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Is Dry Sex a Sin? Can Christians Dry Hump?

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my boyfriend and i, who both are very physical people so we show how we feel physically both are christians.
we have kissed and i was just wondering is rubbing agaisnt each other (with clothes on) too far?? i am so confuzed and i dont know if because it is not sex it is alright or if it is not alright. i need to know because if it is wrong i want to repent.
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if the kind of rubbing you are refering to could be called "dry humping" or simulating sex with cloths on...I definatly say yes.

If by rubbing you mean like..a back rub...well...thats a be careful zone. As in cloths on and in place.

It's really something you need to work out between the two of you. A frank talk about what makes you want to go a step further, what makes you fantasize about the other person in an inappropriate manner.
 
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Each new step of intimacy opens the way for the next one to be crossed. When two people are drawn to each other it is perfectly normal to experience an increasing desire for physical and emotional intimacy. That's how its meant to work. We just need to work out where we want to place ourselves on that continuum. That can vary as will the replies on this thread. You both will set your own boundaries according to your own values. Just recognise how the process of attraction works and the further along the line you go teh harder it can be to stop somewhere within your moral limits.

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I can see how this kind of activity is going to go further and further. You probably have a ways to go before marriage, so you probably want to stop this activity before it goes further.
I whole-heartedly agree! Toeing the line is never a good idea because in a moment of weakness you might cross it...
 
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Stop! It's a mistake that I've made and we're trying to patch it up now. It's not worth the guilt that comes from doing this, and whatever it leads into next. *sigh* I don't want to judge you here, I'm just letting you know that this is my area of weakness and you can't imagine that you'd go any further, but you do. Who knows where it'll end? It's up to you to stop now.

I totally don't want to sound harsh. Because I need to take my own advice as it is ;)
 
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my boyfriend and i, who both are very physical people so we show how we feel physically both are christians.
we have kissed and i was just wondering is rubbing agaisnt each other (with clothes on) too far?? i am so confuzed and i dont know if because it is not sex it is alright or if it is not alright. i need to know because if it is wrong i want to repent.
please reply soon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Depends. Is it a sin? Not necessarily. Is it something that could lead up to sin? Very possibly. Only you know what would be enough to lead you into slipping down into the premarital sex category, but it's always good to err further on the side of caution than risk.
 
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heh, yea, there's that "rule" of "If you wouldn't do it in front of your parents, then it's too far". but I've never liked that rule.

I think I'd prefer the "If I would be embarresed to talk to my parents about what I've done...then I've gone to far". Namely because, if I'm embarrased by it, that means on some level I know I have gone to far.
 
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Yeah I would call it too far. Think 20 years into the future. You're married and have two children. Your oldest has her first boyfriend. You walk into her bedroom one day to find her doing that with him. Would you be upset? If your answer is yes, then it's definately too far.
 
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ow far can you go without a marriage licence? It would be really nice if the Bible said "with thy lips together thou may kiss, but with thy lips parted thou shalt not kiss" or "above the waist you shall touch freely, but below the waist you shall not touch." Because such detailed limits are not given some will suggest that God does not care if we slip a hand under a blouse, up a skirt, or into a pair of pants. It is increasingly common for Christians to believe, and even teach others, that as long as the penis does not enter the vagina, it's "not sex." Why didn't God spell it out for us in the Bible? Actually we think He did, but because we are products of the society we live in we don't see it. Up until very recently it was commonly accepted that stimulating the breasts or genitals directly or indirectly WAS SEX. In the days before reliable birth control many prostitutes made a living doing everything but intercourse. So when Paul says "Or do you not know that he who is joined to a harlot is one body with her?" (1 Co 16a NKJV) those who read it would not have thought he was referring only to intercourse, but to any and all of the ways a prostitute of the day would pleasure a man. Even married couples might regularly resort to sex without intercourse in order to not conceive. So perhaps our failure to understand that things like oral sex and petting to [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] are unacceptable outside of marriage is our fault, not God's.

