Medjugorje

[pax]

What are everyone's opinions regarding the Medjugorje apparitions. I've been a skeptic for awhile, but I've been intrigued by them recently. It looks like they've produced a lot of good fruit. The Church hasn't condemned them or approved them because they've been ongoing.

Thanks a lot!

Pax

 

[King of the Nations]

What are everyone's opinions regarding the Medjugorje apparitions. I've been a skeptic for awhile, but I've been intrigued by them recently. It looks like they've produced a lot of good fruit. The Church hasn't condemned them or approved them because they've been ongoing.

Thanks a lot!

Pax

Our late Holy Father was very much a fan of the site, which, while not definitive, should tell us all something.

 

[King of the Nations]

Spirit Daily​

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Couple Who Received Papal Letters On Medjugorje Found To Be Highly Credible



We are pleased to announce that we've confirmed the credibility of Marek and Sofia Skwarnicki, finding in fact that they are a highly respected and indeed well-known Polish couple who received letters from Pope John Paul II documenting the legendary Pope's positive view of the apparitions at Medjugorje.

The confirmation is crucial because the letters appear to be the first known case where the Pope's feelings about the famed site have been recorded in writing.

For many years, bishops, priests, and laymen visiting the Pope reported his positive view, but that view lacked documentation until personal correspondence between the late Pope and Skwarnickis -- who live in Krakow -- came to the surface in recent days. Marek and Sofia made four of the letters available to followers of Medjugorje but did not want the actual copies widely disseminated until formal Church review.

Those letters indicate not just an interest in Medjugorje -- where the Blessed Mother has appeared since 1981 -- but an actual devotion.

On May 28, 1992, for example, the late Pope wrote, "I thank Zofia for everything that regards Medjugorje. I am also going there every day in prayer: I join everyone who is praying there or who derives the call to prayer from there. Today we have understood this call better."

The actual letters may be included in an upcoming book by Marek, a well-known Polish journalist who first met John Paul II when the future pontiff was a priest in 1958 and served as John Paul II's poetry editor, collaborating with him on the final issue of the meditations, Roman Triptych. Skwarnicki's career largely was spent working on the editorial board as an editor and reporter for the weekly Tygodnik Powszechny and a monthly called Znak, published in Krakow.

The nationwide weekly and monthly were founded by Krakow Cardinal Sapieha, who was predecessor of the future Pope, Karol Wojtyla. The Pope published all of his poems and some articles in the publications. Marek is also a member of the Pontifical Council of Laity and was present on twenty of the Pope's trips, covering them as a journalist and esteemed author.

Born in 1930, Skwarnicki took part as a boy in the Warsaw Uprising and was arrested by Gestapo, who sent him to a concentration camp called Mauthausen. His wife Sofia was one of the first pilgrim leaders to Medjugorje, largely responsible for sparking interest in Medjugorje in Eastern Europe.

"My wife received information about the apparition in October of 1983," Skwarnicki told Spirit Daily, adding that Sofia succeeded in getting two books about Medjugorje published at the same time that she developed an involvement with the trade union, Solidarity -- which was crucial in the downfall of Communism. "News from Medjugorje gave the suppressed Catholic society hope," recalls Marek, whose wife started the first bulletin on the apparitions in Poland -- no doubt contributing to the Pope's interest in the site of apparitions, which he prevented from being rejected by a hostile local bishop later in the 1980s.

The Pope mentioned Medjugorje in another letter on February 25, 1994, making reference to the war in former Yugoslavia. "Zofia writes about the Balkans," said the Pope. "Now we can better understand Medjugorje. We can better understand this mother's 'insistence' today, when we have the magnitude of such danger before our eyes. Equal is the answer of special prayer, prayer for the people of the whole world. It gives us a hope that here goodness will win, that peace is possible. That was the main idea of the prayer day, January 23."

 

[JeffreyLloyd]

Don't know much about it, but from what I hear, it's not good...

 

[Adammi]

Don't know much about it, but from what I hear, it's not good...

Ditto.

 

[krstlros]

You hear many atttractors and detractors regarding the events at Medjugorje. Remember, leave your heart open to the possibilities and God will guide you in the right direction.

