Matthew 13:23 - How do we bear fruit by hundredfold, etc.?

[dstamps]

This verse caught my interest early in my search to unify the Bible message in my mind. It seemed to imply that Man is given 'something' of which they are to multiply in some way. The question was what is Man given, and how do they multiply what they are given. Overtime, I resolved my questions until I felt I understood the underlying spiritual message in the verse.

Water is introduced early in Genesis 1. I believed 'that water' to be spiritual water because to describe the unseen spiritual realities it would be necessary to use what Man can sense to describe what they can't sense. To teach anyone, it is necessary to use what they already understand to build higher understandings--i.e. the Indians called a train an iron horse while those familiar with trains would consider an iron horse an iron statue of a horse.

I concluded that spiritual water is unordered created Life. This water is described as 'without form and void'; implying to me that it is the essence of created Life that has not been ordered into living water (John 7:38). From Christ's perspective, living water has eternal value. The essence can be ordered in a way that it is worthless (dead), also. Man tends to consider all life Life; but to Christ only life with eternal value is Life (Matthew 8:22).

Life as Man sees it is manifested as good or bad lifestyles. How much 'water' must be ordered before it can be a lifestyle is another question; but during an individual's life, they create many lifestyles. Smaller lifestyles can be combined to give birth to a more complicated lifestyle capable of overcoming or accomplishing greater tasks in the physical world. Therefore, Life, like math, can have basic entities joined to produce more complicated entities (higher levels of math or higher levels of Life).

That is what Jesus is conveying in Matthew 13:23. It is the 7x7+1 = 50 concept in the Bible.

Commonsense should tell us that GOD would create the laws of the physical reality in a way that when Man is contributing in positive ways in Society Man is also giving birth to and maturing lifestyles that are expressed and manifested by Life that has eternal value. If a lifestyle does not contribute to Society in a positive way, then the Life expressing and manifesting that lifestyle is worthless (dead).

 

[royal priest]

One of the best ways to obtain a comprehensive understanding of the overall biblical picture is by studying a good systematic theology.
Like this one:
Foundations of the Christian Faith by James Montgomery Boice

 

[bèlla]

The Parable is referencing the result of the seed that was sown in good soil. Meaning, the one who produced a harvest. You would need to understand its natural application first. A seed falls to the ground but it can produce multiple items. Harvesting occurs over time. Especially, if the crops were being sold.

You remove a portion of the harvest and leave something behind and it replenishes itself. This is continuous throughout the season. Sometimes, the farmer adds more seeds. Depending on the crop he's planting. If you consider the entirety of his harvest from start to finish the portions will differ. It is based upon the soil conditions, weather, and the addition of nutrients.

The scattering of seeds is called broadcasting.

Paul has a one-hundred fold harvest. The seeds have perpetually borne fruit. A closer example of this is Derek Prince and Billy Graham. The work lives on and continues to produce fruit. Their sowing is the difference.

 

[1am3laine]

This verse caught my interest early in my search to unify the Bible message in my mind. It seemed to imply that Man is given 'something' of which they are to multiply in some way. The question was what is Man given, and how do they multiply what they are given. Overtime, I resolved my questions until I felt I understood the underlying spiritual message in the verse.

Water is introduced early in Genesis 1. I believed 'that water' to be spiritual water because to describe the unseen spiritual realities it would be necessary to use what Man can sense to describe what they can't sense. To teach anyone, it is necessary to use what they already understand to build higher understandings--i.e. the Indians called a train an iron horse while those familiar with trains would consider an iron horse an iron statue of a horse.

I concluded that spiritual water is unordered created Life. This water is described as 'without form and void'; implying to me that it is the essence of created Life that has not been ordered into living water (John 7:38). From Christ's perspective, living water has eternal value. The essence can be ordered in a way that it is worthless (dead), also. Man tends to consider all life Life; but to Christ only life with eternal value is Life (Matthew 8:22).

Life as Man sees it is manifested as good or bad lifestyles. How much 'water' must be ordered before it can be a lifestyle is another question; but during an individual's life, they create many lifestyles. Smaller lifestyles can be combined to give birth to a more complicated lifestyle capable of overcoming or accomplishing greater tasks in the physical world. Therefore, Life, like math, can have basic entities joined to produce more complicated entities (higher levels of math or higher levels of Life).

That is what Jesus is conveying in Matthew 13:23. It is the 7x7+1 = 50 concept in the Bible.

Commonsense should tell us that GOD would create the laws of the physical reality in a way that when Man is contributing in positive ways in Society Man is also giving birth to and maturing lifestyles that are expressed and manifested by Life that has eternal value. If a lifestyle does not contribute to Society in a positive way, then the Life expressing and manifesting that lifestyle is worthless (dead).

Well, you would have to understand that God did not make everyone equal. (parable of the talents)

He gives everyone some abilities and we are to use what we have to get higher. Only people can get 100fold if they were born at a high level anyway.

 

[dstamps]

One of the best ways to obtain a comprehensive understanding of the overall biblical picture is by studying a good systematic theology.
Like this one:
Foundations of the Christian Faith by James Montgomery Boice

I tried that approach at first over 60 years ago and found it seriously lacking. It left way too many contradictions in Scripture.

Does his book answer the question, "Why was Jesus in the heart of the earth for 3 days and 3 nights?"

If so, tell me his answer. No one is likely to have the answer unless they have correctly interpreted Genesis 1 and realized how it applied to the rest of the Bible.

 

[dstamps]

The Parable is referencing the result of the seed that was sown in good soil. Meaning, the one who produced a harvest. You would need to understand its natural application first. A seed falls to the ground but it can produce multiple items. Harvesting occurs over time. Especially, if the crops were being sold.

You remove a portion of the harvest and leave something behind and it replenishes itself. This is continuous throughout the season. Sometimes, the farmer adds more seeds. Depending on the crop he's planting. If you consider the entirety of his harvest from start to finish the portions will differ. It is based upon the soil conditions, weather, and the addition of nutrients.

The scattering of seeds is called broadcasting.

Paul has a one-hundred fold harvest. The seeds have perpetually borne fruit. A closer example of this is Derek Prince and Billy Graham. The work lives on and continues to produce fruit. Their sowing is the difference.

Did you read what I wrote or only look at the title?

 

[bèlla]

Did you read what I wrote or only look at the title?

I will leave you to your conclusions.

 

[dstamps]

Well, you would have to understand that God did not make everyone equal. (parable of the talents)

He gives everyone some abilities and we are to use what we have to get higher. Only people can get 100fold if they were born at a high level anyway.

I believe commitment to seeking Truth plays a major part in what is accomplished.