We will begin by making a few of the Biblical cases against premarital sex and "playing around." Then will look at some scientific and experience based reasons why it's a very bad plan to push sexual boundaries.


The Word says ...

In the seventh chapter of first Corinthians, Paul says a lot about sex and marriage. He begins by saying it's good for a man to "not touch" a woman. Paul knew those who were unmarried could better server the Lord, and wanted those who could abstain to not marry. But look at the word Paul used - "touch". The same Greek word is used repeatedly when Jesus touched people to heal them, and it means "to fasten one's self to, adhere to, cling to". The word is intimate, but not inherently sexual. It sure seems that Paul was concerned about more than just sexual intercourse - he seems to be excluding all intimate contact between unmarried men and women.
In verse 2 Paul says that we should marry in order to avoid "fornication." The Greek word there is "Porneia," and it means far more than the English word fornication. The best translation would be "immoral sexuality" and this would include adultery, premarital sex, homosexuality, and even bestiality. Paul's solution for dealing with sexual desires was to get married and have sex (a LOT of sex actually). Given his desire to see folks not marry, this is significant. If some sort of "foreplay to [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]" could deal with a persons sexual needs and leave them unmarried, don't you think Paul would have advocated it? But in addition to the fact that this behavior is wrong, it leads to, rather than prevents, marriage.

Finally, let's jump down to verse 36-38, where Paul talks about a man and "his virgin." Some have said these verses are about a man's virgin daughter, others say it's about a man who is betrothed to a virgin, but not yet married. Verse 38 can be read either way (compare the NASB and the RSV for example). Consider that in verse 36 we have a question about the man "behaving improperly" towards the virgin. If we dig into the Greek roots for the word translated as "behaving improperly" we see it can mean "indecent." We also read about "need" in verse 36, and the man's self control in verse 37. All of these show that the issue is the man's self control over his own sexuality, and this would mean the verses are about a man who has chosen a wife, but has not yet married. Again, the only solution offered for sexual needs is marriage. Clearly Paul did not think it was acceptable to have sex, any kind of sex, just because a couple was engaged.


Logic says ...

Still, how do we draw a Godly line about what we can and can not do with a man or woman to whom we are not married? Read that question again - "to whom we are not married." If a married man, rubbed on the crotch of a woman's jeans other than his wife, would it be sin? Is it likely the wife would say "It's okay, it's not sex"? And if the wife performed oral sex on some man other than her husband, would he be wrong to be upset because "it's not sex?" Clearly these examples are cases of sexual sin! If it's sexual sin for a married person to do these things with another, then how can it not be sexual, or not be sin, for two single people to do these things? Why would it be alright to do these things with anyone we feel close to while we are single, but not after we marry?


Science says ...
The idea that necking, petting, and oral sex are not "really sex" can also be dispelled by looking at the biology of sex. Sexual interaction has profound effects on our bodies and minds. Sexual arousal causes our bodies to increase production of pheromones (think air borne hormones) from the upper lip, the underarms, and the genitals in both men and women, and the navel and aureole (the area around the nipple) in women. These pheromones are so powerful that 20 minutes of exposure to a man's pheromones can alter a woman's menstrual cycle. Exposure to sexual pheromones effects how we think and feel about the person we are with, causing us to bond with them. In marriage this sex induced bonding is a good thing, but outside of marriage it can be a very bad thing. Sex, including sexual contact far short of intercourse, clouds our ability to make intelligent, rational decisions about the person we are being sexual with. Sexual contact causes us to feel closer to the person we are sexual with, and this can and does result in marriages that are doomed to fail. It is better and wiser to make life long decisions about marriage without sex making it impossible to see and think clearly.


Real live experience says ...

Setting all of that above aside for a moment, the best reason we give for a single person to say away from anything even remotely sexual is because we have seen the results of sexual contact before marriage.

