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Mark 9:49 - Salted with Fire

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Hi all,

I'm fairly new here, but I've been a Christian for about ten years now and have devoted a great deal of my time and study to God's word. About a year ago now, I was in a Bible Study on the book of Mark, and none of the people in our group could really discuss what this particular passage meant.

Everyone will be salted with fire (Mark 9:49).

edit: for context, please read Mark 9:33-50

Since I was the one who asked the question, I was charged with researching it and reporting the findings next week. Since this was just after university was over, I had plenty of spare time and by the time I turned up at Bible Study next Wednesday night, to my very great surprise I had a 4-page, 2,200 word essay that I'd printed out for everyone to read.

Quite surprising for such a short verse, and I'd like to hear some replies from some people and what they consider this passage refers to.

Thanks in advance for any comments - I'll share my essay later (if anyone's interested, that is).

~ Regards, PA
 
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I believe it may mean suffering. Salt conserves. Fire means suffering; the suffering produces patience, patience produces character and the character hope. It is written in the Bible, but I do not remember where.
"I have come to bring fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! But I have a baptism to undergo, and how distressed I am until it is completed! Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division. From now on there will be five in one family divided against each other, three against two and two against three. They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law." Luke 12:49-53
Fire, in this context, means division. Every man that follows Christ will be "salted with fire", which is division. Of course, these people are divided because of His Name. This "fire" is part of the cross each Christian has take up daily.

Please, print that essay of yours, because I'm interested. :)
 
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Hello PA,

You are correct that it takes a lot of work and prayer to correctly understand even the shortest verses of the Bible. Unfortunately, many will not make the effort to test their belief and end up blindly follow a gospel they like which will only lead them away from God no matter how “holy” the message may seem ( Matt 7:22-23, 15:8, Luke 13:27, 2 Tim 4:3, Phil 3:18).

I believe the context of this passage refers to Judgment.

Mark 9:49 “For everyone shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt.”

Salt is a picture of judgment; so Christ is saying that unless you become saved you will experience God’s wrath forever. Remember in Gen 19:26 that Lot’s wife turned into a pillar of salt when she looked back at Sodom and Gomorrah as those wicked cities were being destroyed. She was showing her love for those wicked cities so she was judged also.

The phrase every sacrifice shall be salted with salt comes from Leviticus 2:13. The sacrifices of the OT represented Christ who came to pay for our sins. Salt was added to indicate that judgment was on the sacrifice. Christ had to endure our judgment for us (Peter 2:24, 3:18). The phrase everyone shall be salted with fire indicates that everyone born into this world will experience judgment. The unsaved are judged by the Word of God and die. It was on the cross with Christ that the every believer experienced judgment (Isaiah 53:4-12, Ro 81-2).

In Matt 5:13 Jesus calls believers the salt of the earth. They are salt in the sense that they have experienced judgment. God’s wrath was poured out on them but taken by Christ. So as believers in this world they are to warn the world about impending judgment and they must repent.

Now in verse 50 of Mark 9, The Lord said salt is good. We have to understand that God is perfectly just and right and judgment is guaranteed (Peter 2:4-9). Judgment (salt) is good in the sense that is can save people (II Kings 2:19-22). The importance of salvation is that people need a Savior because they will face a wrathful God. People must know about judgment to respond and see God’s mercy. The phrase if salt looses its flavor how will you season it? This means that a gospel preached not mentioning judgment is not the Gospel of the Bible. Recall when Jonah went to Nineveh, his message was simple: in 40 days God is going to destroy you unless you repent. They were terrified and repented and were spared.

So, we all need to repent and pray God for His mercy, that we might be one of His and escape the death sentence we deserve.
 
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Hi, thank you addo and BrotherDave,

I was going to make a post in a few days, depending on responses, and I was getting worried that after a couple of days without a response no one was going to chime in with their input. So thank you for your view and sharing your point of view.

First, Addo - thank you for your info on suffering. The biggest issue that our Bible study group had was that the verses before it were referring to a select group of people, while 9:49 referred to "everyone". It's an interesting take to view this reference to "everyone" as being "every Christian".

