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Is divorce and remarriage still a sin?

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JGG

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Is divorce and/or divorce and remarriage (for the sake of discussion let's say no-fault) really a sin? I had always been assured that it was, but now I have encountered someone who seems to be saying otherwise. He claims that with the crucification of Jesus, divorce is no longer a sin in in the age of grace, thus remarriage is not adulterous.

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Ask your friend for the scriptures to back up his doctrine.

According to Jesus, there is only one situation where you may divorce and remarry and that is if your spouse breaks the marriage covenant by commiting adultry.

If a person is in an abusive relationship one can also divorce, but then not remarry.
 
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Ask your friend for the scriptures to back up his doctrine.

According to Jesus, there is only one situation where you may divorce and remarry and that is if your spouse breaks the marriage covenant by commiting adultry.

If a person is in an abusive relationship one can also divorce, but then not remarry.

Yeah, that was what I had learned, what everyone has told me, and how I interpreted it myself. I brought up Luke 16:18, but I was told that it was just an object lesson for the Pharisees. I don't quite understand how one would assume that, but...

On his part, there was no scripture on that. When I requested it my "friend" declared that he was sick of my "twisting of scripture" and departed.

Anyone disagree with that assessment, or want to add, or correct something?
 
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I agree with Berachah, but would like to note that this isn't heaven just yet. No one is perfect here, so no one is free of sin.
But JGG that's just it, liberal christianity isn't supported by Scripture, they make claims that twist scriptures, or that aren't supported by scripture. Or they claim the bible is falsified.
 
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Why does divorce and remarriage seem to be the one unforgivable sin? If a young person makes a mistake and gets married to soon, then gets a divorce they are not allowed to fall in love again? An abused spouse who gets out of the marriage to save themself is doomed to a life void of a loving relationship and family of their own?

Makes things seem pretty bleak to me.

And what of the person who has never been married, but finds their perfect mate in a divorced person? Is that person fated to remain unmarried or settle for someone they do not love as much?

Personally, I think the strong language used about divorce in the Bible was more to keep men from jumping from marriage to marriage like a kid on a merry-go-round than banning remarriage altogether.
 
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I agree with Berachah, but would like to note that this isn't heaven just yet. No one is perfect here, so no one is free of sin.
But JGG that's just it, liberal christianity isn't supported by Scripture, they make claims that twist scriptures, or that aren't supported by scripture. Or they claim the bible is falsified.

Here's the thing: This guy made it very well known he is not a liberal Christian, which is why I ask, and went on and on about the twisting of scripture.
 
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Is divorce and/or divorce and remarriage (for the sake of discussion let's say no-fault) really a sin? I had always been assured that it was, but now I have encountered someone who seems to be saying otherwise. He claims that with the crucification of Jesus, divorce is no longer a sin in in the age of grace, thus remarriage is not adulterous.

What's the deal?

It's a lie...unless it is because the spouse has committed adultery, even the act of divorce is sin. People nowadays just use "grace" as their way of covering their sin without repentance...again, it's a lie and does not hold and truth when compared with scripture. It's not an unforgivable sin (there is only one of those), but without repentance (thus recognition) of the sin then there is no forgiveness for it.
 
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What then do we do with this?

"For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
1Cr 7:15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such [cases]: but God hath called us to peace."

Seems a lot are still confusing legalism with Christianity. Mega-doses of Galatians highly recommended!

Celticflower has it right, Jesus was addressing a society that had used the legal definition of marriage and divorce to completely remove G-d's Spirit on the matter. And clearly we still have that problem today!

Christianity is not about some over-simplified formula for ruining everyone else's life; it's putting Jesus on the throne of our OWN life, so He runs it.
 
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I think what the person was trying to say is that Jesus was asked about one of the laws, and Jesus gave back the law, that unless they were not found to be a virgin on the wedding night, they could not divorce. I believe this to be the true translation because he uses fornication, which is not a catch all for anything sexually immoral, if you look in the scriptures, it means more something like "whoredom" or sex before marriage. He does not say the specific word for adultery. He was not making a new command, he was reiterating their law.
 
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and if that's the case, does that make divorce ok because we don't live under the old testament laws? I suggest that it is not divorce that is the thing that we do wrong, I believe that divorce is only a bad consequence of our sins, I believe it is the sins that caused the divorce that will be counted against us in the end.
 
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What then do we do with this?

"For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
1Cr 7:15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such [cases]: but God hath called us to peace."

Seems a lot are still confusing legalism with Christianity. Mega-doses of Galatians highly recommended!

Celticflower has it right, Jesus was addressing a society that had used the legal definition of marriage and divorce to completely remove G-d's Spirit on the matter. And clearly we still have that problem today!

Christianity is not about some over-simplified formula for ruining everyone else's life; it's putting Jesus on the throne of our OWN life, so He runs it.

if someone commits adultery they are not in Christ anyway...thus an unbeliever and the divorce is justified. Why would Christian marry an unbeliever to begin with? That's just asking for trouble.
 