Our sexuality is like a white board - but we write on it with permanent markers. All of the sexual messages we get from our culture make marks on that white board, but because of how God created us the things we experience while highly aroused make larger marks, and the things we experience along with [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] make the very largest of marks. Again, this is a good thing in marriage - what we do with our spouse gets written down and becomes a part of what we want, expect, and enjoy. But what if we have sexual contact with several individuals before we marry? The first person we are with leaves a lot of marks on us, and we want and expect sex to be however it was with them. Each new partner leaves more marks on us. Soon our white board is unreadable, and our sexual expectations and desires are a mess.
What if the person you marry can't do that "special thing" a former partner did? What if your spouse can't do something you like as well as the last person you were sexual with? What if you have come to enjoy and be aroused by the way a certain partner's body part looked or felt, and your spouse does not look or feel this way? What if the man or woman you marry finds something you have come to enjoy and want to be gross? Or what if they "need" something that you don't like because of a bad experience with another person?
What if you wait until you are sure you are with the one you are going to marry? This avoids some of the problems, but not all of them. Unmarried couples don't have the same regular contact and opportunities that married couples have, and this means their sex life will not be the same as it will be when the do marry. There is the problem of habituation - becoming so used to doing something a certain way that you can't do it any other way. As an extreme example, one couple we've talked with engaged in "dry humping" to mutual [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] before marriage. When they did marry they found very little enjoyment in being naked together, and both of them found it difficult to be aroused or [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] during intercourse. The had become so used to the only kind of sex they knew that intercourse was difficult and not enjoyable.
But the dangers of sexual contact before marriage with the one we marry go far beyond setting up patterns. Talk to 100 women who "messed around" before marriage a year after the wedding and at least 95% will say they wish they had not done it. In theory these women should be able to repent and go on, but in practice it usually results in guilt, resentment, and sexual difficulties. Couples married for many years often trace long term sexual problems to the fact that they did not wait till after the wedding to become sexual.


Women who felt coerced say ...

We think a major part of this is that most women really don't want to be sexual before they marry. Sure, their bodies are pushing them for it, and they may get some pleasure out of it (although many do not), but most of them know deep down inside that it's just not right. So why are so many "good Christian girls" so easily persuaded to go at least "part way?" Because they don't think they have a choice. These young women have learned that many of their brothers in Christ will not continue to date a girl who does not "put out." There are exceptions, but the sad reality is that many men who say they follow Jesus want and expect to be taken to climax by a woman they are "serious" about. The perception is that a woman has very little chance of getting married is she does not give out some free samples. If the choice is "let him feel me up" or "stay home every Friday and Saturday night," you can see why a young lady might allow something she does not want to do. If the choice is "take care of him with my hand" or "still be single at thirty" you can see why a woman might do something she does not want to do.
There is a second problem that goes hand in hand with this. Because she is doing something she does not want to do, the young lady is likely to feel she cannot say no to anything. So she not only does what she feels is wrong as a single woman, she also does things she finds distasteful - things she would not want to do even if she were married. This creates a great deal of resentment in the woman, and this resentment will be vented on her husband after she marries. And once she is married, the woman may decide to stop doing things she just does not like. This leads to resentment in the husband, who feels like he has been the victim of "bait and switch."


Don't believe what the world says ...

We know it's difficult for teens and young adults to not be sexual. Most will have to deal with a full blown adult sex drive for more than a decade before they marry. It seems that "everyone is doing it" and it seems that if you don't do it now you will miss the best sex of your life. Let's dispel the myth that sex is for the young. We talk to others our age, 40-something, who agree that it is still getting better every year. We have also talked to a 70-something semi-retired pastor who says he and his wife are still going strong ... almost nightly! Please don't think you have to start having sex now because the best sexual years of your life are passing you by - it just is not so! You have decades of sexual pleasure ahead of you IF you don't mess it up by jumping the gun.


Paul (not that one) says ...

One thing that I, Paul, have leaned to do when seeking information from anyone from a doctor to a mechanic, is to ask the person I'm talking to what they would do if they were in my position. So in closing let me to tell you what my understanding and experience would have me do if I were single. I would not "French kiss" a woman until she was my wife. I'm not saying it's sinful to French kiss outside of marriage, but I know that the way I was created means this activity results in strong sexual arousal, a great deal of temptation, and a bonding that is unwise outside of marriage. The first time I kissed a woman on the lips would be when she said "yes" to my proposal of marriage. I would make a point of never being alone enough to have sex with any woman I liked. Once I knew for sure that God wanted me to marry a woman, there would be a very short engagement.

