleeves (that was also worn commonly in Israel, which is how we know this). That is modest dressing (how we know we are covered enough) to God for both sexes, a garment that covers from the neck to below the knees and has sleeves.

 

[PrincessGirl1989]

I believe that it all has to do with your conviction. If you feel as though this is how you should dress...then go for it.... You should not be seen negatively for it, since it is a personal conviction and you are not pushing it on anyone else. I believe it is very important for us women to keep modesty in mind when dressing. We should have mercy on the men around us. Not all men want to look, but when we are out there flashing everything under the sun, how are they not to notice. Oh, about your long skirts with the high slits in them...you can cut out a piece of other fabric and sew it into the slit....That way you can move easier....plus you can add a little bit of your personality to the skirt by the fabric you choose...Anyway, thanks for bringing up this topic...nice to meet you Sister!

 

[PraiseHisName9]

Actually, God makes it clear there is men and women clothing, it's not just our bodies that should make the distinction. I don't need to state the famous Deuteronomy verse, we all know it.

When it comes to modesty, God gives us His idea of modesty clearly in Genesis. When Adam and Eve realized they were naked, they tried to cover themselves by making loin-cloth fig leaf garments. In God's eyes, however, they were still naked, so he clothed them correctly. The exact name of the garment escapes me at the moment, but He clothed them with a simple tunic-like garment that covered from the neck to below the knees and had sleeves (that was also worn commonly in Israel, which is how we know this). That is modest dressing (how we know we are covered enough) to God for both sexes, a garment that covers from the neck to below the knees and has sleeves.

It said he gave them coats. That's all it says. And if you can't back up what you say with scripture that clearly states it that way than you need not speak something as fact.

 

[FuegoPentecostes]

It said he gave them coats. That's all it says. And if you can't back up what you say with scripture that clearly states it that way than you need not speak something as fact.

From Genesis to Revelation God shows us what He believes is modest apparel, through implicit and explicit teaching. For those who are truly interested in pleasing God and living holy and who search their Bible, this is made clear.

In the beginning, Adam and Eve were naked and not ashamed, as we all know, they were clothed in innocence. When they sinned, they became aware of their nakedness, and it was a shame to them. Sin brought shame to nakedness.

Genesis 3:7
And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

So they tried to cover themselves (they realized they were immodest and this was not okay). The Hebrew word for apron:

chagowr {khag-ore’} or chagor {khag-ore’} and (feminine) chagowrah {khag-o-raw’} or chagorah {khag-o-raw’}
Hebrew: personal noun masculine
Possible Definitions:
1) girdle, belt
2) girdle, loin-covering, belt, loin-cloth, armour
(Strongs’ 2290, see also Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament, 640a, 640c)

Their aprons only covered their pubic and loin areas, and so what does God do?


Genesis 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

He CLOTHED them, a.k.a in God's eyes they were STILL NAKED WITH THE LOIN CLOTH COVERING. This is where a Christian needs to see that God sets His standard for modest dress for His people (God doesn't change right?) The Hebrew word used for the coats God made (which were in no way simply coats) is kathoneth. A kathoneth is a tunic with sleeves that covers from the neck to below the knees and is loose fitting. Imagine a robe-type garment.

God makes it clear He wants His people to be modest, so clearly He covered Adam and Eve in what He believes is modest clothing - a garment with sleeves that covers from the neck to below the knees and is loose fitting.

 

[willlowbee]

I'm sorry did all women wear DENIM SKIRTS back in the day? Um, no.

Do you wear clothing made with two different threads?

I know women who shop at Muslim women's online shops for their Christian attire. Gorgeous clothing that fall to the ground with head wear as well. Scarves that can be draped over the head or worn in hijab style if one wishes it.

All in keeping with appearing as a woman should. And keeping in mind that back in the Biblical times men wore gowns like those that are depicted as Muslim women's attire today. They did not wear pants. So a woman today, Christian, who wishes to wear pants is not at all dressing like a man in the day.
Even in the zipper variety because they have nothing behind the zipper that would accommodate that appliance being added to a man's new age pants.

 

[Miss Elly]

Hi sisters, I was wondering what is your point of view about "modesty" concerning your outer wear. I mean what kind of clothes do you consider "modest"? In my case, even though I think of myself as a young person I'm actually quite strict and old fashioned when it comes to my clothes. I try to always cover my arms, I don't owe even one pair of trousers, I wear only skirts and dresses and I only consider them proper when my ankles are covered. If I wear something shorter I just don't feel comfortable. My husband really likes this idea because this way only he can see me in my skin only .
I especially love denim and most of my skirts are from this material. However I have hard time finding shops selling skirts that would be long enough for me and would fulfil my requirements. Most of them have long splits, I used to just sew them up but as I was still apprentice in sewing some skirts just ended up hard to walk. However I wear them on occasions when I don't need to walk very much. Anyway I think a modest woman should walk with small steps from time to time. I also try to raise my daughter this way. I realize it's not really fashionable and I don't fit very well in modern trends but I guess I will stay like that. What do you think about it, share your opinion.

If you feel more holy wearing a certain kind of dress, then do it. The blood of Jesus is what saves us, not our clothes. By the way, modesty is not wearing clothes that are designed to send men a lusting, like they are so prone to do. Not too tight, not showing half the body. I realize some men would lust over a 400 pound woman in a toe sack, but that is beside the point. Many years ago, would you wear today would be considered a sin and very immodest by society, I am sure. It's the heart, dear. Its the heart.