Job 38 - Pleides, Orion, and the sons of Arcturus

[StonedProphet]

From John Baptists

Tribulation Now - What is the Strong Delusion? What is the Lie, What causes the Falling Away?

"Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of
Orion? Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide
Arcturus with his sons?" -Job 38:31,32 KJV

And indeed it is GOD, who guides the "Sons" of Arcturus. God, (YHWH), refers to three different star systems clearly in the scripture; Pleiades, Orion and Arcturus. Here we see in Job 38, God "BINDS" the "sweet influences" of Pleiades. You see, the Pleiadians are LIARS. The "sweet influences" of the Pleiadians are the LIE that "they" are part of our "cosmic family". And Orion is a star system where God had to restrict entities that are coming upon the earth do war and destroy mankind.

However, God "guides" the "sons" of Arcturus.

"Do my alien abduction books and lectures indicate that "entities" from Arcturus have been reported as benevolent and wanting to help mankind but having to "restrain" ... yep

The scripture says what the scripture says... the rest is up to your imagination brother. -John"
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We begin this journey through the mysteries of the cosmos, embracing a humility associated with our origins, before the foundations of the world. We will explore the mysteries of the “star gods” who are coming to the earth to perpetuate “the lie” (2 Thes. 2:11). The secrets of the “ancient mystery religions” have been revealed. Come with me on this journey, through time and space.​

The “key” to understanding our divine origins as “sons of God”, indeed begins in the Garden of Eden, but NOT until Genesis 2:7 where God FIRST breaths the “living Soul” into the nostrils of Adam, the first man.​

1 Cor 15:45
And so it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being.” The last Adam (Yahsushua / Jesus) became a life-giving spirit.
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Rev 1:19-20
Write the things which you have seen, and the things which are, and the things which will take place after this.
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For in Genesis 1 were the writings of ages gone by. These are the things which John was to write of “prior ages”. The earth indeed is millions of years old. The “ages” of the earth are vast. The fishes of the sea have been there a long, long, time. The “man and woman” of Genesis 1 are not Adam and Eve. For Genesis 2:4 tells us that those are from prior “ages“.​

Gen 2:4
These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens
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(continued at Tribulation Now - What is the Strong Delusion? What is the Lie, What causes the Falling Away?)
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[Fireinfolding]

These show strong delusion here

2Ch 18:22 Now therefore,behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil against thee.


2Thes 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

2Thes 3:9 [Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

 

[Rick Otto]

At 1st glance I can say I've been waiting for this.
I've had two ufo sightings & talked to a couple of "Nordic types".

so thanks, & if I may ask, have you checked out Dr. Bill Deagle?
I don't turn over rocks like I used to, but I've been waiting for articulation on this deception theory.

I've intellectualy haunted myself with a scenario of a spacecraft showing up & offering me a ride when the earth starts shakin' & the river starts risin' (even more than it has already here in Omaha).
Do get onboard?
What if I do and while hangin' out in there I see a book called "How To Serve Mankind"... will it be a recipe book? (lol...gulp)

 

[ephesians4:2]

Aliens are coming but they are not our saviors. Since when does God or one of his faithful angels need spaceships to cross the universe?

"Aliens" are the fallen angels of the devil. Read you Bible and the book of Enoch if you want to know about the fallen angels and the nephilim. We've all been warned since the beginning.

Yes the "aliens" will be the strong delusion and possibly the great falling away.

The time is coming very soon when our faithfulness to Christ and God will be tested and aliens may be that thing that leads the greater part of the world astray.

 

[Rick Otto]

Well, I'm not far down his homepage & he has touched on quite a few sources I have visited. He seems to be making much better sense of it all than I did.

 

[Fireinfolding]

You can cut it this way (just watch the light Red (ignore the "Him")


2Thes 2:9 [Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

2Ti 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

2Ti2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

2Thes 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

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Now see it by refocusing on the "him" ( the working we already know)


Whereas it says here.....


(Giveth) Sign and wonder

Duet 13:1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,


(Having power) Signs and wonders

2Thes 2:9 [Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

(Which come to pass in that power) Signs and wonders

Duet 13:2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;

The Lord says...


Duet 13:3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams:

Reason given...

for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

Whereas Jesus speaks of the same as the Father

Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.



Can you forgive my colors again?

 

[granpa]

in job God is contrasting
the heavens with their regular laws which everything obeys perfectly
and the earth and its unruly unrulable animals.

