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Jesus & 144,000 Rev 14:1-5

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Revelation 14

Jesus Standing on Mount Zion

Rev 14:1 And I (John) looked, and, lo, a Lamb (Jesus John 1:29 Rev 5:5,6) stood (position Rev 1:13-16) on the Mount Sion, (Jerusalem Dan 9:24-26) and with him an hundred forty and four thousand (Virgin Jew Men Rev 7:4), having his (Jesus) Father's (God) name written in their foreheads (Rev 7:3).

Jesus Standing on Mount Sion

Heb 12:22 But you are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

Rev 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

Rev 5:13 And honor, and glory, and power, be unto him that sits upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

Rev 14:4b These are they every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I say, Blessing, and which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goes. These were redeemed from among men, being the first-fruits unto God and to the Lamb.

Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

144,000 Virgin Jew Men Standing with God

Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

Rev 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
  • Rev 19:12 His eyes [were] as a flame of fire, and on his head [were] many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
  • Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Rev 19:16 And he has on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Heavenly Harpers Playing Harps

Rev 14:2 And I (John) heard a voice (Jesus authoritative control) from heaven, as (parallel) the voice of many waters (Rev 1:15), and as the voice of a great thunder: and I (John) heard the voice (authoritative participation) of harpers harping with their harps (Rev 15:2):

The Voice of God

Jhn 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: Gen 1:3 God said John 1:14 the word was made flesh

Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

Rev 1:15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come into him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Rev 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard [was] as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, come up here, and I will show you things which must be hereafter.

The Voices of Harper

1Sa 16:23 And it came to pass, when the [evil] spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took a harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him.

Psa 33:2 Praise the LORD with harp: sing unto him with the psaltery and an instrument of ten strings.

Rev 5:8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odors, which are the prayers of saints.

Rev 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

The Virgin Jew Men Sing a New Song

Rev 14:3 And they (harpers) sung as it were a new song before the (heavenly) throne (Rev 4:2-6,2 5:1 14:14 20:11), and before the four beasts (Seraphim Rev 4:6-8)), and the elders (Rev 4:10,11): and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand (Rev 14:1), which were redeemed (by Jesus Rev 7:3, 9:4) from the (tribulation) earth.

The Throne

Rev 4:2,3 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. Rev 4:3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.

Rev 14:14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

The Four Beasts-Seraphim and Four & Twenty Elders

Rev 4:4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their head’s crowns of gold.
  • Rev 4:10,11 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that lives for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying, Rev 4:11 You are worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honor and power: for you hast created all things, and for your pleasure they are and were created.
  • Rev 4:6-8 And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind. Rev 4:7 And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle. Rev 4:8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come
New Song Rev 14:4 redeemed by Jesus, Rev 14:5 have no guile in mouths

Rev 7:3 Sealed with Seal of God Rev 7:4 144,000 Children of Israel, Rev 14:1 Father’s Name in Foreheads, Rev 14:3 Sing New Song, Rev 14:4 Virgin Jew Men

Undefiled Virgin Jew Men

Rev 14:4 These are they (Virgin Jew Men) which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins (Rev 7:3,4). These are they (Virgin Jew Men) which follow the Lamb (title of Jesus) whither so ever he (Jesus) goes. These (Virgin Jew Men) were redeemed (by Jesus Rev 14:3) from among men, being the first fruits unto God and to the Lamb (two titles one being).

Virgin Woman Isa 7:14 Matt 1:18-25 Mary

Virgin Children Rev 12:17 6th Trumpet Kingdom Saints

The Virgin Jew Men

Rev 7:3 servants of God
Rev 7:3 sealed in foreheads
Rev 7:4 144,000 sealed
Rev 7:4 sealed from Children of Israel
Rev 7:4-8 12000 from each 12 tribes
Rev 14:1 stand on Mount Zion Jesus
Rev 14:1 Father’s name in foreheads
Rev 14:3 sing new song
Rev 14:3 no man can learn new song
Rev 14:3 redeemed from earth
Rev 14:4 not defiled with women
Rev 14:4 they are virgins
Rev 14:4 they always follow Jesus
Rev 14:4 redeemed from among men
Rev 14:4 first fruits to God and Jesus
Rev 14:5 no guile in mouths
Rev 14:5 no fault before God’s throne

Virgin Jew Men have no Deceit.

Rev 14:5 And in their (Virgin Jew Men) mouth (authoritative participation) was found no guile (deceit Rev 7:3,4): for they are without fault before the (heavenly) throne (Rev 14:3) of God.

Jesus is the Christ the Son of God (Matt 16:13-20 Acts 20:28 Heb 12:23

Matt 26:63 Jesus held his peace. the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure you by the living God (Rev 11:3), that you tell us whether you be the Christ, the Son of God (God flesh and blood Gen 3:15 Acts 20:28).