I find it particularly interesting since the very next responder, Brother Dave, brings this as a message of "judgement" to referring to "everyone who is not saved" (unless you are saved, this is the result).

I guess this shows the gammut of beliefs that people have on this. I thank you for your response on this. In my next post (coming shortly - sometime before I go to sleep, at least, lol) I'll post the essay I wrote on it. Thanks for responses...

~ PA
 
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Below is a copy-pasted version of an essay I wrote back in 2008 (updated recently, though) on the subject of Mark 9:49. While I don't claim to be the sole authority on scriptural interpretation (only God can claim that Right) I hope this essay helps provide some thought about the beliefs we all hold dear (even if we arrive at different conclusions, as long as we sincerely consider the biblical basis for our belief, it must be a good thing, according to the Lord).

Thus begins the essay:

edit: Which seems to be too long for the post - I'm supposed to keep it under 15,000 characters, this was about 100 too many. Hopefully the next one will work better. Apologies, it took a while to whittle down the concept to the bare minimum. :bow:

I know it's long, but I hope that some take the time to consider the information provided
 
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Salted with Fire – a closer look at Mark 9:49 - Everyone will be salted with fire! An essay by Paranoid Android 3/10/08

Study notes – this essay is exclusively pointed at 9:49, but please read Mark 9:33-50 for context

After researching the passage in Mark 9:49, reading “everyone being salted with fire”, I think it is one of the most difficult passages I have ever come across. I have read Mark a dozen times since becoming a Christian and yet I find it strange that I have never looked at this verse closely before today. Before I begin, I would like to quickly mention that the English translation here for “salt”, “salted”, and “fire” accurately reflects the Greek meaning, though there are some interesting ramifications of “first and “last” in the preceding passage beforehand (9:35), which I will discuss later as it impacts on the overall consideration of verse 49.

The first point I would like to address is the metaphorical use of both Salt and Fire in the Bible. Though salt has been used in other contexts to refer to being Holy and set apart for God, this is not the meaning implied in this passage. In Matthew 5, for example, where Jesus uses salt in the context of being Holy, he specifically states “YOU ARE the salt of the Earth” (Matthew 5:13). In Mark 9, he does not say this. What he says is, “have salt in yourselves” (v50). This is something we must contain within ourselves, not something that we as Christians intrinsically should be. What is salt used for then? It must be contextually accurate with the use of fire. As such, it is incorrect to suggest a correlation to Matthew 5 and being “different” or “set apart” as the text of Matthew 5 suggests.

Considering this imagery falls down, what is the purpose then of fire (to be “salted with fire”? While there are many uses of “fire” in the Bible, an interesting parallel can be seen here in Mark 9 and John the Baptist’s remarks to his followers:

"I baptise you with water for repentance. But after me will come one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not fit to carry. He will baptise you with the Holy Spirit and with fire. (Matthew 3:11, see also Luke 3:16) *emphasis added*

John was baptising with water, but the one who would come, whom John identified as Jesus, would baptise with fire. Here in Mark 9, Jesus continues this metaphor, and says that everyone will be “salted with fire”. Salt is not directly related to the process of baptism, but an indirect relationship still exists. 4th Century AD traditions of baptism included salt with some baptism ceremonies, and while that doesn’t necessarily equate to biblical baptism, it shows the early Christian understanding of the commonalities between the purification qualities of salt, and the rebirth of the spirit at baptism (in the sense of being baptised by the Holy Spirit and by Fire, as noted earlier in Matthew 3). Fire and salt are therefore both metaphors for purification. As newborn Christians, we have become new creations, no longer tied to our lives as slaves to sin, but slaves to righteousness (Romans 6:16). And thus salt and fire are both clear symbols for our new lives as Christians, as evidenced throughout the Bible – first hinted at in Malachi 3, when prophesying the day of the Lord’s Return, which will be “like a refiner's fire” (Malachi 3:2), and made clear in James’ letter where he states, “wash your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double minded… Humble yourself before the Lord, and he will lift you up” (4:8,10)

Therefore, the clearest interpretation of Mark 9:49 is that it is yet another command for Christians to be baptised not only with water, which is only a symbol, but also by the Holy Spirit of truth, such as Jesus commanded in what has become known as the “Great Commission” (Matthew 28:18-20).