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and if that's the case, does that make divorce ok because we don't live under the old testament laws? I suggest that it is not divorce that is the thing that we do wrong, I believe that divorce is only a bad consequence of our sins, I believe it is the sins that caused the divorce that will be counted against us in the end.

No, because Jesus went to Genesis 2:24, which is pre-Mosaic law. This applies equally to Jew and Gentile. The reason we Christians don't live according to Mosaic Law is that it was never given to Gentiles, and most of us are Gentiles. Furthermore, Christ is the once-and-for-all sacrifice for our sins, so neither Gentile believers nor Jewish believers are to make sacrifices anymore - but he did not come to abolish the law. Jewish believers are to uphold their law by faith (Romans 3:31).

So first he went back to the Genesis account, which is absolutely universal. Then he said, "What God has joined together, let man not separate." So he was not only reinforcing this law which had always existed, but he put his own authority on it.
 
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It's a lie...unless it is because the spouse has committed adultery, even the act of divorce is sin. People nowadays just use "grace" as their way of covering their sin without repentance...again, it's a lie and does not hold and truth when compared with scripture. It's not an unforgivable sin (there is only one of those), but without repentance (thus recognition) of the sin then there is no forgiveness for it.

Sorry, but what sin is considered unforgiveable?

I've never heard of such a thing, including murder.
 
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Everything is permissible"—but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible"—but not everything is constructive

see my understanding is if both parties were not in Christ at the time of their marriage, then in Gods eyes there wasn't a marriage.....:amen:
 
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JGG asked:

Is divorce and remarriage still a sin?

Yes. A husband is never to divorce his wife for any reason (1 Corinthians 7:11b), just as a wife is never to divorce her husband for any reason (1 Corinthians 7:10). But if a wife does divorce her husband (such as to escape domestic violence), she must remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband (1 Corinthians 7:11). A Christian must always completely forgive everyone who has wronged him or her in any way (Mark 11:25), no matter how great the wrong and no matter how many times a wrong has been committed (Matthew 18:21-35). For if a Christian refuses to forgive anyone for anything, God will refuse to forgive that Christian for his or her own sins (Mark 11:26).

The fornication exception in Matthew 19:9 permits a husband to divorce his wife for fornication and marry another woman without his committing adultery. This may apply only to cases where a husband discovers that his newlywed wife isn't a virgin (cf. Deuteronomy 22:14, Matthew 1:19). There's no such fornication exception granted to a wife. If a wife divorces her husband for any reason and marries another man she is committing adultery (Mark 10:12). Also, there's no fornication exception granted to a man who marries a divorced woman. If a man marries a woman divorced for any reason he is committing adultery (Luke 16:18b).

God never said that marriage would be easy, and he has set such strict New Covenant (New Testament) rules regarding divorce and remarriage (Matthew 19:9) that the apostles said that it's better not to get married at all (Matthew 19:10). Jesus answered them by saying that whoever can accept not getting married and remaining celibate should accept it (Matthew 19:11-12). Paul the apostle said the same thing, that unmarried celibacy is the best thing for a Christian if he or she can handle it (1 Corinthians 7:1,7,8,32-35). But if someone who hasn't been married can't contain himself or herself sexually, he or she should get married in order to avoid fornication (1 Corinthians 7:2,9), in the sense of unmarried sex.

The only unpardonable sin is blaspheming the Holy Spirit, such as by ascribing a work of the Holy Spirit to the devil (Mark 3:22-30). Any other sin can be forgiven if it isn't continued in and is confessed to God (1 John 1:9). Just as if Christians find themselves living in the sin of an adulterous affair, so if they find themselves living in the sin of second-marriage adultery (Mark 10:12, Matthew 19:9), they can't continue in that sin (or any other sin) and expect God's grace to forgive them (Hebrews 10:26-29, Galatians 5:19-21, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11). They must break off with the second spouse, even if they've had children with the second spouse, just as married people must break off an adulterous affair, even if they've had children as a result of that affair.

After breaking off an adulterous second marriage, a wife doesn't have to go back to her first husband: she can remain unmarried if she can't be reconciled to her first husband (1 Corinthians 7:11). But she can't marry someone else, even if, for example, marrying someone else would help her and her children to escape poverty. For just as escaping poverty wouldn't justify the wife continuing in the sin of an adulterous affair with a man who financially supports her and her children (or wouldn't justify the sin of her becoming and remaining a well-paid prostitute), so escaping poverty wouldn't justify the sin of her entering into another case of second-marriage adultery with a man who financially supports her and her children.

Jesus' New Covenant (New Testament) teaching that divorce and remarriage is adultery abrogated the Old Mosaic Covenant teaching which allowed divorce and remarriage (Matthew 19:7-9, Matthew 5:31-32). Jesus' New Covenant (New Testament) commandments far exceed in righteousness the Old Mosaic Covenant commandments (Matthew 5:20-48), which have been abolished (Ephesians 2:15, Hebrews 7:18-19, Colossians 2:14).

