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I have a question about the way the term idolatry is frequently used today in modern Christianity. This term gets thrown around regularly to describe anything that seemingly comes between us and GOD.

I am not debating that things that interfere with our relationship with GOD are acceptable, but I am questioning why the term idolatry is used as frequently as it is.

For example, I know Jesus says you cannot serve both GOD and money. So the principle that one shouldn't purse money to a greater extent than GOD is true. And if earning money becomes more important than serving GOD, then this is undoubtedly a problem. But is there room for this to occur and not actually be compared to be engaging in classical idolatry?

I can think of one time when Paul uses idolatry figuratively. (Please correct me if I'm wrong) Most every usage of idolatry in the bible is actual textbook idolatry. So why is it so frequently used to describe non-traditional idolatry? I'm not bringing this up as an issue just to argue, but I feel like its excessive usage creates a situation where perspective is lost.

For example, many times I have heard people describe caring for our kids to an excessive extent as idolatry. And I understand what they mean. We shouldn't put our kids before GOD. But providing for our kids and raising them up correctly should be a large priority in our lives. And this might be an area that we put so much time and effort that someone else labels it idolatry.

Ultimately, I'm questioning whether the excessive use of this term diminishes its actual intended meaning. The way that it is used in modern times, a better question is what couldn't be described as idolatry?

Your thoughts are appreciated.

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I have a question about the way the term idolatry is frequently used today in modern Christianity. This term gets thrown around regularly to describe anything that seemingly comes between us and GOD.

I am not debating that things that interfere with our relationship with GOD are acceptable, but I am questioning why the term idolatry is used as frequently as it is.

For example, I know Jesus says you cannot serve both GOD and money. So the principle that one shouldn't purse money to a greater extent than GOD is true. And if earning money becomes more important than serving GOD, then this is undoubtedly a problem. But is there room for this to occur and not actually be compared to be engaging in classical idolatry?

I can think of one time when Paul uses idolatry figuratively. (Please correct me if I'm wrong) Most every usage of idolatry in the bible is actual textbook idolatry. So why is it so frequently used to describe non-traditional idolatry? I'm not bringing this up as an issue just to argue, but I feel like its excessive usage creates a situation where perspective is lost.

For example, many times I have heard people describe caring for our kids to an excessive extent as idolatry. And I understand what they mean. We shouldn't put our kids before GOD. But providing for our kids and raising them up correctly should be a large priority in our lives. And this might be an area that we put so much time and effort that someone else labels it idolatry.

Ultimately, I'm questioning whether the excessive use of this term diminishes its actual intended meaning. The way that it is used in modern times, a better question is what couldn't be described as idolatry?

Your thoughts are appreciated.

Thanks
Idolatry in the NT is defined as giving anything or anyone the place that rightfully belongs to our Father. Here is one key verse in scripture:

Colossians 3:5: "Put to death therefore what is earthly in you: sexual immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry."

Blessings

On a side note, caring for our children is absolutely not considered idolatrous. Ridiculous!
 
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I have a question about the way the term idolatry is frequently used today in modern Christianity. This term gets thrown around regularly to describe anything that seemingly comes between us and GOD.

I am not debating that things that interfere with our relationship with GOD are acceptable, but I am questioning why the term idolatry is used as frequently as it is.

For example, I know Jesus says you cannot serve both GOD and money. So the principle that one shouldn't purse money to a greater extent than GOD is true. And if earning money becomes more important than serving GOD, then this is undoubtedly a problem. But is there room for this to occur and not actually be compared to be engaging in classical idolatry?

I can think of one time when Paul uses idolatry figuratively. (Please correct me if I'm wrong) Most every usage of idolatry in the bible is actual textbook idolatry. So why is it so frequently used to describe non-traditional idolatry? I'm not bringing this up as an issue just to argue, but I feel like its excessive usage creates a situation where perspective is lost.

For example, many times I have heard people describe caring for our kids to an excessive extent as idolatry. And I understand what they mean. We shouldn't put our kids before GOD. But providing for our kids and raising them up correctly should be a large priority in our lives. And this might be an area that we put so much time and effort that someone else labels it idolatry.

Ultimately, I'm questioning whether the excessive use of this term diminishes its actual intended meaning. The way that it is used in modern times, a better question is what couldn't be described as idolatry?

Your thoughts are appreciated.

Thanks
I would say that God makes a very stringent definition of what constitutes idolatry, considering the following:

Matthew 10:37-39 NKJV

"He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for My sake will find it."