Jesus cleverly contrasts the purification qualities of God’s fire in verse 49 with the condemnatory fires of the earthly fires of Gehenna (translated as Hell in verses 42-48), where “their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched” (Mark 9:48 – a quote from Isaiah 66:24, which also addresses the same concept of purity and rebirth against the judgements of sin, which contextualise the concept of purity). As a short aside, Gehenna was a valley outside Jerusalem which people would burn their rubbish and (for the poor, to whom Jesus often preached) often their dead. It was synonymous with death, and many people in 1st Century AD could look forward to being thrown on this fire. Jesus contrasts their mortal bodies, which will remain on earth and burn up in Gehenna to His purifying fire which is required to attain salvation. Sin leads to the earthly fires of Gehenna, the final result being the end of all things (physically and spiritually). In contrast, following Jesus’ example, living our lives metaphorically salted with fire leads to life and the eternal rewards of His Kingdom.

In its briefest sense, this is the context of Mark 9:49. However, looking deeper at the passage offers some further insights and worthy points of discussion.

A very interesting point that I found was that some translations of the Bible include an extra line of text in verse 49. For example, the ESV footnotes the passage clearly as a later addition, while the KJV included this in the original text. The added line would make this passage read:

Everyone will be salted with fire, and every sacrifice will be salted with salt.
~ Mark 9:49

Before moving on, it should be noted that in the most reliable ancient texts, this extra line is NOT in the Bible. In the strictest sense then, we cannot consider this to be the “word of God” (though some who believe in the inerrancy of the KJV as the only authentic version may disagree). However, for most other Christians, it is obvious that an over-zealous scribe somewhere along the lines in the early centuries after Christ’s existence. This addition, though not technically part of the text, may offer insight in to the views of the early Christians, and thus, the historical context of this provides a possible understanding from early Christianity as to what this verse meant to them.

As such, the question turns then to what the purpose of salting sacrifices was according to either early Christians, or the Jewish law. Salting sacrifices/offerings has its origins in the Levitical laws of the Old Testament. Leviticus 2 requires that “Grain Offerings” be seasoned with salt:

Season all your grain offerings with salt. Do not leave the salt of the covenant of your God out of your grain offerings; add salt to all your offerings.
~ Leviticus 2:13

Grain offerings were a particular type of offering given in Old Testament times. They were mainly given to the Levite Priests, who were not allowed to own land or grow crops, and thus had to rely on these offerings to survive (ie, food). These Grain Offerings took the form of crushed grains, both raw and cooked (flour, bread, etc) – it was not whole-grains, or husks as may be suggested. These Grain Offerings spoken of in Leviticus, we are told, are to be “seasoned with salt”. Moreover, in the context of this offering, the Israelites were told specifically they were not to be seasoned with honey, or yeast (Leviticus 2:11). The purpose for this law is unclear. There are various theories (as with any ancient doctrine). In keeping with the idea of purity, which appears to be an overriding theme of Mark 9:33-50, salt was representative of purity, particularly the “stemming of corruption” from its qualities of preservation, while both honey and yeast could be fermented into alcohol and thus stood as symbols for corruption unhindered. However, it is also true that honey was a common offering given to pagan gods, and so it is possible that the law could simply have been given by God to differentiate Yahweh-worship from the other pagan gods (a common theme throughout the book of Leviticus). Rabbi Koniuchowsky, a Messianic Jew (“Messianic Jew” - a Jew who still believes in the Old Testament covenant with Israel, but accepts Christ as the promised Messiah of the Old Testament) comments that:

“Pagan deities were known to have an appetite for honey, a sweet but false substitute to the sweetness that can only come from a close relationship with Israel's King and His Son. The honey was used to appease the false deities, as well as to humanize them by feeding them honey! By giving them sweet offerings, mankind thought that the deity would be more apt to respond favorably. Yahweh cannot be bribed or convinced to do our desire by candy and honey offerings”
~ Taken from “Covenant of Salt”, written by Rabbi Moshe Yoseph Koniuchowsky. Source:
Covenant of Salt

It must be stressed however, that the reasons for seasoning Grain Offerings with salt is not made clear in scripture. Its meaning is ambiguous. I tend to favour the idea of “stemming corruption”, as that is the context that is implied in Mark 9, but it is just my opinion there, and I do not claim any divine authority on this issue.

