Mason leaks

[mea kulpa]

What with all the concern about masons in the church and the fact that the freemasonry and catholicism are opposed i wonder if there is any corrospondace with church members or any plots regarding the church... the coming months could be very interesting

"(Paris) The news is startling, and yet the mass media hardly takes notice of it. The data leak was concerned this time not with the US State Department (Wikileaks) and not the Vatican (Vatileaks), but Freemasonry. There is talk of a Masonleaks. The analysis of thousands of secret documents of the lodge will likely take months to complete.
The Grand Lodge of France filed a complaint with the prosecution in Paris against unknown persons. Hackers cracked the server of the Grand Lodge and were able to gain access to membership lists and internal documents. Several thousand confidential documents of the lodges have already been published on the Internet. The data leak was made public by the weekly magazineL'Express.
The file containing the confidential boxes of papers was published for first time last April 10 on the website Stop Mensonges published. The site wrote:
"Revelations about the secret government, which determines the new world order."
It is a data volume of six gigabytes of secret documents. It's about decades of secret rituals, directories, projects, programs, statements, internal publications, membership applications, thousands of detailed CVs of neophytes who applied for initiation or of which they were granted. We have also found hundreds of criminal records, of which it is suspected not only that they are adepts, but may serve information gathering or the exertion of pressure."

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http://eponymousflower.blogspot.co.uk/2016/04/masonleaks-leak-of-documents-from-grand.html?m=1

 

[MikeK]

Please refrain from linking to such sensasionalist nonsense in OBOB. Some people exploring Catholocism have the idea that we are gullible, susperstitious people who will believe anything not matter how outlandish, there's no need to prove them right.

 

[mea kulpa]

Please refrain from linking to such sensasionalist nonsense in OBOB. Some people exploring Catholocism have the idea that we are gullible, susperstitious people who will believe anything not matter how outlandish, there's no need to prove them right.

Eh?

Its from a catholic website... its a news story that has potential to effect the church... what are you on about superstitious?

 

[benedictaoo]

Please refrain from linking to such sensasionalist nonsense in OBOB. Some people exploring Catholocism have the idea that we are gullible, susperstitious people who will believe anything not matter how outlandish, there's no need to prove them right.

he's perfectly with in his rights to discuss this.

 

[Albion]

Please refrain from linking to such sensasionalist nonsense in OBOB. Some people exploring Catholocism have the idea that we are gullible, susperstitious people who will believe anything not matter how outlandish, there's no need to prove them right.

You're right. This kind of nonsense is unfair to both Freemasonry and the Catholic Church. And it's easy to see the specious nature of the claims when so much of the revelation has to be phrased so imprecisely ("There is talk of...." "it is suspected...." "may serve...." etc.)

 

[MikeK]

Eh?

Its from a catholic website... its a news story that has potential to effect the church... what are you on about superstitious?

There is absolutely nothing "Catholic" about that pit of lies.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Just so people know, Catholics are forbidden to join the Freemasons.

See the following article on it:

What does the Church say about Freemasonry?

Full Question
What is the Catholic Church's official position on Freemasonry? Are Catholics free to become Freemasons?

Answer
Freemasonry is incompatible with the Catholic faith. Freemasonry teaches a naturalistic religion that espouses indifferentism, the position that a person can be equally pleasing to God while remaining in any religion.

Masonry is a parallel religion to Christianity. The New Catholic Encyclopedia states, "Freemasonry displays all the elements of religion, and as such it becomes a rival to the religion of the Gospel. It includes temples and altars, prayers, a moral code, worship, vestments, feast days, the promise of reward or punishment in the afterlife, a hierarchy, and initiation and burial rites."

Masonry is also a secret society. Its initiates subscribe to secret blood oaths that are contrary to Christian morals. The prospective Mason swears that if he ever reveals the secrets of Masonry - secrets which are trivial and already well-known - he wills to be subject to self-mutilation or to gruesome execution. (Most Masons, admittedly, never would dream of carrying out these punishments on themselves or on an errant member).

Historically, one of Masonry's primary objectives has been the destruction of the Catholic Church; this is especially true of Freemasonry as it has existed in certain European countries. In the United States, Freemasonry is often little more than a social club, but it still espouses a naturalistic religion that contradicts orthodox Christianity. (Those interested in joining a men's club should consider the Knights of Columbus instead.)

The Church has imposed the penalty of excommunication on Catholics who become Freemasons. The penalty of excommunication for joining the Masonic Lodge was explicit in the 1917 code of canon law (canon 2335), and it is implicit in the 1983 code (canon 1374).

Because the revised code of canon law is not explicit on this point, some drew the mistaken conclusion that the Church's prohibition of Freemasonry had been dropped. As a result of this confusion, shortly before the 1983 code was promulgated, the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith issued a statement indicating that the penalty was still in force. This statement was dated November 26, 1983 and may be found in Origins 13/27 (Nov. 15, 1983), 450.

Source: Catholic Answers​

 

[pdudgeon]

Please refrain from linking to such sensasionalist nonsense in OBOB. Some people exploring Catholocism have the idea that we are gullible, susperstitious people who will believe anything not matter how outlandish, there's no need to prove them right.

So what is it about the article that you are objecting to? specifically, that is.