Acts 10:43 To him (Jesus) give all the prophets witness (Isa 8:20), that through his (Matt 1:18-25) name whosoever believes in him will receive remission of sins (1Cor 3:11).

Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

The Good Witness
  • Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your seed and her seed; it shall bruise your head, and you shalt bruise his heel.
  • Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Joh 3:11-18 Verily, verily, I say unto you, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and you receive not our witness. Joh 3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and you believe not, how shall you believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? Joh 3:13 And no man has ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. Joh 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: Joh 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Luk 23:29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.
 

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The 144,000 are redeemed at the time of great tribulation in revelation 7,but they are redeemed from the earth.(Soil-ground)


Revelation 14
3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.



earth

Word: gh

Pronounce: ghay

Strongs Number: G1093

Orig: contracted from a primary word; soil; by extension a region, or the solid part or the whole of the terrene globe (including the occupants in each application):--country, earth(-ly), ground, land, world.

Use: TDNT-1:677,116 Noun Feminine

Heb Strong: H127 H178 H376 H776 H841 H953 H1250 H1366 H1471 H1516 H1870 H2022 H2465 H2724 H3004 H4725 H5892 H5971 H6010 H6083 H6160 H6850 H7704 H8397

  1. 1) arable land2) the ground, the earth as a standing place3) the main land as opposed to the sea or water4) the earth as a whole4a) the earth as opposed to the heavens4b) the inhabited earth, the abode of men and animals5) a country, land enclosed within fixed boundaries, a tract of land, territory, region


They are the first fruits of the harvest having been redeemed from.soil.

Revelation 20
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.







They are briefly mentioned before the great tribulation takes place in revelation 6.

Revelation 6
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
 
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Jesus Standing on Mount Zion
The Lord Jesus will be revealed to His own people, when they have gathered into all of the holy Land, soon after all that area is cleared and cleansed. by the Sixth Seal Day of the Lords wrath. As is plainly Prophesied in; 2 Thessalonians 1:6-10
The faithful Christain peoples, are from every tribe, race, nation and language and will be divided into 12 groups. Jesus will select 12,000 out of each group to go out to proclaim the Gospel of the coming Kingdom. Isaiah 66:19

Your idea of the Jews being the recipients of Gods favour, is error and negates the whole message of the New Testament.
Scripture is crystal clear; Only a remnant of ethnic Israel will survive in the end times. Isaiah 22:14
 
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The Lord Jesus will be revealed to His own people, when they have gathered into all of the holy Land, soon after all that area is cleared and cleansed. by the Sixth Seal Day of the Lords wrath. As is plainly Prophesied in; 2 Thessalonians 1:6-10
The faithful Christain peoples, are from every tribe, race, nation and language and will be divided into 12 groups. Jesus will select 12,000 out of each group to go out to proclaim the Gospel of the coming Kingdom. Isaiah 66:19

Your idea of the Jews being the recipients of Gods favour, is error and negates the whole message of the New Testament.
Scripture is crystal clear; Only a remnant of ethnic Israel will survive in the end times. Isaiah 22:14
Where does the New testament say God can not do what he wants with whom he wants?
 
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Where does the New testament say God can not do what he wants with whom he wants?
God will do what He has said He will do. Amos 3:7
He sent Jesus to offer Salvation to all who would accept Him and keep the Commandments. Now: it is only the faithful Christian peoples who are the Israelites of God. Proved by Isaiah 51:1-2, Galatians 6:14-16, 1 Peter 2:9-10

If you want to make ethnicity the criteria, you directly oppose Ephesians 2:11-18 and many other scriptures.
At any rate, we western peoples actually have a better claim to descent from Jacob than most of the current citizens of Israel.
 
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God will do what He has said He will do. Amos 3:7
He sent Jesus to offer Salvation to all who would accept Him and keep the Commandments. Now: it is only the faithful Christian peoples who are the Israelites of God. Proved by Isaiah 51:1-2, Galatians 6:14-16, 1 Peter 2:9-10

If you want to make ethnicity the criteria, you directly oppose Ephesians 2:11-18 and many other scriptures.
At any rate, we western peoples actually have a better claim to descent from Jacob than most of the current citizens of Israel.
Your the one who made ethnicity an issue.

According to your logic.God can not choose who will reign with Christ .He has to pick people who are not of a certain ethnicity .

I'm saying ,how does the New testament hamstring God from chosing who he wants to sit beside Jesus?

Mark 10
35 And James and John, the sons of Zebedee, come unto him, saying, Master, we would that thou shouldest do for us whatsoever we shall desire.