Another historical point is that Grain Offerings were usually given in conjunction with other offerings, such as burnt offerings. For the most part then, they were separate to Offerings given as atonement for sin. But it is interesting to note that for the poor who could not afford to provide burnt offerings and grain offerings, a Grain Offering could be given alone to satisfy this sin-atonement law, and so may have overtones of atonement for sin, particularly for those whom Jesus preached to, who were often the poor and those most in need.

If we consider this in relation to Mark 9 then, a most interesting possibility arises. Verse 49 reads, “EVERY sacrifice will be seasoned with salt”. To be specific, it DOES NOT say, “Grain offerings will be seasoned with salt”, as the Levitical law states. Rather “every sacrifice” is spoken of. If we think of this comment in context to Mark 9 (which is the purpose of this essay, after all), and Jesus’ previous statement that, “If anyone wants to be first, he must be the very last, and the servant of all." (Mark 9:35), there is a correlation worth noting. As mentioned at the start of this paper, the Greek words for “first” and “last” provide an interesting possibility. The Greek word “first” – [FONT=&quot]pro'-tos [/FONT][FONT=&quot](from which I assume we get the English prefix “proto”, as in prototype, or “first type” for example) – has overtones of “first”, “primary”, “before all others”, “order of importance”, and supports the idea of the disciples arguing over who is greatest (Mark 9:33). The word translated as “last” however – es'-khat-os – has a broader meaning. It does translate as “last”, but it also has overtones of being the lowest, poorest. While not exactly related to money, it could be argued that Jesus was indeed thinking of “last” in this context (or at least, partly in this context) – as supported by his teachings about leaving everything behind, such as Matthew 19, which also expands on the idea of the first being last and the last being first.[/FONT]

And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life. But many who are first will be last, and many who are last will be first.
[FONT=&quot]~ Matthew 19:29-30[/FONT]

With the core teachings of Jesus being humbleness, humility, treating others as better than ourselves (welcoming a little child as an equal in Mark 9 and 10) and leaving what we own, being “poor in spirit” (Matthew 5: 3), and bringing his words to the poor (Luke 4:18), this comment that “every offering shall be salted with salt” (per the Levitical Laws) might be considered as a template for how we as Christians are to think of ourselves. If every Christian were to be “poor” in spirit, then if they were to make sin offerings, it would be as part of their Grain Offering since we would not be “rich” enough to give other offerings. This is a strong possibility, though perhaps a bit of a stretch to biblically link the concepts. Of course, Jesus’ death was the ultimate sacrifice and therefore there was no need for Christians to make sacrifices for their sins at all. The language used is of course metaphorical, and in line with the overarching theme of Mark 9:33-50, and provides yet another example as to how Christians are to relate to each other, in full submission and Love.

A less radical solution to this passage is to argue that there is an inherent context to this passage. “Every sacrifice”, in verse 49 refers to the offering of Grain Sacrifices, which is what most Jews would already know (though not all gentiles would be aware of such – which is an interesting point to consider when we take into account that Mark was written primarily for Gentiles).

In this context then we come back again to the original question of this essay – who is it referring to when it states, “Everyone shall be salted with fire” (9:49). If we take the view that Christians are to live as the “poor”, then “everyone” is referring to those who live as Christians, and those who live such humble lives are purified by their dedication to God (through the baptism of the Holy Spirit and Fire as previously suggested). On the other hand, if we take a context-specific view, then “everyone” also is contextually referring to simply “every Christian”. In other words, regardless of the specific interpretation you take (and I have provided a few different ideas for you to consider), the people being referred to is ultimately the same.

That said, the verse reading, “Every sacrifice shall be salted with salt” is (as already mentioned) very likely a later addition, and the majority of current Bible scholars acknowledge this and leave it out in most translations (or at least point clearly to this as a likely addition). Nevertheless, it provides a nice platform for understanding the context of being salted with fire, with insight to how the earliest Christians likely viewed the issue.