Self - is the greatest idol of all. Exactly Who Jesus conquered in His walk and in His death.

He commands us to do the same. Only possible by full daily submission to Him.

God bless!
 
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Idolatry in the NT is defined as giving anything or anyone the place that rightfully belongs to our Father. Here is one key verse in scripture:

Colossians 3:5: "Put to death therefore what is earthly in you: sexual immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry."

Blessings

On a side note, caring for our children is absolutely not considered idolatrous. Ridiculous!
But is the terminology of idol used in any other place than this? This is the only place I can recall its use in the New Testament. And I guess my point is it sure is used frequently in modern times for there to only be one use of it in this way.
 
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I would say that God makes a very stringent definition of what constitutes idolatry, considering the following:

Matthew 10:37-39 NKJV

"He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for My sake will find it."

Self - is the greatest idol of all. Exactly Who Jesus conquered in His walk and in His death.

He commands us to do the same. Only possible by full daily submission to Him.

God bless!
So I definitely understand that concept but my question is that correctly labeled idolatry based on that use in scripture. I feel like many people will engage in a practice or use language if it’s explicitly in scripture and the term idolatry doesn’t seem to be used in a way that people use it today. Does that make sense?
 
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But is the terminology of idol used in any other place than this? This is the only place I can recall its use in the New Testament. And I guess my point is it sure is used frequently in modern times for there to only be one use of it in this way.
I believe the modern use of idolatry is a quick" go to" for people pointing out their displeasure with a persons attitude or actions. For instance , there is more impact when one says "You watch too much football , this is idolatry! ". Wala! This action of watching too much football just became a sin. So it can be a tool for shame in many cases. So each case needs to be discerned.
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So I definitely understand that concept but my question is that correctly labeled idolatry based on that use in scripture. I feel like many people will engage in a practice or use language if it’s explicitly in scripture and the term idolatry doesn’t seem to be used in a way that people use it today. Does that make sense?
Well, certainly God means more than just worshipping blocks of wood and stone. A few more examples:

1 Corinthians 10:7

"Do not be idolaters, as some of them were; as it is written: “The people sat down to eat and drink and got up to indulge in revelry.”

Sounds like he's referencing "lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of good." Certainly applies to the vast majority of American culture, doesn't it? Pretty broad brush. I figure, for example, paying entertainers millions and following them around and filling our minds with their words and adopting their worldly philosophies is certainly more dangerous to our souls than bowing before a block of wood.

That goes for any ungodly examples of "success" we lavish praise upon, including yes, sports stars. If we were just like them, we'd have it made! And don't they tell us so.

I figure the words "star" and "celebrity" are perfect designations for "idol".

Another example:

Collossians 3:5

"Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry."

Sounds pretty modern to me.

God bless!
 
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Maybe the fact I'm hard of hearing and generally don't hear much in group conversations has a bit to do with it, but I don't hear the term "idolatory" used much in general conversation in Christian circles.

Mind you I see the occasional protestant barb aimed at Catholics about "idols" (saints, icons, Mary etc), but in general it's not a term that seems to be in common use.

Obviously we can come up with plenty of "idols" if we put our mind to it - I "idolised" a motor bike I had when I was young for a short while. Meanwhile most "idols" these days are mass produced - celebrities on social media, cars, expensive homes (tidal waves, hurricanes, wars and the LA fires show how tenuous those idols can be), healthy bank accounts and investments - they call all become idols if we're not careful.

So I just keep plodding on trying (not always successfully) to wean myself off idols (getting rid of my surplus books would be a good start).
 
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Maybe the fact I'm hard of hearing and generally don't hear much in group conversations has a bit to do with it, but I don't hear the term "idolatory" used much in general conversation in Christian circles.

Mind you I see the occasional protestant barb aimed at Catholics about "idols" (saints, icons, Mary etc), but in general it's not a term that seems to be in common use.

Obviously we can come up with plenty of "idols" if we put our mind to it - I "idolised" a motor bike I had when I was young for a short while. Meanwhile most "idols" these days are mass produced - celebrities on social media, cars, expensive homes (tidal waves, hurricanes, wars and the LA fires show how tenuous those idols can be), healthy bank accounts and investments - they call all become idols if we're not careful.

