Latin Pronunciation

[Caedmon]

I need to know which syllables to accent in the words in Latin creeds and prayers like the Our Father. I know Hail Mary and Glory Be, but I need help with the longer prayers. Can anyone help me?

 

[Carrye]

Sure. What would help you?

 

[Caedmon]

I'd like to have a copy of the latin texts with all the accents marked. I know that's a tall order, but it's important to me. Does anyone know of a site with the latin creeds and prayers marked like that?

 

[Paul S]

Here's the Pater noster. Two-syllable words are always accented on the first syllable, longer words as marked. The rule is if the second-to-last syllable is long, it takes the accent; if it's short, the third-to-last does.

Pater noster, qui es in cælis, sanctificétur nomen tuum. Advéniat regnum tuum. Fiat vóluntas tua, sicut in cælo et in terra. Panem nostrum quotidiánum da nobis hódie. Et dímitte nobis débita nostra, sicut et nos dimíttimus debitóribus nostris. Et ne nos índucas in tentátionem : sed líbera nos a malo. Amen.

 

[Paul S]

If you want all the prayers, get a traditional missal. My St. Andrew's missal has all the prayers of the Mass in Latin and English with the accents marked. It also has some other prayers, such as the Anima Christi and Salve Regina.

I also have a Daily Roman Missal published by Our Sunday Visitor which has the Ordinary, entrance antiphon, response of the responsorial psalm, gospel acclamation, and communion antiphon in Latin. Oddly, the readings are from the Jerusalem Bible, not the NAB.

 

[Caedmon]

Thanks Paul S...

 

[Paul S]

Was there any prayer in particular you wanted? I wouldn't mind adding the accents to a couple for you, but I don't have time to do the entire missal.

 

[Carrye]

If you want all the prayers, get a traditional missal. My St. Andrew's missal has all the prayers of the Mass in Latin and English with the accents marked. It also has some other prayers, such as the Anima Christi and Salve Regina.

Where could a person get one of those, Paul?

 

[Paul S]

Online's probably the best. Search for "St. Andrew" and "missal" and you'll find a bunch of places that sell them. Looks like they're around $45.

I'd suggest the St. Andrew's, because other missals don't have everything in Latin. The readings are English only, which (I think) makes it harder to follow along with the priest. Besides, I like the Latin.

There's also the big giant altar missal, but those are about $300. They're pretty, though.

Now if you want a breviary, you go to eBay. I can't find that anywhere, except for the all-Latin 1961 edition.

 

[Cat59]

I wish I'd seen this before Wednesday- I went to Hay on Wye (a small town on the Welsh border with lots of second hand bookshops) and one had lots of old missals, breviaries and other books in Latin and a huge second hand Catholic book selection. My problem was because my Latin is so poor, I couldn't tell you much about what exactly was there.
But if anyone from the UK is in the area, I'd advise a visit!

 

[Markh]

2 qucik points

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vs are pronounced as ws

so "via" (the street) would be pronounced "wia"

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Cs are pronounced always as in "Cat" and Never as in "circle"
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the pronunciation of verbs will depend on their conjugation.

1st, 2nd and 4th conjugation verbs will have long middle vowels-
eg 1st conjugations "portamus" (we carry) would be pronouced "port are mus"
2nd conjugations monemus (we warn) would be pronounced "mon ay mus" (like "hay")
and 4th conjugations "audimus" (we hear) would be pronounced "owwdeey mus" (like you'd say the car company)

3rd conjugations are pronounced very differently from the 1st 2nd and 4th, they have quick middles "regimus" (we rule) would be pronounced exactly "regimus" with a quick "I".

obviously, you'll need to learn which verbs are 1st 2nd 3rd and 4th conjugation for this info to be much use.



on an exciting side note, i'm studying latin at university (but my main subject is politics) so by the end of these 3 years of studying, I should be pretty good

 

[Paul S]

vs are pronounced as ws

so "via" (the street) would be pronounced "wia"

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Cs are pronounced always as in "Cat" and Never as in "circle"

In Classical Latin they are, but not in Church Latin. Vs are pronounced as "v", and Cs are pronounced "ch" before ae, e, oe, i, or y. "Caelum" is pronounced "che-loom", not "ki-loom".

 

[Carrye]

In Classical Latin they are, but not in Church Latin. Vs are pronounced as "v", and Cs are pronounced "ch" before ae, e, oe, i, or y. "Caelum" is pronounced "che-loom", not "ki-loom".

And if you're singing hymns, reading ecclesiastical documents, etc., you'll use Church "ch" pronunciation. If reading Cicero, Catullus, etc., you'll probably use Classical pronunciation.

 

[Caedmon]

I was reading a Latin instruction book, and IIRC, "qu" is pronounced as "qv." So according to that text, Agnus Dei would sound like "kvee toh-lees," and not "kwee toh-lees." Is this how it would be said in Church Latin? Also, what is insular Latin?

 

[Michelina]

Agnus Dei would sound like "kvee toh-lees," and not "kwee toh-lees." Is this how it would be said in Church Latin?

NO. Kwee toh-lees is correct, Joe.

 

[Caedmon]

Thank you Michelina...

 

[Epiphanygirl]

Hi,Here are some links that might help you will Liturgical Latin:

http://www.catholic-pages.com/dir/latin.asp


http://www.latin-mass-society.org/pmg/pmg1.htm

Latin Pronunciation Demystified
http://www.ai.uga.edu/~mc/latinpro.pdf

Hope these help

 

[Caedmon]

Thanks Epiphanygirl...