To conclude my most overly long dissertation on Mark 9, I hope this provides a good platform to consider the interpretation of Mark 9:33-50. Humbling ourselves and making ourselves servants to all is an overriding theme to this whole passage, and it is this process of purification that leads to both the immediate effect of humbleness, and the more lasting effect of Eternal Life. Being “salted with fire” is a metaphor for this entire process, being purified by the spirit of the Lord, baptised in spirit as well as with water, and by analogy, with fire.
 
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Hi all,

I'm fairly new here, but I've been a Christian for about ten years now and have devoted a great deal of my time and study to God's word. About a year ago now, I was in a Bible Study on the book of Mark, and none of the people in our group could really discuss what this particular passage meant.

Everyone will be salted with fire (Mark 9:49).

edit: for context, please read Mark 9:33-50

Since I was the one who asked the question, I was charged with researching it and reporting the findings next week. Since this was just after university was over, I had plenty of spare time and by the time I turned up at Bible Study next Wednesday night, to my very great surprise I had a 4-page, 2,200 word essay that I'd printed out for everyone to read.

Quite surprising for such a short verse, and I'd like to hear some replies from some people and what they consider this passage refers to.

Thanks in advance for any comments - I'll share my essay later (if anyone's interested, that is).

~ Regards, PA
"For everyone will be salted with fire.
He gives a reason for the precedent exhortations of cutting off all enticement of sin; for as every offering under the Law was to be salted. Look at Leviticus 2:13
'Every grain offering of yours, moreover, you shall season with salt, so that the salt of the covenant of your God shall not be lacking from your grain offering; with all your offerings you shall offer salt.

Every Christian to present himself unto God in a living sacrifice ought to be purged from all corruption by the Holy Spirit, who has the virtue of fire, Matthew 3:11 "As for me,I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

And by the same ought to be endued with holiness, as the salt seasons meat and preserves it from putrefaction.
 
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"For everyone will be salted with fire.
He gives a reason for the precedent exhortations of cutting off all enticement of sin; for as every offering under the Law was to be salted. Look at Leviticus 2:13
'Every grain offering of yours, moreover, you shall season with salt, so that the salt of the covenant of your God shall not be lacking from your grain offering; with all your offerings you shall offer salt.

Every Christian to present himself unto God in a living sacrifice ought to be purged from all corruption by the Holy Spirit, who has the virtue of fire, Matthew 3:11 "As for me,I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

And by the same ought to be endued with holiness, as the salt seasons meat and preserves it from putrefaction.
Hi foghorn,

Thanks for the response. I'd actually forgotten about this thread now. I thought it had dropped into obscurity. I do see the point you're trying to raise here, but just to throw a spanner in the works, the extra section about "every sacrifice will be seasoned with salt" is not actually found in the earliest and most early manuscripts. It is most likely an addition made by an over-zealous scribe.

The text in its pure form simply reads "Everyone will be salted with fire" (the extra sentence about sacrifices being salted with salt is an addition). Without the extra line, it's quite a lot harder to ascertain a proper response - at best, using this extra line can help us understand how the early Christians understood the passage (thus it may not be entirely useless, as it helps to inform us about how it was viewed by others, but it cannot be used as a standalone argument - the primary focus should be on the first section alone, in my opinion).

Just a thought to consider. Thanks for sharing, in any case. Using the extra line of Mark 9:49, your comment certainly is consistent with the verse - but how is being salted with fire related to this?

~ Regards, PA
 
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Hi foghorn,
..... "every sacrifice will be seasoned with salt" is not actually found in the earliest and most early manuscripts. It is most likely an addition made by an over-zealous scribe.

..... Using the extra line of Mark 9:49, your comment certainly is consistent with the verse - but how is being salted with fire related to this?

~ Regards, PA

....'salted with fire' and 'every sacrifice will be seasoned with salt'
....apply this to us, to our service, our sacrifice toward God.

