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Well no, he isn't and hasn't been for a LONG time...He is the Bishop of Rome and considered "first among equals. However by being the Bishop of Rome, he as first among equals has more influence than the other Bishops like for example the Bishop of Jerusalem, Hippo, or Antioch.
You are correct. The Church in Jerusalem was the first unified Church and it was full of Jewish converts. At that time, Christianity was considered a Jewish sect. When it spread to Rome and Greece, and the Apostles' letters were mostly written in Greek, the Greek language was the language of education so many Greek-speaking people were able to read the Epistles and Gospel, even though at that point the Books and Epistles hadn't been settled upon to make up the New Testament.Well Yeshua founded HIS Church in Jerusalem where the first Council occurred as far as I know. From there the Apostles spread it.
Well if it was a Jewish sect within Judaism, did a Jew convert to belief in our own Messiah?You are correct. The Church in Jerusalem was the first unified Church and it was full of Jewish converts. At that time, Christianity was considered a Jewish sect.
Thank you for your opinion.The problem is, you explicitly claimed it was Clement. You didn't specify Clement of Rome, but at any rate it was neither Clement of Rome nor Clement of Alexandria, but an unknown writer claiming to be Clement of Rome.
In 1 Cor 12:27 Paul wrote , Now you are CALLED the Body of Christ and members in PART , and 1 Cor 12:15- 17 what PART real means .What are we called out of Dan?
Are you sure? Because the number of Roman Catholics all over the world seem to outnumber any other Christian organization by having over a billion adherents. Are you sure the Bishop of Rome has no influence?Well no, he isn't and hasn't been for a LONG time...
I do not consider myself, nor claim to be, an "expert." I have earned a Master's degree in Theology, in the previous century, and I have the current Hebrew and Greek lexicons, both hard back and digital, and "I am not burdened by what has been."Indeed, nor was it meant to, since you’re the expert when it comes to the Bible!
Being in the majority isn't always the place to be.Because the number of Roman Catholics all over the world seem to outnumber any other Christian organization by having over a billion adherents.
There are 1.9 billion Muslims in the world...so? He is no longer the first among equals nor has ever been head of the Church. His importance is solely within the Roman church...Are you sure? Because the number of Roman Catholics all over the world seem to outnumber any other Christian organization by having over a billion adherents. Are you sure the Bishop of Rome has no influence?
Yes, all of the Apostles did. Some like Peter, kept Jewish dietary law and some like Paul at with the Pagans but they were all Jewish converts and Apostles like Peter and James went to the Jews with their message and I believe the first major universal church was in Jerusalem which was Jewish country. So it stands to reason the the first Christians were also Jews.Well if it was a Jewish sect within Judaism, did a Jew convert to belief in our own Messiah?
Quite however, it does also seem to imply that the original Church is still where every other denomination got their theology from. As they (and the Eastern church after the great scism) Delivered the message of salvation and still do. I wonder why it was good enough for thtire wester world for about 1500 years. At that point, Christianity became a buffet. Take what you like from Catholicism and leave what you don't. And there are over 1,000 different buffets to choose from.Being in the majority isn't always the place to be.
Matthew 7:13 "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in there at:"
Matthew 7:14 "Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."
Matthew 7:14 “Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.”Are you sure? Because the number of Roman Catholics all over the world seem to outnumber any other Christian organization by having over a billion adherents. Are you sure the Bishop of Rome has no influence?
Yes, but the original church was that body of believers that had that foundation laid for them by the prophets, disciples/apostles with of Christ being the cornerstone. They met wherever and it was God that added to the church not man. (that's not the case today for many physical churches) And yes, every denomination gets their theology from that. But imo anyone that veers off of that foundation and doesn't uphold the teachings and traditions that they brought forth is way off course of what we would call the " original true church" today. They might have had good intentions and held to those at first but again, if you steer from that....Quite however, it does also seem to imply that the original Church is still where every other denomination got their theology from.