36 And he said unto them, What would ye that I should do for you?

37 They said unto him, Grant unto us that we may sit, one on thy right hand, and the other on thy left hand, in thy glory.

38 But Jesus said unto them, Ye know not what ye ask: can ye drink of the cup that I drink of? and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with?

39 And they said unto him, We can. And Jesus said unto them, Ye shall indeed drink of the cup that I drink of; and with the baptism that I am baptized withal shall ye be baptized:

40 But to sit on my right hand and on my left hand is not mine to give; but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared.






If God chooses that a remnant of Israelis should sit on either side of Jesus ,then Israelis will sit on either side of Jesus.God had not given up his authority to chose whom he wants to reign with Christ.
Your the one saying God can not choose Israelis to reign with Christ because of their ethnicity.
 
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God will do what He has said He will do. Amos 3:7
He sent Jesus to offer Salvation to all who would accept Him and keep the Commandments. Now: it is only the faithful Christian peoples who are the Israelites of God. Proved by Isaiah 51:1-2, Galatians 6:14-16, 1 Peter 2:9-10

If you want to make ethnicity the criteria, you directly oppose Ephesians 2:11-18 and many other scriptures.
At any rate, we western peoples actually have a better claim to descent from Jacob than most of the current citizens of Israel.



Revelation ,7
5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.


Here,the word of God says that 12000 from the tribe of Judah are sealed .
But you say God can not do that because God can not choose 12000 from the tribe of Judah to be sealed.
You say they must be Chinese or Japanese before they can be sealed.You say God can't seal 12000 from.the tribe of Judah because God does not know who they decended from.


Who are you to say God can not choose 12000 from the tribe of Judah to be sealed with his seal?
 
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@tailgator; from the posts above and on other threads, it is evident how you twist, warp and misconstrue other peoples posts.
It seems that anything that conflicts with your beliefs has to be squashed, by any means, but usually by rude accusations.

Obviously, you have very little knowledge of all the Bible Prophesies. The House of Judah, faces Judgment and punishment now and only a remnant will survive. It will be the third swing of the sword... Ezekiel 21:8-14
That remnant must be Christians now and will be sufficient to become 2/12ths of the 144k.
 
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@tailgator; from the posts above and on other threads, it is evident how you twist, warp and misconstrue other peoples posts.
It seems that anything that conflicts with your beliefs has to be squashed, by any means, but usually by rude accusations.

Obviously, you have very little knowledge of all the Bible Prophesies. The House of Judah, faces Judgment and punishment now and only a remnant will survive. It will be the third swing of the sword... Ezekiel 21:8-14
That remnant must be Christians now and will be sufficient to become 2/12ths of the 144k.
I'm not the one twisting scripture and saying it is false.That would be you Keras.

The word of God is true and the 144000 are of the 12 tribes of Israel listed in the text.The 12000 who are of the tribe of Judah and descendents of Judah .

Revelation ,7
5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.



The 144000 are the first fruits of the harvest and follow the lamb wherever he goes.They do what you don't do.
 
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The Lord Jesus will be revealed to His own people, when they have gathered into all of the holy Land, soon after all that area is cleared and cleansed. by the Sixth Seal Day of the Lords wrath. As is plainly Prophesied in; 2 Thessalonians 1:6-10
The faithful Christain peoples, are from every tribe, race, nation and language and will be divided into 12 groups. Jesus will select 12,000 out of each group to go out to proclaim the Gospel of the coming Kingdom. Isaiah 66:19

Your idea of the Jews being the recipients of Gods favour, is error and negates the whole message of the New Testament.
Scripture is crystal clear; Only a remnant of ethnic Israel will survive in the end times. Isaiah 22:14
This is pure nonsense.

The 144000 are the first fruits redeemed from the soil.They are the first resurection.
They will reign with Christ over the great multitude which comes out of great tribulation in the sixth seal .The 144000 are them which have followed the lamb wherever he goes.
 
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This is pure nonsense.

The 144000 are the first fruits redeemed from the soil.They are the first resurection.
They will reign with Christ over the great multitude which comes out of great tribulation in the sixth seal .The 144000 are them which have followed the lamb wherever he goes.
Point out the scripture that says the 144k are [were] dead people.
Does Jesus select them just to follow around after Him?
 
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Point out the scripture that says the 144k are [were] dead people.
Does Jesus select them just to follow around after Him?
How many people under the soil do you believe are breathing?
They are redeemed from soil.Ive already posted the scripture
 
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How many people under the soil do you believe are breathing?
They are redeemed from soil.Ive already posted the scripture
I presume you are referring to Rev 6:9-11.
They are all the Christian martyrs since Stephen. They, along with all the rest of the dead, must wait until the GWT Judgment; after the Millennium.
Rev 20:4-6 is undeniable; ONLY the Christian martyrs will be resurrected at the Return of Jesus.
 