Mark 9:49-50

49 For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt.

50 Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his saltness, wherewith will ye season it?
Have salt in yourselves, and have peace one with another. KJV


Rom 12:1
12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God,
that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy,
acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. KJV


Matt 3:11 ...he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: KJV



For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt. .... when applied to us means our bodies are a living sacrifice, (salted - seasoned - baptized) WITH SALT - FIRE. I believe either word, SALT/FIRE renders the same effect, in the body that is baptized this way, that being... have peace one with another.... acceptable unto God... which is your (our) reasonable service!

 
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....'salted with fire' and 'every sacrifice will be seasoned with salt'
*snip for brevity*
For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt. .... when applied to us means our bodies are a living sacrifice, (salted - seasoned - baptized) WITH SALT - FIRE. I believe either word, SALT/FIRE renders the same effect, in the body that is baptized this way, that being... have peace one with another.... acceptable unto God... which is your (our) reasonable service!

Hi Restin,

Thanks for sharing. As I noted earlier, this is a very valid point, and I discuss this in my essay that I posted earlier. But what I'm trying to ascertain is whether we can apply this to Mark 9:49 in a contextual manner if we ignore the later addition of "Every sacrifice shall be salted with salt" (that is to say, just read "Everyone shall be salted with Fire")?

I think we can, but in my opinion it cannot be quite as clear as a direct link to us being a "living sacrifice" (as Paul puts it in Romans 12:1) - the best we can suggest is that it is a call to be "purified" through baptism into the Holy Spirit (which John elaborates on as Jesus baptising with fire). The rest goes beyond the scope of the passage and relies on the additional writings of the scribe who added this second half of Mark in.

Does that clarify my comment?

~ Regards, PA
 
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PA... a point from your essay...

ParanoidAndroid said:
The first point I would like to address is the metaphorical use of both Salt and Fire in the Bible. Though salt has been used in other contexts to refer to being Holy and set apart for God, this is not the meaning implied in this passage.
I believe Mark 9:49 has 'metaphorical' meaning...and, as such needs other scriptures to bring to a good spiritual understanding of 'Salt and Fire' in the Bible. The Bible witness to itself, within itself, and yes, context is GOOD, but Holy spirit is BETTER!

In Christ...R
 
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Great thread! I been looking at these things myself, I dont think I have much to add but heres a couple along with a script I'm not sure is mentioned yet (the meat offering) unless I missed it.

Heres "Gentiles as an offering"

Romans 15:16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.

Heres "meat offering" and seasoned with salt


Lev 2:13 And every oblation of thy meat offering shalt thou season with salt;

Since Everyone is salted with fire and every sacrifice salted with salt as the meat offering shalt thou season with salt so it is here as well...

Psalm 44:11 Thou has given US like sheep appointed for meat; and hast scattered us among the heathen.

He has given THEM for MEAT (above)


2Ch 13:15 Ought ye not to know that the LORD God of Israel gave the kingdom over Israel to David for ever, even to him and to his sons by a covenant of salt?

In acts it speaks of building again Davids fallen tabernacle, in relation to the covenant of salt is says...

Mark 9:49b neither shalt thou suffer the saltof the covenant of thy God to be lacking from thy meat offering: with all thine offerings thou shalt offer salt.

Which Paul speaks of themselves being given as meat

Which only makes me think of this... (lacking/ lost) maybe?

Luke 14:34 Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be seasoned?

Because

Mark 9:49 For every one shall be salted with fire,

Offerings made by fire

Levitus 7:35 This is the portion of the anointing of Aaron, and of the anointing of his sons, out of the offerings of the LORD made by fire, in the day when he presented them to minister unto the LORD in the priest's office

1Peter 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

Spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God BY Jesus Christ (His name is called "the word of God")... Is not my word a fire?

Just thought I'd add that, I find this very interesting

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Heres "His savour".... If the salt (ye are the salt) have lost HIS savour....

Luke 14:34 Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be seasoned?


2Cr 2:14 Now thanks be unto God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ, and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place. For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish

Theres the salts savour and savour of Christ (which is His knowledge) "by us"

Just adding as I find them
 
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Heres "meat offering" and seasoned with salt

Lev 2:13 And every oblation of thy meat offering shalt thou season with salt;

Since Everyone is salted with fire and every sacrifice salted with salt as the meat offering shalt thou season with salt so it is here as well...