So I just keep plodding on trying (not always successfully) to wean myself off idols (getting rid of my surplus books would be a good start).
I assume it depends on what circle we are all in. People that I’m around and listen to overuse the term “idolatry.” By their use of the term, everything is an idol. And I guess ultimately I am attempting to investigate whether this is accurate. I’m not arguing that it’s untrue that we tend to allow things/people get in the way of our relationship with god. It just seems like biblically idolatry meant idolatry and there seem to be like 1 or two examples of it being linked to how it’s used today.
 
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I have a question about the way the term idolatry is frequently used today in modern Christianity. This term gets thrown around regularly to describe anything that seemingly comes between us and GOD.

I am not debating that things that interfere with our relationship with GOD are acceptable, but I am questioning why the term idolatry is used as frequently as it is.

For example, I know Jesus says you cannot serve both GOD and money. So the principle that one shouldn't purse money to a greater extent than GOD is true. And if earning money becomes more important than serving GOD, then this is undoubtedly a problem. But is there room for this to occur and not actually be compared to be engaging in classical idolatry?

I can think of one time when Paul uses idolatry figuratively. (Please correct me if I'm wrong) Most every usage of idolatry in the bible is actual textbook idolatry. So why is it so frequently used to describe non-traditional idolatry? I'm not bringing this up as an issue just to argue, but I feel like its excessive usage creates a situation where perspective is lost.

For example, many times I have heard people describe caring for our kids to an excessive extent as idolatry. And I understand what they mean. We shouldn't put our kids before GOD. But providing for our kids and raising them up correctly should be a large priority in our lives. And this might be an area that we put so much time and effort that someone else labels it idolatry.

Ultimately, I'm questioning whether the excessive use of this term diminishes its actual intended meaning. The way that it is used in modern times, a better question is what couldn't be described as idolatry?

Your thoughts are appreciated.

Thanks

Idolatry, at its core, is distorted worship; the worship of that which isn't God. That's why idolatry is used a lot to describe a lot of things.

The most obvious form of idolatry is literally worshiping images of false gods. The word eidolon in Greek means "image", and specifically referred to the essence-form of a person, in the Septuagint and in the New Testament Jews and Christians used this word to describe the visible forms of things which were viewed as an expression of a god or a thing to be worshiped. In the Paganisms of the ancient world people would create a form that was understood to be an expression of a god's power and presence. This could mean a statue of Zeus, or it could mean an asherah--a cultic pole used in the worship of the goddess Asherah, or it could refer to an image of Caesar which was thought of expressing the genius of Caesar, who was seen as divine or quasi-divine.

The Decalogue expressly condemns the making of and worshiping of "graven images", Hebrew pesel "that which is cut" or "that which is hewn", the LXX translates the Hebrew as eidolon. This is within the context of "you shall have no other gods" and also includes forbidding the making of the likeness or similitude of earthly or celestial creatures (beasts, the sun, etc) within the context of worship.

When Moses came down from the mountain he found that his brother Aaron had permitted the Israelites to melt down gold and fashion a golden calf, which they worshiped as the eidolon of God--this act resulted in Moses smashing the tablets of stone and a most severe punishment.

We see throughout the Old Testament that not only is the worship of the idols of other gods condemned; but it is expressly forbidden to try and make an idol of the true God.

The only image of God which the Bible does not condemn is the image which God Himself made: human beings. Not as objects of worship, but rather who were created with that image-bearing vocation to rule and govern all of creation and to worship God alone.

When human beings fell, that is when idolatry entered the picture--the distortion of the worship of the Good Creator God and the distortion of the good human vocation. In that sense all sin is idolatry. We are, in our sin, innately idolatrous. So St. Paul describes the fallen human condition in Romans ch. 1, that even though the Divine Wisdom and Power of God are displayed throughout His creation, human beings do not naturally worship Him, instead their inclination, their drive, is to worship created things, attribute power to gods of their imagination, and as a consequence all of their desires are malformed, everything gets twisted about, distorted, and goes entirely haywire.

In Jesus we behold the restoration of the Divine Image, Jesus who is Himself God made flesh, restores humanity to what it is supposed to be. Through the first man's disobedience has come sin and death to all; so through the Second Man's obedience has come justification and resurrection from the dead.

Redemption, salvation, isn't chiefly about "going to heaven when we die", it's about the Good Creator God setting things to rights--and He is doing that by restoring us to rights, justifying us. And healing us, restoring and repairing us (sanctification, theosis), because in Jesus the human vocation is re-affirmed, restored, and redeemed--and indeed glorified; reaching is perfection, it's telos--it's intended goal--in Him. And that is what the promise of resurrection means, that the renewal and resurrection of these bodies of ours, and their transformation from decay to glory, is essential to God's project of new creation, of healing creation, of restoring and renewing creation.