I for one, am a great advocate of Medjugorje. Although I have yet to go on a pilgrimage there, my research and reading regarding the site has brought me to a closer relationship with our Holy Mother and Her Son Jesus Christ. Her message has always been to pray in order for us to draw closer to God and her Son. As well all do, I have come neglectful of praying my Rosary. However, Medjugorje has given me a deeper love for the Rosary and I have never left my house without one.

Here is their official website, www.medjugorje.org , Take a look at it, and I encourage you to ask questions if and when they come up.

Just a word of warning, there are many on OBOB who do not advocate and are very vocal in their negative views on Medjugorje.

Prayers and blessings upon you.

 

[HisLittleOne]

What are the bad things that are being said about Medjugorje? I don't know much about the apparitions and I'm curious. I heard that they're sort of a continuation of Fatima... and I loooove Fatima.

 

[krstlros]

What are the bad things that are being said about Medjugorje? I don't know much about the apparitions and I'm curious. I heard that they're sort of a continuation of Fatima... and I loooove Fatima.

That's what I've heard too.

I'm sure there are those that can list it better than I, but here are a few:

The visionaries have questionable character.
The local bishop doesn't approve of what is happening.
The Pastor at St. Joseph's has been censured by the local bishop.
Mary's message have been called into question.
etc, etc, etc.

Don't know what else there is. However, I'm sure you're going to hear of them.

 

[D'Ann]

I choose to be grateful for whatever blessings or good fruit derives from the apparitions at Medjugorje and Fatima. The Catholic Church has not condemned these apparitions and there must be something to them or else the CC would of done so by now. Whereby, by not condemning, they are accepting indirectly and unofficially. Atleast, that is my understanding.

God's Peace,

Debbie

 

[King of the Nations]

Here's another lengthy, but fairly informative article...​

Greg

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Spirit Daily​

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Bishop Claims John Paul Told Him to Visit Medjugorje In Disguise



Our position on apparitions or other alleged mystical experiences has always been to quote and accept what the Church has ruled, if it has made any form of declaration, whether we agree with it or not.



When it comes to Medjugorje, the objective facts are clear and simple to verify with the Vatican itself: there is not yet a final determination on it. Catholics are allowed to go there, as are priests, but not as official parish pilgrimages, since there is not yet such approval. In 1986 the local bishop overseeing Medjugorje proposed rejection of the apparitions, but the Vatican, through Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, did not accept this negative ruling and handed the matter over to a national committee of bishops that has not yet concluded with a definitive study.



It remains unclear exactly how Cardinal Ratzinger -- now Pope Benedict XVI -- personally views Medjugorje, and whether his stand in its favor was at his own initiative or that of Pope John Paul II. We do know there have been many reports on how the late Pope viewed the apparitions, and one such testimony comes from Bishop Pavel Hnilica – an old friend of the Pope's who had resided in Rome since the fifties, after he escaped from the Communists in Slovakia. A recent interview with him reveals that John Paul II once suggested that this bishop visit the apparition site in disguise. That is interesting because there is at least one credible report that, as prefect for the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Pope Benedict XVI may also have visited Medjugorje incognito.



By one tally, 160 bishops have visited the site, along with thousands of priests.



The following interview was conducted by Marie Czernin for the German Catholic monthly magazine PUR. The article followed two others about Medjugorje published during October, in the magazine of the Italian Bishops Conference, Avvenire, which speaks in a positive way about Medjugorje. One of them reports that the Italian UN forces based in Sarajevo went on pilgrimage to Medjugorje in order to thank the Queen of Peace for her protection during their peace mission in Bosnia. Anyway, here is the remarkable Hnilica interview, for your discernment:



Marie Czernin: Bishop Hnilica, you spent much time with the Pope John Paul II and you had many private encounters with him – for example when you visited him at the Gemelli Hospital shortly after the attempt on his life, May 13, 1981. Did you ever speak with the Pope about the events in Medjugorje?