 

[Fireinfolding]

I didnt read the website, it was way too long, but a question,

Pleiades is the seven stars isnt it? When you click on Pleiades the word can mean either

These seem to go

Amos 5:8 [Seek him] that maketh the seven stars and Orion

Rev 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

Rev 1:20 The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches

Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:


Things that are made were indicating that which reprensents the invisible things of him (even in respects to his power)

 

[granpa]

thank you

 

[Fireinfolding]

Welcome, you can catch the sun as His representive (where even the constellations are Orion) in Isaiah 13:10

The figures which show Christ (face as the sun) and what the Sun "knows" (of His own going down) and how God speaks in relationship to the time, noon being the 6th hour, these speak of Christ, even in these does it show his eternal power and Godhead.

These are kool, and you needed look into the sky to see them...

He done this before them...

Mat 17:2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun,

Likewise it says...

Psalm 104:19 He appointed the moon for seasons: the sun knoweth his going down.

Likewise He says... (His going down)

Luke 9:44 Let these sayings sink down into your ears: for the Son of man shall be delivered into the hands of men.


Pretty kool here...

Isaiah 13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth , and the moon shall not cause her light to shine .

Whereas He says likewise...

John 9:5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.

Here it is!

Amos 8:9 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord GOD, that I will cause the sun to go down at noon, and I will darken the earth in the clear day:

Likewise in accord with it....

Luke 23:44 And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour.

Whereas Here as the Sun (strength!) and the seven stars in His hand! whoa!

Rev 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

Right on key!


Rev 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore,


Oh man! Im in AWE! He so rocks!

I have this laid out in another way, which confirms the same but after the sure mercies of David but this even kooler when you can see it in various ways proving our Lord Jesus Christ! The Sun of righteousness.

Theres few more but pretty kool I think

Since looking up into the skies (heh)

 

[Rick Otto]

This guy is NOT telling us to serve other gods, he is warning us about the deception, he is not selling the lie.
Go to YouTube and look at all the messages from the Pleadians.
It is all feel-good stuff.

 

[visionary]

Among scientists, Orion Nebula [which is at the belt of the hunter] is known as the birth place of the stars. It is also shaped like the shoe horn of plenty and has all the colors of the rainbow.

 

[Fireinfolding]

This guy is NOT telling us to serve other gods, he is warning us about the deception, he is not selling the lie.
Go to YouTube and look at all the messages from the Pleadians.
It is all feel-good stuff.

Rick, no one said he was, were you speaking of my last post in respects to that? Of the Pleadians in the scripture (which is what I was trying to point out) is it equals the seven stars. I didnt highlight it there but I will highlight it and repost it

I didnt read the website, it was way too long, but a question,

Pleiades is the seven stars isnt it? When you click on Pleiades the word can mean either

These seem to go

Amos 5:8 [Seek him] that maketh the seven stars and Orion

Rev 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

Rev 1:20 The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches


Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:


Things that are made were indicating that which reprensents the invisible things of him (even in respects to his power)

Look at #3598 Rick

Amos 5:8 [Seek him] that maketh the seven stars 3598 and Orion,

Here I'll post it.... Pleiades 2, seven stars 1

Thats what I was speaking of there bro, see what Im talking about?

 

[Rick Otto]

No, I don't. It sounded like you were identifying this guy's information AS lies.
I am confused sis, unless your point is simply to say "seek Him", which is what I think I'm doing in trying to understand this.

 

[Fireinfolding]

No, I don't. It sounded like you were identifying this guy's information AS lies.
I am confused sis, unless your point is simply to say "seek Him", which is what I think I'm doing in trying to understand this.

Not at al bro, I just admitted in the post itself that I hadnt read the website that it was too long, besides I thought I'd look in scripture itself concerning Pleiades and how Pleiades is shown as the seven stars.

What anyone says I check with scripture to see what the scriptures speak in relation to the same. You know that bout me bro

You know how I feel about it, and I have expressed my doubts concerning it but to call it a lie (in warning us of one) I cannot call a lie, He is not saying follow "other gods".

However, rather then perceiving my post in accord with his train of thought (just say he is right) you should have understood, that those verses would likewise apply to that situation as well, hearing what I am saying?

So (just saying, hypothetical here) Theres evil stars that come to earth (which are aliens) and start given ya messages (type thing). Then one would have to consider THEM as a false prophets, false christs (etc etc) saying "go after other gods ye have not known" (not as you have known Him)

Same principle would apply there too bro, is what I am saying

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Job 38 - Pleides, Orion, and the sons of Arcturus

Interesting thread.