And so idolatry is not merely a particular act in which we go and worship a fake god, or offer a pinch of incense to Caesar. It's the distortion of our human vocation from bearing the Divine Image, and the right and proper worship of the Good Creator God who made us to know Him and love Him, to be loved by Him, and to be servant-kings and priests who minister in God's good creation. All sin is idolatry; all sin turns us away from beholding the True God who made heaven and earth, and toward false images, things we call divine but are not; idols of our mind, idols of our making, idols of every kind of stripe. Thus power, wealth, sex, graven things, the objects of the lusts of the flesh, our sinful ambitions, our malice toward others who are also made in God's image--racism, hatred of the other, fear of people different from ourselves, our selfishness, our greed, our hard-heartedness, every single aspect of our sinful lusts is a perversion; it distorts, it stands in the way of what it means to be in communion with God. It leads us to distorted views about God, to worship the created rather than the Creator.

Idolatry and the distortion of our God-given human vocation go hand-in-hand. And this is a lesson we learn time and again throughout Scripture; it begins in Genesis, and we see it all the way through Israel's many pitfalls, and we see the way God is fixing this problem through Jesus.

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We are all guilty of putting things before GOD. I'm not disputing that. But doesn't the term "idolatry" lose its usefulness is we start saying all sin is idolatry?

In Ephesians 5:5 and Colossians 3:5 he equates certain sins with idolatry. But did he intend on equating EVERY sin with idolatry?
 
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We are all guilty of putting things before GOD. I'm not disputing that. But doesn't the term "idolatry" lose its usefulness is we start saying all sin is idolatry?

In Ephesians 5:5 and Colossians 3:5 he equates certain sins with idolatry. But did he intend on equating EVERY sin with idolatry?

I think this involves a deeper dive into what sin is.

In Lutheran circles there is a Latin expression we use to describe the fallen human condition: homo incurvatus in se. It translates to man curved or bent inward upon or into himself; that the direction of our desires is turned inward, toward ourselves.

The words in Hebrew and Greek usually translated as sin often carry the meaning of "missing the mark" or "error". In Hebrew we have chata, a word that indicates failing to hit one's target, such as if firing an arrow and missing the bullseye. In Greek we have harmatia, a word that means error, or flaw; in the stories of Greek epic legendary figures, the hero's downfall is because of a fatal flaw, harmatia, such as Achilles infamous heel in Homer's Iliad.

Scripture speaks of, for example, also of the "lusts of the flesh", and more broadly of "the flesh". This is not an attack on our physical forms, of our material composition as flesh and blood creatures. Our material composition is actually good, created by God. What this idea of "the flesh" and its lusts (or desires or appetites) is getting at is the waywardness of our natural inclinations, it's that our desires, our inclinations, our drives are distorted, perverted, there is something deeply, deeply wrong with us. And that deep wrong cuts all the way to the core of who and what we are. This is what early Christian theologians like St. Augustine of Hippo were getting at when talking about Original Sin. To describe the deep wrongness present in each and every one of us as the common, inherited wrongness of Adam from when he fell.

That is what homo incurvatus in se is getting at. That we are, in our deep deep wrongness, innately directed toward ourselves; so that the natural bodily drives are twisted, jumbled, confused, messed up in all kinds of ways. The natural desire of human beings to procreate and form intimate bonds--sex--is not a bad thing. It's a very good thing, God declared "Go forth and multiply", love, intimacy, and procreation are good things and part of God's good creation. But what happens when sex gets twisted and perverted? Where we view other human beings made in God's image with lustful eyes, objectifying them, viewing them as something to be possessed for our own selfish pleasure and satisfaction? What happens when we seek to dominate? We violate the other person, we harm them, we create misery. Relationships are broken, intimacy fails, people engage in horrid and repugnantly wicked acts like rape and sexual assault. There is adultery and infidelity, there is abuse of all different kinds. Add to this things like envy, and jealousy, and malice, and myriad forms of violence and it is multiplied time and again. Resulting in trauma, destruction, and death. We can talk any natural inclination and its perversion, even things like hunger or thirst or the desire for safety and shelter. The resulting hoarding of food, creating conditions in which some have plenty and many are lacking in basic necessities; or the creation of unjust and evil social conditions in which homelessness, hunger, poverty, and many don't even have access to clean drinking water. All of these things stem right from the wicked and debased heart of human beings broken and cursed by the distorted, perverted, appetites of the flesh.