We see it this way: you have two sex lives, the one before you marry and the one after you marry. Everything you do in your premarital sex life will have an impact on your married sex life - and the impact is never positive. It's a gamble, and the odds are stacked against you. Sex in marriage can be a wonderful thing, don't destroy it before you even get to try it. We have never had a couple tell us they are sorry they waited, and have had some tell us how glad they are to have waited. On the other hand we have heard over and over from couples who wish they had been completely inexperienced on their wedding night. What sex play before marriage can get you is nothing compared to what it can cost you. It's like having a million dollar trust fund you can't touch until you marry - and agreeing to trade it all for a thousand dollars right now.


Sincerely,

Paul & Lori (Mr & Mrs)
 
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for a christian couple it isnt right to engage in the type of sexual activity which is designed to arouse desire. This includes oral sex, rubbing on each other,
especially when associated with petting or pressing the pelvic areas together and any other sexual activity. In persons with normal sexual responses, this type of kissing is the kind of foreplay which can lead to sexual intercourse.
Now, here is the reason single persons should never engage in rubbing on each other and any other sexual activity. Since these activities are means of foreplay,
normal persons of a wide range of ages will become ready for sexual intercourse by doing these things for several minutes.
Since the Bible forbids unmarried persons to have intercourse, getting the body ready for it without having it is not only tempting urself to go even further but putting ur self in the position for u and him to feel sexual feelings in doing that and lust.
The key is that these actions are subsumed under the broader heading of "sexual immorality." I would submit that premarital kissing,
because of its very nature, also falls into this category
some of the verses in the bible that show it isnt right to engage in these activities before marriage are as follows:
Walk in the Spirit and you shall not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.(Galatians 5:16)
Treat younger women as sisters, with absolute purity.(1 Timothy 5:2)
The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God. Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires.
Col 3:5-10. Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual
immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry
So let us put aside the deeds of darkness and put on the armor of light.
Let us behave decently, as in the daytime, not in orgies and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and debauchery, not in dissension and jealousy (Romans 13:12-13).
I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat (1 Corinthians 5:11).
Flee from sexual immorality (1 Corinthians 6:18).
So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature .... The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery (Galatians 5:16,19).
But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people. Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place (Ephesians 5:3-4).
Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry.
Because of these, the wrath of God is coming (Colossians 3:5-6).
For you have spent enough time in the past doing what pagans choose to do—living in debauchery, lust, drunkenness, orgies, carousing and detestable idolatry (1 Peter 4:3)
In 1 Corinthians 6:18 Paul writes, "Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man (person) commits are outside his body, but he (or she) who sins sexually sins against his own body."
Sexual immorality here is the Greek word porneia. Porneia is every kind of sexual activity outside of marriage. So the Bible tells us to flee from every kind of sexual activity.

The Bible also tells us to treat one another as brothers and sisters with absolute purity in 1 Timothy 5:2. Ephesians 5:3 tells us to live together as family members
and that there should not be even a hint of sexual immorality or of any kind of impurity among us, even our speech should be righteously without obscenity or coarse joking.
We should treat each other like brothers and sisters.
You can not play word games with God like saying I did not have sex technically with this person so I have not disobeyed the Bible's command to abstain from sex before marriage. The command is not to engage in sexual activity before marriage which
includes what we narrowly define as sexual intercourse and also any sexual touching.
The Scriptures command us to keep a heart that is clean and free from sin.
(Psalm 51:17) Whoever looks on a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her already in his heart. (Matthew 5:28)
How much more, then, has someone committed adultery who does not just confine himself to looking, but also touches in an inescapably sexual way?
 
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I can see how this kind of activity is going to go further and further. You probably have a ways to go before marriage, so you probably want to stop this activity before it goes further.
I agree with Seattle Rain
 
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