Matthew 5:17-18 is referring to Jesus coming the first time to fulfill all of the Old Testament prophecies regarding the Messiah's first coming (Luke 24:44-46). Jesus taught that Christians have to obey his New Covenant (New Testament) commandments, such as those he gave in the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5:19-7:29) and in the writings of Paul the apostle (1 Corinthians 14:37, 1 Thessalonians 4:2).

Romans 3:31 means that Christians establish the Mosaic law not in its letter, but in its spirit (Romans 7:6), by loving others (Romans 13:8-10, Galatians 5:14). Part of loving others is warning them if they are living in sin (Revelation 3:19, 1 Corinthians 5:1-13 & 2 Corinthians 2:6-8, 2 Thessalonians 3:15, Hebrews 3:13, James 5:19-20). The worst thing a Christian can do is to coddle people who are living in sin, instead of sharing with them the hard truths of God's word (2 Timothy 4:2-4, cf. Jeremiah 23:14,22,29). Telling the truth to people can sometimes hurt them, but it's better than deceiving them with something that makes them feel good (Proverbs 27:6, Proverbs 28:23). The reason that second-marriage adultery (or any other sin) is so common in the church today is because so much of the church has stopped preaching and believing the hard truths of God's word (2 Timothy 4:2-4, cf. Jeremiah 23:14,22,29).

Regarding 1 Corinthians 7:15, it simply means that a believing spouse shouldn't fight an unbelieving spouse if the unbelieving spouse is dead set on divorcing the believing spouse. 1 Corinthians 7:15 doesn't mean that the believing spouse, after being divorced, can then marry someone else.
 
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see my understanding is if both parties were not in Christ at the time of their marriage, then in Gods eyes there wasn't a marriage.....:amen:
No, that's not true. That would mean that no non-Christian is married. Which isn't right, we know that Jews marry from the Bible, and most of them today are not in Christ.
 
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Is divorce and/or divorce and remarriage (for the sake of discussion let's say no-fault) really a sin? I had always been assured that it was, but now I have encountered someone who seems to be saying otherwise. He claims that with the crucification of Jesus, divorce is no longer a sin in in the age of grace, thus remarriage is not adulterous.

What's the deal?

The Key to understanding what Jesus says about divorce is in the question the Pharisees (The hypocritical religious leaders of the day) asks:

This question is found in Mt. 19:

3Some Pharisees came to Jesus, testing Him and asking, "(D)Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any reason at all?"

They asked this because many in that day, used marriage as away to legally/lawfully sleep around with many different women. Or this was a way to collect dowries or gain status, and when they got board with the woman or found something better all the man had to do, was issue a certificate of divorce, and move on. Meanwhile the divorced woman was considered tainted goods, and had a hard time remarrying, a decent man. This was a common and the "church" turned a blind eye because of potential blow back from people on either side of this issue.. the Pharisees were trying to set Jesus up to be stoned, or at the minimum, be run out of town.

This was Jesus response:
4And He answered and said, "Have you not read (E)that He who created them from the beginning MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE,
5and said, '(F)FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND (G)THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH'?
6"So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate."
7They said to Him, "(H)Why then did Moses command to GIVE HER A CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE AND SEND her AWAY?"
8He said to them, "Because of your hardness of heart Moses permitted you to divorce your wives; but from the beginning it has not been this way. 9"And I say to you, (I)whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."

There were two words used here in verse 9 that are found in the Greek that describes what most churches take to mean: sex out side of a marriage.

But in reality what Jesus is saying in Verse 9 is:
Anyone who divorces his wife except for Immorality, "molusmos" (or rather someone unfaithful to the bonds or vows of marriage,) and marries another woman, that man commits "moicheuo" adultery/sexual immorality.

If your wife committed adultery this would break the vows of marriage (To love honor and obey etc, etc..) But breaking the vows of marriage is not limited to adulterous or sexually immoral relationships. "Molusmos" can be used describe one breaking a sacred vow or bond. It's meaning is not tied strictly to immoral sex, unlike the other word Jesus used. So Molusmos is to be considered an immoral act because as Jesus just said "what God unites let not man separate."
Intentionally breaking the wedding vows is the separation God the Son speaks of. Proximity, or where one sleeps, does not a marriage make. Like all things God tested, it is not what it looks like on the outside that counts, so much as what is going on in the heart.

At the same time for those of us who think sex outside of the marriage relationship is the only way to commit an immoral act in a marriage, then there is freedom enough in the grace of God, to allow us to bind ourselves to that Idea. For what we bind on earth will be bound in Heaven, and what we loose on earth will in turn be loosed in heaven.

So to answer your question directly, Divorce can be a sin, and it can be permissible, it all depends on your heart, your reasons, and your level of faith/understanding.
 
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But in reality what Jesus is saying in Verse 9 is:
Anyone who divorces his wife except for Immorality, "molusmos" (or rather someone unfaithful to the bonds or vows of marriage,) and marries another woman, that man commits "moicheuo" adultery/sexual immorality.

can I ask for your source for the definition of "molusmos" :)
 
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