Bishop Pavel Hnilica (B.P.H.) – I visited the Holy Father in 1984. We had lunch at Castel Gandolfo, his summer residence, and I told him about the Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, which I had done in the muscovite Cathedral of the Assumption on March 24 that same year, according to what Our Lady had asked in Fatima. When I told the Holy Father about these events, he was very touched and he said: “The Virgin Mary led you there under her protection.” I responded: “No, Holy Father, she was carrying me in her arms!” After this, he asked me what I was thinking about Medjugorje and if I had visited that place. I answered that the official Vatican had not forbidden me to go, but that I was counseled not to do it. The Pope looked at me and said: “Go to Medjugorje incognito as you went to Moscow. Who can forbid you this?” The Pope had not given me an official authority to go there, but he found another solution. He continued to speak, and he showed me a book about Medjugorje written by René Laurentin. He started to read some chapters and he underlined that the messages of Medjugorje are in close relationship with those of Fatima. “Look, Medjugorje is a continuation, an extension of Fatima. Our Lady is appearing in Communist countries primarily because of problems that originate in Russia,” said the Pope, who already took this as a mission of his pontificate. This is why I immediately understood the connection.

After the conversation with the Pope, I visited Medjugorje incognito three or four times, but the former bishop of Mostar-Duvno, Pavao Zanic, wrote a letter to me asking me not to visit Medjugorje any more; if I refused, he said, he would write to Pope himself. It seems that somebody informed him about my visit. However, there was no reason for me to be afraid of the Holy Father.



Marie Czernin -- Did you have other occasions to speak with the Holy Father about Medjugorje?



Bishop Hnilica – Yes, the next time we spoke about Medjugorje was on August 1, 1988. A group of doctors from Milan, who were testing the children, came to visit the Pope in Castel Gandolfo. One of the doctors mentioned that the bishop of Mostar was giving them a hard time. The Pope said: “As he is the bishop of that place, you have to respect him.” Then he continued in a cordial tone: “But he will have to answer before God if he has not acted in a right way.” After this, the Pope was pondering a few moments, and then he said: “Today’s world has lost the sense of supernatural, in other words, the sense of God. But many people rediscover this feeling in Medjugorje through prayer, fasting and the sacraments.” For me personally, this is the strongest explicit witness about Medjugorje.



What has especially and profoundly impressed me is the fact that the doctors, who were present, declared “non constat de supernaturalitate.” The Pope, for his part, recognized a long time before that the supernatural events are really at work in Medjugorje. Through many sources, the Pope came to the conviction that God can be experienced in this place."



Marie Czernin -- Is it possible that many things that happen in Medjugorje can be invented?



Bishop Hnilica – Some years ago, there was a youth meeting in Marienfried, and I was invited. During the encounter, a journalist asked me: “Bishop, don’t you believe that all that is happening in Medjugorje comes from the devil?" My answer: “I am a Jesuit. Saint Ignatius taught us how to discern spirits, but he also taught us that each event can have three different sources: human, Divine, or diabolic.” At the end, he agreed with me that what is happening in Medjugorje cannot be explained from a human point of view – the fact that every year normal young people – thousands of them – are attracted there and stream in order to reconcile with God. Medjugorje has already been named “confessional of the world” because, as a phenomenon, neither Lourdes nor Fatima managed to spur that many people to go to Confession. What is happening during Confession? The priest is delivering the sinner from the devil. Then I answered to the journalist: “Off course, Satan is capable of many things, but he is not capable of one thing: Is it possible that Satan spurs people to go for Confession in order to be delivered precisely from him?” The journalists laughed, understanding what I wanted to say. Therefore, the only cause remains in God. Later on, I told the Holy Father about this conversation.



Marie Czernin -- How would you summarize the messages of Medjugorje? What is distinguishing these messages from those in Lourdes or Fatima?



Bishop Hnilica – In all three places, Our Lady is inviting us to repentance, forgiveness and prayer. In this aspect of the message, these three apparitions are similar. However, the difference in Medjugorje is that the apparitions are lasting for more than twenty years now. The intensity of the continuation of the supernatural is neither declining nor diminishing during all these years, and the result is an even greater number of intellectuals who are converted here.



Marie Czernin -- Some do not consider the events of Medjugorje as genuine because war broke out in this region, which has for result that nations turned one against another: isn’t this a place of peace and not of conflict?