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I presume you are referring to Rev 6:9-11.
They are all the Christian martyrs since Stephen. They, along with all the rest of the dead, must wait until the GWT Judgment; after the Millennium.
Rev 20:4-6 is undeniable; ONLY the Christian martyrs will be resurrected at the Return of Jesus.
The christians martyrs are with Jesus at his return.
Jesus is the one who redeems them from the soil.
12000 from each tribe of Israel.

Revelation 14

14 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.​


2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.
 
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I presume you are referring to Rev 6:9-11.
They are all the Christian martyrs since Stephen. They, along with all the rest of the dead, must wait until the GWT Judgment; after the Millennium.
Rev 20:4-6 is undeniable; ONLY the Christian martyrs will be resurrected at the Return of Jesus.
No
These do not wait till after the 1000 years.

These are martyrs.


Revelation 6
11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
 
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The christians martyrs are with Jesus at his return.
Jesus is the one who redeems them from the soil.
12000 from each tribe of Israel.

Revelation 14

14 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.​


2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

The Israel Of God Is The Church​


Gods words clearly show (Two Israel's) below

1.) Israel of the flesh (Jews)

2.) Israel of the promised seed (Church)

Scripture clearly teaches Israel of the flesh, they aren't the children of God, it's that simple

Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: 7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Yes the Kingdom of God has been taken from National Ethnic Israel, And Given To The Church, a "Holy Nation" as clearly seen below

Matthew 21:43KJV
3 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

(The Church A Holy Nation)

1 Peter 2:9KJV
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
 
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The children of Judah are descendents of Judah.

The children of Benjamin are descendents of Benjamin.

Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.​


Your claim that Jews can not be children of God is an outright lie.You are preaching lies that the descendents of Jacob can not be members of the church is an outright Lie.


You lie against all the apostles for they were descendents of Jacob


Philpiams 3

4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:

5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;




Just as Paul is a descendent of the tribe of Benjamin.So there are 12000 sealed of the tribe of Benjamin .


Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.​

It appears you have a hard time understanding "The Church Is The Israel Of God"!

James wrote to "The Church" the twelve tribes scattered abroad, he didn't write to ethnic Jews

James 1:1KJV
James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.


The Israel Of God Is The Church​


Gods words clearly show (Two Israel's) below

1.) Israel of the flesh (Jews)

2.) Israel of the promised seed (Church)

Scripture clearly teaches Israel of the flesh, they aren't the children of God, it's that simple

Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: 7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Yes the Kingdom of God has been taken from National Ethnic Israel, And Given To The Church, a "Holy Nation" as clearly seen below

Matthew 21:43KJV
3 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

(The Church A Holy Nation)

1 Peter 2:9KJV
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
 
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It appears you have a hard time understanding "The Church Is The Israel Of God"!

James wrote to "The Church" the twelve tribes scattered abroad, he didn't write to ethnic Jews

James 1:1KJV
James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.


The Israel Of God Is The Church​


Gods words clearly show (Two Israel's) below

1.) Israel of the flesh (Jews)

2.) Israel of the promised seed (Church)

Scripture clearly teaches Israel of the flesh, they aren't the children of God, it's that simple

Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: 7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Yes the Kingdom of God has been taken from National Ethnic Israel, And Given To The Church, a "Holy Nation" as clearly seen below

Matthew 21:43KJV
3 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

(The Church A Holy Nation)

1 Peter 2:9KJV
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
So ,which of the twelves tribes in revelation are you of?

Here are the twelve tribes of Israel.So which one are you of?


Revelation 7
4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.

6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.

7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.

8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.



I myself am of the nations .Often refered to as the church by the nations.

Revelation 7

9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;




So ,which of the twelve tribes of Israel are you of?
 
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Which son of jacob are you a descendent from?
Can you not realise that no-one today can claim descent from any specific ancestor, beyond 10 generations, as the mathematical truths of genetic dispersion, means that everyone alive today has some genes from Jacob?

Revelation 7:1-14, tells the story of what will happen; The Lords faithful Christian peoples, from every tribe, race, nation and language, will be gathered into the holy Land. Ezekiel 34:11-16, Romans 9:24-26
They will be divided into 12 groups, named after the 12 sons of Jacob, from which Jesus will select 12,000; Rev 14:1-5, who will go out to proclaim the coming Kingdom. Rev 14:6-7 & Isaiah 66:19
 
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This thread had a clean up of problem posts. Folks, the personal comments about the other member's abilities are flaming and continued flaming will lead to a ban.
 
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