Is Kanye West an apostate?

[QuestionQuest74]

He went from proclaiming Jesus is Lord to claiming he is God again. Do yall think he fits the description of a apostate in Hebrews?

 

[AlexB23]

He went from proclaiming Jesus is Lord to claiming he is God again. Do yall think he fits the description of a apostate in Hebrews?

Well, I do not like Kanye West, or most rappers (worldly musicians), but this is a News & Current events forum. Your original post would go better in the Theology thread, my brother.

An apostate, from a theological perspective, refers to an individual who has formally renounced or abandoned their previous religious beliefs and affiliations. This term is often used in Christian contexts to describe someone who was once a member of a particular faith community but has since departed from its teachings and practices. Apostasy is considered a serious matter in many religious traditions, as it can be seen as a rejection of the divine will or a turning away from God. The consequences of apostasy, according to some religious doctrines, may include spiritual or even eternal penalties. It's important to remember that the definition and implications of apostasy can vary widely among different religious groups.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

He went from proclaiming Jesus is Lord to claiming he is God again. Do yall think he fits the description of a apostate in Hebrews?

That is between him and God.

 

[bèlla]

No. I think he's grappling with issues the average person coming to faith isn't wrestling with. He's a public figure and musical talent who makes a lot of money for several entities that wouldn't support a conversion. Unlike most, his position has consequences and he has children to protect. I don't envy his position. It makes me sad.

~bella

 

[Michie]

He went from proclaiming Jesus is Lord to claiming he is God again. Do yall think he fits the description of an apostate in Hebrews?

I think he backslid and he backslid hard. Look at this new wife and how he makes her dress. Look at the sexual act he and his wife displayed in Italy. Now it seems he wants to do a porn studio or some such. Then you have the fact he struggles with mental illness. The man jumps from one thing to another. As far as the conspiracies etc. in his defense…No, I do’t believe it. Add to that the man seems to like Hitler and is promoting that old trope that Jews control everything. He is rarely with his kids and puts his oldest daughter on his latest album. Brags she ruined a sofa to go to events with him. The evidence is there to say he is not a well man. Best thing to do is pray for him and that he finds some sort of stability. His drama is exhausting.

 

[Michie]

I almost forgot he said if he could choose who he would have a threesome with: Michelle Obama would be his choice along with his new wife….

 

[AlexB23]

I almost forgot he said if he could choose who he would have a threesome with: Michelle Obama would be his choice along with his new wife….

Gross. This is why I prefer smaller artists (such as indie pop and electronic), cos it seems that there is less disgusting worldly practices from small indie artists. By the way, articles are required in this subforum, but it is best that we do not put any articles about Kanye here, as that stuff he says is sickening and disgusting to read about.

 

[Michie]

Gross. This is why I prefer smaller artists (such as indie pop and electronic), cos it seems that there is less disgusting worldly practices from small indie artists. By the way, articles are required in this subforum, but it is best that we do not put any articles about Kanye here, as that stuff he says is sickening and disgusting to read about.

The man is struggling but is also very calculating. He is not an innocent victim. Look at the properties he’s bought, he tears them up and never finishes them. He keeps sticking his foot in it and seeking attention any way he can get it. Proclaims himself a genius in his madness. He seriously needs to take some time out to find himself and get healthy. He can afford it.

 

[Michie]

Here is an article for the forum:

The Self-Destruction of Kanye West

In the midst of Kanye's anti-Semitic rant, don't downplay his anti-Blackness.

www.psychologytoday.com

 

[AlexB23]

The man is struggling but is also very calculating. He is not an innocent victim. Look at the properties he’s bought, he tears them up and never finishes them. He keeps sticking his foot in it and seeking attention any way he can get it. Proclaims himself a genius in his madness. He seriously needs to take some time out to find himself and get healthy. He can afford it.

Yeah, Kanye is cunning, in a bad way with his schemes. My April 18, 2024 Bible study talks about this.

Date	April 18, 2024
Verse	Psalm 10:2-7 (NIV): In his arrogance the wicked man hunts down the weak, who are caught in the schemes he devises. He boasts about the cravings of his heart; he blesses the greedy and reviles the Lord. In his pride the wicked man does not seek him; in all his thoughts there is no room for God. His ways are always prosperous; your laws are rejected by him; he sneers at all his enemies. He says to himself, “Nothing will ever shake me.” He swears, “No one will ever do me harm.” His mouth is full of lies and threats; trouble and evil are under his tongue.
Explanation	This passage describes the arrogant and wicked behavior of an individual who disregards God and preys upon the weak. The wicked man hunts down and schemes against the vulnerable, boasts about his desires, blesses the greedy, and rejects God's laws. In modern culture, we can find examples of individuals who embody the wicked man's behavior described in Psalm 10:2-7. These figures might be found in business, politics, or entertainment industries where power and wealth are highly valued. They often use their influence to manipulate, deceive, and harm others for their own gain.