Psalm 44:11 Thou has given US like sheep appointed for meat; and hast scattered us among the heathen.

He has given THEM for MEAT (above)
Your statement...'He has given THEM for MEAT (above)'... in changing the US, and replacing it with 'THEM' comes across as a total opposite meaning of what is being said...would you clarify...?
 
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Your statement...'He has given THEM for MEAT (above)'... in changing the US, and replacing it with 'THEM' comes across as a total opposite meaning of what is being said...would you clarify...?

How is it the opposite? Im not sure Im understanding how it changes anything, what am I missing? In the verse its THOU has given US and I just state below it that the THOU is the HE that is given THEM (the "US") in the verse.


Am I not understanding the question?
 
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How is it the opposite? Im not sure Im understanding how it changes anything, what am I missing? In the verse its THOU has given US and I just state below it that the THOU is the HE that is given THEM (the "US") in the verse.


Am I not understanding the question?

The NASU says...

Psalms 44:11
11 You give us as sheep to be eaten
And have scattered us among the nations. NASU

We(US) are the sheep (not them) to be eaten - salted with fire
God has scattered US (not them) among the nations.

Fireinfolding, this may be what you intend, so my apologies if I read you incorrectly. Appreciate your comments on this thread. This verse in Psalms 44:11, has a little deeper meaning now. I have been studying another topic on being 'scattered' and this would go with that topic as well.

Peace...Restin
 
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The NASU says...

Psalms 44:11
11 You give us as sheep to be eaten
And have scattered us among the nations. NASU

We(US) are the sheep (not them) to be eaten - salted with fire
God has scattered US (not them) among the nations.

Fireinfolding, this may be what you intend, so my apologies if I read you incorrectly. Appreciate your comments on this thread. This verse in Psalms 44:11, has a little deeper meaning now. I have been studying another topic on being 'scattered' and this would go with that topic as well.

Peace...Restin

Hi Restin, Im not sure what you are adressing, for example, if someone wrote, "Dad drove us to the park" and I paraphrased below it and wrote, "so HE (Dad) drove THEM (the "US") to the park I cant see how I changed anything there. I was sorta coming in there to make a point of the verse prior to it was all. Even I dont know what I am catching in it I just thought they are very comparable, for one Jesus says, "Take and EAT this is my body" and WE are the body of Christ, He says His flesh is MEAT and WE also after a spiritual truth are HIS flesh. It talks about everyone salted with salt (theres a covenant of salt) and we have every sacrifice with fire (His word is a fire as well) and we are to offer our BODIES as living sacrifices. We see the Gentiles being offered unto God as a sacrifice ACCEPTABLE unto God sanctified by the Holy Spirit. There appears to be more in this because we know it speaks of SPIRITUAL meat and SPIRITUAL water from the Rock and it speaks of the disciples AS the salt itself and if the salt loses its SAVOUR and Paul speaks of the sweet savour of HIS KNOWLEDGE "by US". This too can speak to the spiritual meat and drink from the spiritual rock that accompanies them, Him "in them" feeding the multitudes this spiritual food.

Dont know much I just see some comparisons here and wonder if somehow they fit to be understood more correctly or with some understanding here, sometimes posting the pieces sparks in others pieces you might have overlooked and helps you to see a thing a bit clearer is all.

Peace

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... Jesus says, "Take and EAT this is my body" and WE are the body of Christ, He says His flesh is MEAT and WE also after a spiritual truth are HIS flesh. It talks about everyone salted with salt (theres a covenant of salt) and we have every sacrifice with fire (His word is a fire as well) and we are to offer our BODIES as living sacrifices. We see the Gentiles being offered unto God as a sacrifice ACCEPTABLE unto God sanctified by the Holy Spirit. There appears to be more in this because we know it speaks of SPIRITUAL meat and SPIRITUAL water from the Rock and it speaks of the disciples AS the salt itself and if the salt loses its SAVOUR and Paul speaks of the sweet savour of HIS KNOWLEDGE "by US". This too can speak to the spiritual meat and drink from the spiritual rock that accompanies them, Him "in them" feeding the multitudes this spiritual food.

Thanks...and AMEN!
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