I see you are also deceived by the concept of "works." Your Protestant leader (whoever they were, could be Luther, Calvin, or Joyce Meyer) There is no agreement on Protestant doctrine, only 1,000+ different ways of picking and choosing what Catholic theology is valid and what is invalid as if your denomination had a global consensus on any doctrine. One out of 5 billion on Earth IS the narrow gate. Would you like your random Protestant denomination founded by some random dude who claimed he knew better than the Church Christ founded to have a billion+ + adherents? I am inclined to think so. But they don't because they can't overtake the Church that Christ and his Disciples founded. Go your way and I'll go mine knowing the Bible of your likely "Sola Scriptura," was approved by the first universal church ever founded. Set forth by Christ, the keys to the Kingdom were passed to St Peter. Many others are Paulians rather than Christians. That's even a more narrow path choked off with reeds, reeds, thorn, thistles and blocked by the ambition of those who want to think they have more knowledge than the worldwide magisterium.Matthew 7:14 “Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.”
Jesus said narrow is the way, few find it, if the Roman Catholic Church is true, thats not a narrow way. Works salvation is not narrow at all, every single religion believes in a Works based salvation. not Jesus Christ alone. the Roman Catholic Church is on the broad road that leads to destruction.
Of course, since the CHurch you follow was founded by some guy who thought he knew better and deceived you into thinking the Church established by Christ with the keys passed to Peter, youwould believe anything they say. Maybe it feels more comfortable I don't know but I do know that whoever founded your church never had a conversation with Christ, whereas the founder of the Roman Chursh (Saint Peter) sat at the foot of Christ every day of his ministry. Did Christ hand the keys to the kingdom to whatever dude founded your Church? No, he gave them to St Peter and whatever he bound on Earth will be bound in heaven and whatever he lososed on Earth will be loosed in heaves. As a believer of Sola Scripture, why do you throw the verses of the well-established Catholic Canonized New Testament?There are 1.9 billion Muslims in the world...so? He is no longer the first among equals nor has ever been head of the Church. His importance is solely within the Roman church...
I agree. No Protestant Church can say they had a more accurate revelation than the revelation that was given to the Apostles. They all start and end in a different place choosing what they like from the original Church and throwing out what they like.Yes, but the original church was that body of believers that had that foundation laid for them by the prophets, disciples/apostles with of Christ being the cornerstone. They met wherever and it was God that added to the church not man. (that's not the case today for many physical churches) And yes, every denomination gets their theology from that. But imo anyone that veers off of that foundation and doesn't uphold the teachings and traditions that they brought forth is way off course of what we would call the " original true church" today. They might have had good intentions and held to those at first but again, if you steer from that....
That goes for all.
Of course, since the CHurch you follow was founded by some guy who thought he knew better and deceived you into thinking the Church established by Christ with the keys passed to Peter,
As I pointed out in post #7, it's common in Greek for names to take on a gender other than that of the base word in order to match the gender of the person. So even if we grant this distinction in meaning (which I reject, but for the sake of argument let's say we grant it), your line of reasoning where the name "Petros" can't be a masculine name based on the word "petra" and must be a direct application of the word "petros" to the person is 1) inconsistent with what we know about Greek names, and 2) would make it impossible for Jesus to name Peter "bedrock" due to the existence of a masculine variant of the word with the sense of a lesser rock.You are in fact wriggling! Jesus named Simon/Cephas Petros [masculine] a small stone. And upon this rock Petra [feminine] bed rock I will my church. Petra, feminine cannot refer to Peter a male.
My Church was founded by Yeshua Himself...some "guy" indeed! I believe what He said....almost 2000 years ago...I am not protestant. Your church was part of my Church until your church left in 1054 AD...Of course, since the CHurch you follow was founded by some guy who thought he knew better and deceived you into thinking the Church established by Christ with the keys passed to Peter, you would believe anything they say. As a believer of Sola Scripture, why do you throw the verses of the well-established Catholic Canonized New Testament?
This goes for many denominations and churches. (Protestant, CC, etc) One can't throw out anything or add anything upon the foundation and teachings they brought forward. If there's a man made tradition that wasn't part of that original teaching than we have to ask ourselves has that church veered off course of the original church that was founded by the apostles? Christ has foretold us all things. Nothing to be taken away or added.They all start and end in a different place choosing what they like from the original Church and throwing out what they like.
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