 

[Michie]

Currently-


Adidas severed ties with him. His talent agency dropped him. But on Friday night, an arena on Long Island was filled with thousands of people who most certainly had not turned their backs on Ye, the artist formerly known as Kanye West.

Shortly before releasing “Vultures 1,” his first album since making a string of antisemitic remarks that cost him business deals and drew widespread condemnation, Ye previewed his new collaboration with the R&B singer Ty Dolla Sign at a listening party at UBS Arena, further testing the boundaries of his fandom with lyrics that did not tiptoe around the controversy.

“‘Crazy, bipolar, antisemite,’ and I’m still the king,” Ye raps in “King,” the final song on the LP, which drew a modest wave of cheers.

Ty Dolla Sign and Ye appeared a bit before 11 p.m. on a smoke-filled stage — at least, that was the impression, though it was hard to confirm who was there. Wearing a full mask, the rapper, designer and longtime provocateur never showed his face as he exulted in his new music, which included samples from Donna Summer’s “I Feel Love” and the Backstreet Boys (“Yeezy’s back, all right!”).

Continued below.

Ye’s New LP Debuts at a New York Arena. Why Do His Fans Stay Loyal?

The rapper formerly known as Kanye West has been mired in controversy after making a string of antisemitic remarks. Thousands showed up to hear “Vultures 1” on Friday night.

www.nytimes.com

 

[bèlla]

Yeah, Kanye is cunning, in a bad way with his schemes. My April 18, 2024 Bible study talks about this,

Do you know him personally? No.
Do you routinely engage with people with significant wealth?
How many millionaires do you know personally?
Do you have a large inheritance on the horizon?
How many private memberships do you have?

If you're not in that world you don't what it's like. You know what you read. That's like someone scrutinizing the church who never crossed the threshold. Your vision is limited.

~bella

 

[AlexB23]

Do you know him personally? No.
Do you routinely engage with people with significant wealth?
How many millionaires do you know personally?
Do you have a large inheritance on the horizon?
How many private memberships do you have?

If you're not in that world you don't what it's like. You know what you read. That's like someone scrutinizing the church who never crossed the threshold. Your vision is limited.

~bella

Yeah, but if he repeats his mistakes over again, and says racist statements, we should avoid him. But we will never truly know if someone is an apostate.

 

[Michie]

Yeah, but if he repeats his mistakes over again, and says racist statements, we should avoid him. But we will never truly know if someone is an apostate.

You aren’t rich Alex. You should not have an opinion about a public figure that makes it a point to draw attention to himself. Shut up. Lol!

 

[bèlla]

Yeah, they tried to cancel him but his fans closed their wallets and Adidas lost billions. They underestimated them. They loved the man not the label. He dropped Vultures in 2024. Independently published and it shot to number one. Like him or not, he's the only one who thwarted cancellation and his fan base includes all hues. He went to the middle east and got his funding. They'll ride before the rest because he's just like them.

~bella

 

[Michie]

From a black psychologist:

On a podcast earlier this month, Kanye declared that he could make anti-Semitic remarks and Adidas still could not drop him.

He was wrong about that. His fall from grace has been stunning. The list of companies that have broken ties with Kanye continues to grow, including Apple Music, Peloton, Skechers, and, most recently, Adidas. Forbes reported that, as a result of this scandal, Kanye is no longer a billionaire. If you have followed Kanye’s career, or even just occasionally read a story about him, you’ll know that his billionaire status meant a lot to him.

The Problem with Kanye's Anti-Blackness​

If I’m being completely honest, part of me feels that Kanye’s comeuppance has been a long time in the making. Kanye has repeatedly engaged in provocative behaviors that have been disrespectful to the Black community. After all, this is the individual who said that 400 years of slavery sounded like a choice (he later apologized but the damage was done). This is the individual who recently wore a White Lives Matter shirt at Paris Fashion Week, saying it was, “funny.”


Prior to these most recent outbursts, people have been willing to put up with Kanye’s idiosyncrasies. He has been viewed as a brilliant madman, a generational yet complicated artist who is often misunderstood. For years, the Black community tried to understand, embrace, and protect him. The death of his mother in 2007 impacted him especially hard and still haunts him to this day. Kanye has stated that he blames himself for her death. After his mother’s death, Kanye was very public about the grief he experienced. He would openly fight back tears when talking about his mother. Nine years later, Kanye was diagnosed with bipolar disorder, a condition that is associated with mood swings ranging from depressive lows to manic highs.


Kanye’s most recent anti-Semitic behaviors are deeply disturbing and deserve the condemnation he is receiving. It is also the case that Kanye’s anti-Black behaviors are deeply disturbing and deserving of the same level of condemnation. Kanye’s behavior and comments have been very damaging for the Black community, in part because they have provided cover for racists and White supremacists who agree with the stupid and racist things Kanye has said (e.g., neo-Nazis saying Kanye West is the greatest since Adolf Hitler and hanging an antisemitic, pro-Kanye banner over a Los Angeles highway).