That's sin.

And at the core of all of that sin is this: We are not in a state of right order with God and all other creatures; the human vocation to bear the Divine Image, to reflect God, to bear God's beauty and goodness in creation is fundamentally broken.

We can also talk about what it means to worship.

To speak of human beings created for worship we should not imagine that this means that human beings were created to attend a temple and engage in particulare religious rites, to construct shrines or altars, etc. The meaning of worship is to bear the true reflection of the Creator God.

Consider this idea "the image of God", and how ancient people thought of images of the divine. In Pagan cultures that involved making literal idols, taking stone and wood, carving a depiction, and understanding that these images in some way reflected the god or goddess' likeness and power--a way for the god to be present in the world, to be interacted with, engaged--such as offering a sacrifice or libation or something.

Now consider how, when God decides He is going to dwell among His people after bringing them out of Egypt, He commands them to make no image at all, and yet He tabernacles with them--quite literally--in the Tabernacle (and then later the Temple). God's Temple has no image--or does it?

"In the image of God He made them" reads Genesis.

There is an image of God, it's human beings, not literal representations of God as though God has a face, eyes, ears, a nose, two arms, etc.

And yet, God became flesh, became human, in Jesus Christ. Jesus is also what? He is also the Temple, and the Great High Priest.

What the Tabernacle of old foreshadowed, God dwelling among His people, is given fullness in Jesus, the God-Man; and the Church comprised of people united to this same Jesus by Grace by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. And we are pointed toward the Day when God will be all in all, new heavens and new earth, where God dwells in fullness. In the Revelation of St. John, John notes that he sees no temple in the great city.

This is all about worship. What it means to worship God. As Jesus says to the Samaritan woman, it's not about Mt. Gerizim as the Samaritans thought, or even the Temple Mount as the Jews (rightly) said; instead the Day is coming, Jesus said, when true worshipers of God worship in Spirit and truth. That can only happen when human beings have been born anew, and brought back into the healing and restoring and redeeming power of God, bringing them out of the Exile of sin and death, through a new Exodus into the Life of the Resurrection in Jesus Christ.

Sin is, at its heart, the distortion of what it means to be human, what it means to be the Image-bearing creation of God; and that infects and twists and distorts the whole human enterprise--and thus worship. To worship the Creator God by being a fully human person, alive with God's Life, filled with God's Life and Goodness, working and living and being the true reflection of the Creator in the world, serving and ministering in the Holy Place of God's Creation. Where our day-to-day, in-and-out ordinary life is praise and honor of God's Beauty and Glory as the Maker of Heaven and Earth, the One who loves and is loved; who made us to love and be loved; who brought all things into existence out of His love.

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I have a question about the way the term idolatry is frequently used today in modern Christianity. This term gets thrown around regularly to describe anything that seemingly comes between us and GOD.

I am not debating that things that interfere with our relationship with GOD are acceptable, but I am questioning why the term idolatry is used as frequently as it is.

For example, I know Jesus says you cannot serve both GOD and money. So the principle that one shouldn't purse money to a greater extent than GOD is true. And if earning money becomes more important than serving GOD, then this is undoubtedly a problem. But is there room for this to occur and not actually be compared to be engaging in classical idolatry?

I can think of one time when Paul uses idolatry figuratively. (Please correct me if I'm wrong) Most every usage of idolatry in the bible is actual textbook idolatry. So why is it so frequently used to describe non-traditional idolatry? I'm not bringing this up as an issue just to argue, but I feel like its excessive usage creates a situation where perspective is lost.

For example, many times I have heard people describe caring for our kids to an excessive extent as idolatry. And I understand what they mean. We shouldn't put our kids before GOD. But providing for our kids and raising them up correctly should be a large priority in our lives. And this might be an area that we put so much time and effort that someone else labels it idolatry.

Ultimately, I'm questioning whether the excessive use of this term diminishes its actual intended meaning. The way that it is used in modern times, a better question is what couldn't be described as idolatry?

Your thoughts are appreciated.

Thanks
A statue or relief image is not an idol if no one worships it. A statue, painting, or any image is an idol when people worship it. Any objected that is created and that people worship is an idol. Thus if some worship their bible, saying it is "the Word" and hence is "God" they have made the bible an idol.
 
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