I looked at a few different translations and noticed a favorite version of mine translated those words as:

Rotherham) Job 9:9 Who made the Bear, the Giant and the Cluster, and the chambers of the south
Young) Job 9:9 Making Osh, Kesil, and Kimah, And the inner chambers of the south.
JPS1917 OT) Job 9:9 Who maketh the Bear, Orion, and the Pleiades, and the chambers of the south

Then I looked up the strong's # meaning and was rather surprised to see it came from an equivalent hebrew word meaning "fat/stupid/foolish"

Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon

3685 Kciyl kes-eel' the same as 3684; any notable constellation; specifically Orion (as if a burly one):--constellation, Orion.
3684 kciyl kes-eel' from 3688; properly, fat, i.e. (figuratively) stupid or silly:--fool(-ish).
3687 kciyluwth kes-eel-ooth' from 3684; silliness:--foolish.

I then remembered reading on this some years back from a favorite commentator of mine, Preston Eby.
He actually has a 47 part series just on the "Heavens Declare". I may have to read thru it again. Interesting


Kingdom Bible Studies Table of Contents

Kindgdom Bible Studies The Heavens Declare Part 1

During those star-studded nights above the plains of Judea, David looked into the heavens and there beheld the vast glittering band of stars making up our Milky Way. He was awed and knew there had to be boundless power, intelligence, and purpose behind it all He was transfixed. He so identified with that purpose that it became his passion. Everywhere he looked he could see the stamp of the divine Creator. He exclaimed in words of inspiration that sprang up from within his spirit: "The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament showeth His handiwork. Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night showeth knowledge. There is no speech nor language where their voice is not heard. Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world (Ps. 19:1-4).

The italicized words "there is" and "where" in verse three are not in the original manuscripts. While the King James Version says, "There is no speech nor language where ' their voice is not heard," the translators added these words supposedly to improve the meaning of the text. The marginal reference reads, "Without these their voice is heard." In other words, although there is no audible voice or sound, the message is so clear that all may recognize it. Rotherham correctly translates the passage, "There is no speech, and there are no words- unheard is their voice! Yet through all the earth hath gone forth their voice, and to the ends of the world their sayings."
　
The names of the constellations with their stars reveal the divine truth that was later written in the Bible. The written scriptures began with Job some forty-one centuries ago, but the truth of God was recorded in the starry heavens from the distant dawn of creation, untold ages before Abram journeyed from Ur of the Chaldees or Moses trod the burning sands of the Sinai. This is the great truth of Psalm 19. The first six verses speak of the truth recorded in the heavens, while the next five concern the truth written in the scriptures. The star-studded heavens at night and the blazing sun shining by day are in fact GOD'S BIBLE IN THE SKY visible from every land and nation over the world. Over the whole earth and from ships on the far-flung seas people can peer at this marvelous book and seek to discover the lost meanings now almost forgotten by mankind. Day by day and night by night they beam down upon us from the Father of lights --our heavenly Father' s Lesson Book- describing His character and the unspeakably glorious plan of creation and redemption which from the dawn of history He has ordained for the world.

 

[Fireinfolding]

They could disern the face of the sky

But not his visitation (to them)



Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

Isaiah 8:18 Behold, I and the children whom the LORD hath given me are for signs and for wonders in Israel from the LORD of hosts, which dwelleth in mount Zion.

Acts 14:3 Long time therefore abode they speaking boldly in the Lord, which gave testimony unto the word of his grace, and granted signs and wonders to be done by their hands.

Heb 2:4 God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?

Heb 2:13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.

Isaiah 8:18 Behold, I and the children whom the LORD hath given me are for signs and for wonders in Israel from the LORD of hosts, which dwelleth in mount Zion.

John 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.


Ephes 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

Gen 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

Ephes 2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:


Psalm 97:6 The heavens declare his righteousness, and all the people see his glory.

Ephes 1:6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.



Ephes 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

From John Baptists

Tribulation Now - What is the Strong Delusion? What is the Lie, What causes the Falling Away?

I just happened to notice a thread on the Eschatology board on this.

[link courtesy of Lamblinks]......And with that, I now unsubscribe

http://www.christianforums.com/t7529563/
The Strong Delusion is extraterrestrial Designers are our gods

[FONT=&quot]And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. (2Th 2:11-12 NKJ)[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]What precisely will the strong delusion/lie propose? That Extraterrestrial scientists intelligently designed life on this planet and gave it its religions. Therefore a worldwide falling away from traditional beliefs in Deity must come first, for these beings and their spokesman to sit as gods on the earth: <snip> [/FONT]

 

[Fireinfolding]

I thought one beast come up out of the earth and one out of the sea, Im no good at this stuff, but just asking.

Because they make an image out whats a no no in the same accord

Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

The second to the first

Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

Whereas its probrobly ironic theres no mention of "speaking here"

See?

Duet 40:28 And there ye shall serve gods, the work of men's hands, wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell.

Nope, no mention of "speaking"

 

[JacktheCatholic]

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