Continued below

The Self-Destruction of Kanye West

In the midst of Kanye's anti-Semitic rant, don't downplay his anti-Blackness.

www.psychologytoday.com

 

[Michie]

Kanye West Announces ‘Yeezy Porn’ Amid Reports of Adult Film Company​

Kanye West Announces 'Yeezy Porn' Amid Reports of Adult Film Company

Kanye West appeared to confirm reports that he has plans to launch an adult entertainment studio.

www.rollingstone.com

Kanye West confirms ‘Yeezy Porn’ site on the way with provocative tweet​

Kanye West confirms adult film site on the way with provocative tweet

Controversial rapper reportedly in talks to launch adult entertainment division of his Yeezy brand with Stormy Daniels’s ex-husband Mike Moz

www.independent.co.uk

Ye Deactivates X Account After Announcing Yeezy Adult Content​

Ye Deactivates X Account After Announcing Yeezy Adult Content

Ye has deleted his X account seemingly after receiving a wave of backlash for announcing a new adult content website.

www.billboard.com

 

[Michie]

KEY BACKGROUND​

West had been steeped in controversy long before the album’s release—he was widely criticized for antisemitic remarks that ultimately tanked his billionaire status in October 2022, making “Vultures 1” his first album since those controversies. He addressed the controversies on lead single “Vultures,” released in November, asking: “How I'm anti-Semitic?” before describing having sex with a Jewish woman. In February, West was threatened with legal action by Ozzy Osbourne and sued in Los Angeles federal court by the estate of Donna Summer for allegedly sampling their music without permission. Osbourne said West had sampled a 1983 live performance of “Iron Man” in his song “Carnival” after he had denied permission, calling West an antisemite. West’s song “Good (Don’t Die)” was pulled from Spotify after Summer’s estate accused him of sampling her 1977 track, “I Feel Love,” despite rejecting his request. Despite West’s controversies, the album and single “Carnival” topped the Billboard charts, marking West’s first No. 1 hit in over a decade.

Continued below.

Kanye West Says ‘Vultures 2’ Drops Next Week—But Will He Stick To It After Series Of Messy Rollouts?

The collaborative project with Ty Dolla $ign will reportedly feature a posthumous verse from Takeoff, who was a member of the rap group Migos.

www.forbes.com

 

[Pommer]

KEY BACKGROUND​

West had been steeped in controversy long before the album’s release—he was widely criticized for antisemitic remarks that ultimately tanked his billionaire status in October 2022, making “Vultures 1” his first album since those controversies. He addressed the controversies on lead single “Vultures,” released in November, asking: “How I'm anti-Semitic?” before describing having sex with a Jewish woman. In February, West was threatened with legal action by Ozzy Osbourne and sued in Los Angeles federal court by the estate of Donna Summer for allegedly sampling their music without permission. Osbourne said West had sampled a 1983 live performance of “Iron Man” in his song “Carnival” after he had denied permission, calling West an antisemite. West’s song “Good (Don’t Die)” was pulled from Spotify after Summer’s estate accused him of sampling her 1977 track, “I Feel Love,” despite rejecting his request. Despite West’s controversies, the album and single “Carnival” topped the Billboard charts, marking West’s first No. 1 hit in over a decade.

Continued below.

Kanye West Says ‘Vultures 2’ Drops Next Week—But Will He Stick To It After Series Of Messy Rollouts?

The collaborative project with Ty Dolla $ign will reportedly feature a posthumous verse from Takeoff, who was a member of the rap group Migos.

www.forbes.com

This is where I best see the “Dunning-Kruger effect”.
There are plenty of people who are extraordinarily talented in a field (or several fields); some of these folk make movies, or write and perform music, (such as ”Ye” here); yet their brilliance in the field where they make oodles of money, in no way should infer that they will be any better at “public-relations” or “personal moral standards” than any other poor schlub out here.

Ye seems to do his “learning” out in public; this is probably unintended, but could serve to drive sales via the “there’s no such thing as ‘bad publicity’”, technique. Making him even richer.
Rinse
Repeat.

 

[Michie]

This is where I best see the “Dunning-Kruger effect”.
There are plenty of people who are extraordinarily talented in a field (or several fields); some of these folk make movies, or write and perform music, (such as ”Ye” here); yet their brilliance in the field where they make oodles of money, in no way should infer that they will be any better at “public-relations” or “personal moral standards” than any other poor schlub out here.

Ye seems to do his “learning” out in public; this is probably unintended, but could serve to drive sales via the “there’s no such thing as ‘bad publicity’”, technique. Making him even richer.
Rinse
Repeat.

I think the man needs a mental health break. And praying he gets one.