Bishop Hnilica – In 1991 (10 years after the first message: “peace, peace and only peace”), when the war broke out in Croatia, I met the Pope once again, and he asked me: “How can the apparitions of Medjugorje be explained in the midst of the war in Bosnia?” Really, the war was terrible, so I answered: “It seems that we are in the same situation as at Fatima. If Russia had immediately been consecrated to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, the Second World War and the spreading of Communism and atheism would have been avoided. Holy Father, as soon as, in 1984, you consecrated Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, countless changes took place in Russia, and the fall of the Communism began. In Medjugorje, Our Lady started with the warning that there would be a war if we were not converted. Nobody took these messages seriously. Maybe, if the bishops of former Yugoslavia had accepted these messages more seriously, it would not have gone that far – but in any case, this would not have been a guarantee of the definitive recognition of the official Church, because the apparitions are still going on today.” The Pope told me: “Then, Bishop Hnilica is convinced that my action of consecration to the Immaculate Heart of Mary was valid?” I answered: “Certainly it was valid; the only question is how many bishops really did the same consecration in union with the Holy Father.”



Marie Czernin -- Why is it so important that other bishops should have done the same in the sense of what Holy Father has done?



Bishop Hnilica – It is expressing the collegiality of the Church; in other words, the unity of the bishops with the Pope gives to it a far deeper meaning. When Karol Wojtyla was elected Pope, I congratulated him, but I immediately told him that something would be missing in his pontificate if he did not consecrate Russia together with all the bishops. He told me then: “If you manage to convince bishops about this, I will do it tomorrow.” This is why, after the consecration (March 25,1984), he asked me how many bishops concelebrated with me. As I could not answer this question, the Pope said: “Every bishop must prepare his diocese, every priest his community, every father his family, because Our Lady said that lay people must also consecrate themselves to her Heart.”

 

[D'Ann]

Wow Greg, excellent article. Thank you for sharing this.

Debbie

 

[krstlros]

Thanks Greg for the two articles.

Peace
Anne

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

The visionaries have questionable character.

How so? I know they didn't become nuns like Lucia at Fatima, but is there something else?

(Hope I am not gossiping?)

 

[krstlros]

I'm not sure what the list is. However, someone who is not in favor or rather accepting of the apparitions will probably have a very long extensive list.

Sorry, I'm not much help.

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

I found a list of troubling messages here but I don't know if it is accurate or not. I searched the following official messages for the world and they contain nothing of the sort described below.

If the apparition did in fact say such things, then I have serious problems with it...but like I said, I didn't see anything of the sort in the official messages.

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Below are the problematic statements. I found these statements written in books by those who believe and support the apparitions at Medjugorje:

1. ( Question to Vicka ) "There are millions of people on earth who are not Christian--what does the Blessed Mother want of them?"

( Vicka: ) "To pray. All people on earth are born with knowledge of God in their hearts. Everyone has his own way to pray. The Blessed Mother is the mother of all people on earth. She has a mother’s love for them all, and her messages, which are from God, are for everyone.

( Question: ) "Then it doesn’t matter what name or person they call God?"

( Vicka: ) There is only one God. It is man who makes divisions."

( Page 51, Queen of the Cosmos by Connell )

2. ( Question to Vicka ) "Is the Blessed Mother calling all people on earth to be Catholic?"

( Vicka: ) "No! The Blessed Mother says all religions are dear to her and her Son. She says it is we on earth who have made division."

( Page 119, The Visions of the Children, Connell )

3. ( Interview with Marjana by Father Tomislav Vlasic )

Mirjana: "The Madonna always stresses that there is but one God, and that people have enforced unnatural separation. One cannot truly believe, be a true Christian, if he does not respect other religions as well. You do not really believe in God if you make fun of other religions."

( Father: ) "What, then, is the role of Jesus Christ, if the Moslem religion is a good religion?"

( Mirjana: ) "We did not discuss that." ( The role of our Lord Jesus Christ ) "She merely explained, and deplored, the lack of religious unity, ‘especially in the villages.’ She said that everybody’s religion should be respected, and of course one’s own." ( Page 124, The Apparitions of Our Lady at Medjugorje, Kraljevic )

4. ( Interview with Ivanka by Father Svetozar Kraljevic )

( Ivanka: ) "The Madonna said that religions are separated in the earth, but the people of all religions are accepted by my Son.

( Father S.: ) Does that mean that all people go to heaven?

( Ivanka: ) It depends on what they deserve.

( Father: ) Yes, but many have never heard about Jesus.

( Ivanka: ) Jesus knows all about that; I don’t. The Madonna said, basically, religions are similar..." ( Ibid, 149 )

5. ( A statement from the apparition: )

"God presides over all religions as a king controls his subjects, through his priests and ministers."