 

[Albion]

Just so people know, Catholics are forbidden to join the Freemasons.
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Historically, one of Masonry's primary objectives has been the destruction of the Catholic Church; this is especially true of Freemasonry as it has existed in certain European countries. In the United States, Freemasonry is often little more than a social club, but it still espouses a naturalistic religion that contradicts orthodox Christianity. (Those interested in joining a men's club should consider the Knights of Columbus instead.)​

There are a lot of inaccuracies in that article, but this ^ point deserves to be noted. Whatever is the truth concerning this "Masonleaks" story, the reference was to French Masonry, the Grand Orient, etc. and that is totally unlike the British-American version of Masonry. The two are, in fact, separate organizations; there is no international structure connecting them; and British-American Masons are pledged not to belong to or participate in European Masonry.​

 

[pdudgeon]

There are a lot of inaccuracies in that article, but this ^ point deserves to be noted. Whatever is the truth concerning this "Masonleaks" story, the reference was to French Masonry, the Grand Orient, etc. and that is totally unlike the British-American version of Masonry. The two are, in fact, separate organizations; there is no international structure connecting them; and British-American Masons are pledged not to belong to or participate in European Masonry.​

different branch, same tree? England and France have a history of dislike.

 

[Albion]

different branch, same tree?

Even to say that is quite a stretch. The Knights of Columbus and the Masons are much closer and, of course, we could say the same of any two Christian churches selected at random.

 

[mea kulpa]

You're right. This kind of nonsense is unfair to both Freemasonry and the Catholic Church. And it's easy to see the specious nature of the claims when so much of the revelation has to be phrased so imprecisely ("There is talk of...." "it is suspected...." "may serve...." etc.)

I dont understand your problem with it... its just some news that the grand lodge in paris has been hacked and documents leaked.

 

[Albion]

I dont understand your problem with it... its just some news that the grand lodge in paris has been hacked and documents leaked.

Problem? I don't think that I have a problem. However, it did seem reasonable enough to point out why the story appears to be bogus and the OP misinformed. You'd want to be armed with as much information as possible when investigating something of this sort, wouldn't you?

 

[mea kulpa]

There are a lot of inaccuracies in that article, but this ^ point deserves to be noted. Whatever is the truth concerning this "Masonleaks" story, the reference was to French Masonry, the Grand Orient, etc. and that is totally unlike the British-American version of Masonry. The two are, in fact, separate organizations; there is no international structure connecting them; and British-American Masons are pledged not to belong to or participate in European Masonry.​

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Even to say that is quite a stretch. The Knights of Columbus and the Masons are much closer and, of course, we could say the same of any two Christian churches selected at random.

The Knights of Columbus was created with the specific purpose of giving Catholic men an alternative to joining the Freemasons since the Catholic Church determined (and still says) that Freemasonry is spiritually dangerous and diametrically opposed to Catholicism. The reason why Protestants don't see it as dangerous is because Freemasonry isn't anti-Protestant.

 

[Albion]

The Knights of Columbus was created with the specific purpose of giving Catholic men an alternative to joining the Freemasons since the Catholic Church determined (and still says) that Freemasonry is diametrically opposed to Catholicism. .

In fact, the Knights of Columbus was formed because Catholic men wanted private insurance and the Masons, which provided such to its members, was not available to them. But that's only a small part of the issue.

The Knights of Columbus, like the Odd Fellows, Knights of Pythias, and others, copied much of the methodology and imagery of Masonry. That's why I said that they have more in common with each other than the European Masons do with the American Masons. Since most posters here are Americans and may well be alarmed at the story related in the OP, this "clarification" ought to put some of their concern to rest, since American Masonry has no animus towards Catholicism.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

In fact, the Knights of Columbus was formed because Catholic men wanted private insurance and the Masons, which provided such to its members, was not available to them. But that's only a small part of the issue.

The Knights of Columbus, like the Odd Fellows, Knights of Pythias, and others, copied much of the methodology and imagery of Masonry. That's why I said that they have more in common with each other than the European Masons do with the American Masons. Since most posters here are Americans and may well be alarmed at the story related in the OP, this "clarification" ought to put some of their concern to rest, since American Masonry has no animus towards Catholicism.

You are giving an opinion from the Protestant point of view. Freemasonry is anti-Catholic, so it's not expected that a Protestant would be able to see that. The bottom line for Catholics is the Catholic Church says that Catholics can't be Freemasons without being excommunicated. We see that as a big deal. Do you know about the Mexican government's persecution against Catholics and how that was connected with Freemasonry? It wasn't very long ago.

 

[Albion]

You are giving an opinion from the Protestant point of view.

I don't know why you'd think that. What I was saying is factual, 'from the historical point of view,' that's all. No preference for or against any church body was included or intended.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

I don't know why you'd think that. What I was saying is factual, 'from the historical point of view,' that's all. No preference for or against any church body was included or intended.

It seems that you are only concerned with how non-Catholics see this. But that misses the point of how the Catholic Church sees it. There are only superficial similarities between the KofC and Freemasons. And it's a historical fact that Freemasonry is anti-Catholic. Look up the Mexican government's persecution against Catholics from the Catholic Church's point of view.

 

[Albion]

It seems that you are only concerned with how non-Catholics see this.

On the contrary, I hoped to be helpful to Catholics who read that sensationalist report in the OP and were concerned that it might be accurate. But if you want to pursue other grievances, we'll have to move to the Philosophy forum.