( Ibid, 95 )

6. ( A statement from the Apparition: )

"Tell this priest, tell everyone, that it is you who are divided on earth. The Muslims and the Orthodox, for the same reason as the Catholics, are EQUAL before my Son and me. You are all my children. Certainly, all religions are not equal, but all men are equal before God... Those who are not Catholic are no less creatures made in the image of God, and destined to rejoin someday the House of the Father." ( Page 85-86, The Final Harvest, Weible )

7. ( A statement from the Apparition: )

"My Son and I do not cut the cake where faiths are concerned. You have put the walls, the division between yourselves..." ( Ibid, 110 )

 

[D'Ann]

I found a list of troubling messages here but I don't know if it is accurate or not. I searched the following official messages for the world and they contain nothing of the sort described below.

If the apparition did in fact say such things, then I have serious problems with it...but like I said, I didn't see anything of the sort in the official messages.

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Below are the problematic statements. I found these statements written in books by those who believe and support the apparitions at Medjugorje:

1. ( Question to Vicka ) "There are millions of people on earth who are not Christian--what does the Blessed Mother want of them?"

( Vicka: ) "To pray. All people on earth are born with knowledge of God in their hearts. Everyone has his own way to pray. The Blessed Mother is the mother of all people on earth. She has a mother’s love for them all, and her messages, which are from God, are for everyone.

( Question: ) "Then it doesn’t matter what name or person they call God?"

( Vicka: ) There is only one God. It is man who makes divisions."

( Page 51, Queen of the Cosmos by Connell )

2. ( Question to Vicka ) "Is the Blessed Mother calling all people on earth to be Catholic?"

( Vicka: ) "No! The Blessed Mother says all religions are dear to her and her Son. She says it is we on earth who have made division."

( Page 119, The Visions of the Children, Connell )

3. ( Interview with Marjana by Father Tomislav Vlasic )

Mirjana: "The Madonna always stresses that there is but one God, and that people have enforced unnatural separation. One cannot truly believe, be a true Christian, if he does not respect other religions as well. You do not really believe in God if you make fun of other religions."

( Father: ) "What, then, is the role of Jesus Christ, if the Moslem religion is a good religion?"

( Mirjana: ) "We did not discuss that." ( The role of our Lord Jesus Christ ) "She merely explained, and deplored, the lack of religious unity, ‘especially in the villages.’ She said that everybody’s religion should be respected, and of course one’s own." ( Page 124, The Apparitions of Our Lady at Medjugorje, Kraljevic )

4. ( Interview with Ivanka by Father Svetozar Kraljevic )

( Ivanka: ) "The Madonna said that religions are separated in the earth, but the people of all religions are accepted by my Son.

( Father S.: ) Does that mean that all people go to heaven?

( Ivanka: ) It depends on what they deserve.

( Father: ) Yes, but many have never heard about Jesus.

( Ivanka: ) Jesus knows all about that; I don’t. The Madonna said, basically, religions are similar..." ( Ibid, 149 )

5. ( A statement from the apparition: )

"God presides over all religions as a king controls his subjects, through his priests and ministers."

( Ibid, 95 )

6. ( A statement from the Apparition: )

"Tell this priest, tell everyone, that it is you who are divided on earth. The Muslims and the Orthodox, for the same reason as the Catholics, are EQUAL before my Son and me. You are all my children. Certainly, all religions are not equal, but all men are equal before God... Those who are not Catholic are no less creatures made in the image of God, and destined to rejoin someday the House of the Father." ( Page 85-86, The Final Harvest, Weible )

7. ( A statement from the Apparition: )

"My Son and I do not cut the cake where faiths are concerned. You have put the walls, the division between yourselves..." ( Ibid, 110 )

Thanks Chris. This is interesting and I need to do some homework.

God's Peace,

Debbie

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

Does anyone have access to this book...


The Visions of the Children : The Apparitions of the Blessed Mother at Medjugorje
by Janice T. Connel

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...f=sr_1_1/103-1561994-0313437?v=glance&s=books

If so, does it really say the following on Page 119?

2. ( Question to Vicka ) "Is the Blessed Mother calling all people on earth to be Catholic?"

( Vicka: ) "No! The Blessed Mother says all religions are dear to her and her Son. She says it is we on earth who have made division."



If so, this goes against the Holy Catholic faith in a most serious manner.

 

[Adammi]

Honestly, I don't know one single thing about Medjugorje (how do you pronounce that). However I have not heard anything ever good about it, only about how it is bad and I have actually heard that it was condemned by the Church (which is why I have never attempted to read about) but now since I know that it is not I will read about it. Now concerning what John Paul the Great said. I think that the former Holy Father was really just so humble that he only condemned things that he staunchly opposed (like the war in Iraq and gay marrieage etc.) and therfore you can't really say that everything he somewhat supported he really did genuinely believe in (The Koran). Just my $0.02 though.

 

[Epiphanygirl]

I found a list of troubling messages here but I don't know if it is accurate or not. I searched the following official messages for the world and they contain nothing of the sort described below.

If the apparition did in fact say such things, then I have serious problems with it...but like I said, I didn't see anything of the sort in the official messages.

--

Below are the problematic statements. I found these statements written in books by those who believe and support the apparitions at Medjugorje:

1. ( Question to Vicka ) "There are millions of people on earth who are not Christian--what does the Blessed Mother want of them?"

( Vicka: ) "To pray. All people on earth are born with knowledge of God in their hearts. Everyone has his own way to pray. The Blessed Mother is the mother of all people on earth. She has a mother’s love for them all, and her messages, which are from God, are for everyone.

( Question: ) "Then it doesn’t matter what name or person they call God?"

( Vicka: ) There is only one God. It is man who makes divisions."

( Page 51, Queen of the Cosmos by Connell )

2. ( Question to Vicka ) "Is the Blessed Mother calling all people on earth to be Catholic?"

( Vicka: ) "No! The Blessed Mother says all religions are dear to her and her Son. She says it is we on earth who have made division."

( Page 119, The Visions of the Children, Connell )

3. ( Interview with Marjana by Father Tomislav Vlasic )

Mirjana: "The Madonna always stresses that there is but one God, and that people have enforced unnatural separation. One cannot truly believe, be a true Christian, if he does not respect other religions as well. You do not really believe in God if you make fun of other religions."

( Father: ) "What, then, is the role of Jesus Christ, if the Moslem religion is a good religion?"

( Mirjana: ) "We did not discuss that." ( The role of our Lord Jesus Christ ) "She merely explained, and deplored, the lack of religious unity, ‘especially in the villages.’ She said that everybody’s religion should be respected, and of course one’s own." ( Page 124, The Apparitions of Our Lady at Medjugorje, Kraljevic )

4. ( Interview with Ivanka by Father Svetozar Kraljevic )

( Ivanka: ) "The Madonna said that religions are separated in the earth, but the people of all religions are accepted by my Son.

( Father S.: ) Does that mean that all people go to heaven?

( Ivanka: ) It depends on what they deserve.

( Father: ) Yes, but many have never heard about Jesus.

( Ivanka: ) Jesus knows all about that; I don’t. The Madonna said, basically, religions are similar..." ( Ibid, 149 )

5. ( A statement from the apparition: )

"God presides over all religions as a king controls his subjects, through his priests and ministers."

( Ibid, 95 )

6. ( A statement from the Apparition: )

"Tell this priest, tell everyone, that it is you who are divided on earth. The Muslims and the Orthodox, for the same reason as the Catholics, are EQUAL before my Son and me. You are all my children. Certainly, all religions are not equal, but all men are equal before God... Those who are not Catholic are no less creatures made in the image of God, and destined to rejoin someday the House of the Father." ( Page 85-86, The Final Harvest, Weible )

7. ( A statement from the Apparition: )

"My Son and I do not cut the cake where faiths are concerned. You have put the walls, the division between yourselves..." ( Ibid, 110 )

This is why I'm waiting for official word of the Vatican. Who knows what is true coming out of there? I don't want propaganda(from wither side) just total truth! I will wait!

 

[WarriorAngel]

From what I can recall...there wasn't much good said about Fatima and Lourdes either...until it was finally given recognition.

I have seen the messages, and nothing ever was derogatory...the only bad things I have heard have been rumored speculations about the messages...or in fact, changes of the messages.

Regardless, I saw video footage of bombers throwing bombs over the town {During the war in the 90's}, the bombs did not detonate, and I read where JPII said this is proof that this place is protected by the Lord.

One must ask themselves...why is it protected??

God would not care if evil was present there...and evil would not bring others to Christ.
It's just logical in my book.

Peace!!