Hebrews 10:26

[ABlessedAnomaly]

In the SBG thread this verse was used to support a "lost salvation" model. Let's take a closer look.

Hebrews 10:26
For if we deliberately keep on sinning after receiving the knowledge of the truth, no further sacrifice for sins is left for us,
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The latter half of Hebrews 10 is about having a lasting faith and drawing closer to God. This verse, in the middle of Paul's talk, has been used to speak to someone losing and/or walking away from the faith.

Look at the verse. Do we see salvation here? We see the sacrifice that affords us the opportunity of salvation. But the sacrifice is not the salvation or Universalism is true: all would be saved simple by the sacrifice. This is not the case.

Let me offer this. Paul speaks of "receiving the knowledge of the truth." A lost sinner walks into church, sits quietly in the pews and listens to the Gospel message of Jesus dying for their sins. As part of the message let's add that he heard that scripture teaches that fornication is a sin, along with a clear explanation of what fornication is. After the service he gets up, ignores the altar call given and walks out of church and returns to a life of sin, including his promiscuous life of fornication.

Has he "received the knowledge of the truth?" Has he "deliberately [kept] on sinning" after receiving? If the sacrifice of the cross was not enough to turn him from sin, then what further sacrifice must Christ make to redeem him?

Next verse:

Hebrews 10:27but only a certain fearful expectation of judgment and a fury of fire that will consume God's enemies .
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What is the result of the deliberate ignorance of verse 26? Simply, as verse 27 tells us, an expectation. A certain fearful expectation. An expectation of judgment. Later in this biblical text it tells us that the judgment is God's vengeance (against sin).

Verse 26 is NOT a verse that says once you get saved, if you give it up then you are toast. Not at all. God welcomes back the Prodigal son because the son never ceased being a son, a part of the family.

 

[Truthfrees]

In the SBG thread this verse was used to support a "lost salvation" model. Let's take a closer look.

Hebrews 10:26
For if we deliberately keep on sinning after receiving the knowledge of the truth, no further sacrifice for sins is left for us,
​

The latter half of Hebrews 10 is about having a lasting faith and drawing closer to God. This verse, in the middle of Paul's talk, has been used to speak to someone losing and/or walking away from the faith.

Look at the verse. Do we see salvation here? We see the sacrifice that affords us the opportunity of salvation. But the sacrifice is not the salvation or Universalism is true: all would be saved simple by the sacrifice. This is not the case.

Let me offer this. Paul speaks of "receiving the knowledge of the truth." A lost sinner walks into church, sits quietly in the pews and listens to the Gospel message of Jesus dying for their sins. As part of the message let's add that he heard that scripture teaches that fornication is a sin, along with a clear explanation of what fornication is. After the service he gets up, ignores the altar call given and walks out of church and returns to a life of sin, including his promiscuous life of fornication.

Has he "received the knowledge of the truth?" Has he "deliberately [kept] on sinning" after receiving? If the sacrifice of the cross was not enough to turn him from sin, then what further sacrifice must Christ make to redeem him?

Next verse:

Hebrews 10:27but only a certain fearful expectation of judgment and a fury of fire that will consume God's enemies .
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What is the result of the deliberate ignorance of verse 26? Simply, as verse 27 tells us, an expectation. A certain fearful expectation. An expectation of judgment. Later in this biblical text it tells us that the judgment is God's vengeance (against sin).

Verse 26 is NOT a verse that says once you get saved, if you give it up then you are toast. Not at all. God welcomes back the Prodigal son because the son never ceased being a son, a part of the family.

The continuous "SIN" spoken of in Hebrews 10:26-27 could also be:
1. A sign of not being genuinely born again, OR it could be
2. The sin of continuing to reject the Lord Jesus Christ as Savior.

"He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 of sin, because they do not believe in Me; 10 of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more; 11 of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged." - John 16:8-11

"Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins." - John 8:24

IMO, people who are concerned about sinning their way out of salvation, don't realize what happens at salvation.

I think we need to examine the power of salvation in the new creation experience to understand why scripture says:

"Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God. 10 In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother." - 1 John 3:9-10

"If anyone sees his brother sinning a sin which does not lead to death, he will ask, and He will give him life for those who commit sin not leading to death. There is sin leading to death. I do not say that he should pray about that. 17 All unrighteousness is sin, and there is sin not leading to death. 18 We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him.
19 We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one." - 1 John 5:16-19


Even in Dad Hagin's conversation with the Lord, the Lord said sin can be forgiven. The woman was lost because she willfully chose to reject the Lord Jesus Christ AFTER knowing HIM, and walking a long time with the devil.

The Lord made it clear to Dad Hagin, this women knew what she was doing and kept listening to the devil and rejecting the Lord for a long period of time.


I don't know anyone like that, except I heard Charles Templeton did the same thing. He was a mighty preacher of the Lord who didn't agree with the Lord on something, and chose to knowingly reject the LORD and HIS salvation.

He was Billy Graham's friend, and Billy kept trying to help him change his thinking about the Lord, but Templeton turned mean and vicious, and continued on his path, speaking AGAINST the Lord, until he went insane in his rejection of the Lord.

He KNEW the Lord was the Lord, yet rejected HIM and HIS salvation.

He had at one time a close fellowship with the Lord and a strong anointing, yet was angry with the Lord (blamed the Lord) for the starving people in Africa, and told Billy that he didn't want to serve a GOD who allowed bad things to happen.

He and Billy didn't understand it's our fault for NOT taking authority over situations with the Lord's words using the LORD's name. WOF seem to be the only ones who understand this scripture truth.

 

[Truthfrees]

The Lord made it clear to Dad Hagin this woman didn't sin her way out of salvation, she chose to walk away from the LORD and HIS salvation.

The LORD JESUS CHRIST paid for all our sins, for whosoever will come to HIM.

Rejecting HIM is rejecting HIS SALVATION.

IMO, this is the epitome of foolishness.

I don't know what people think they're gaining by doing this.

"For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, and loses his own soul? 37 Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul? 38 For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words in this adulterous and sinful generation, of him the Son of Man also will be ashamed when He comes in the glory of His Father with the holy angels." - Mark 6:36-37

What do you believe scripture teaches about REJECTING salvation?

 

[Bluelion]

We see this played out in judas. It does not just speak to hearing the word but the understanding Knowing the truth and then rejecting it. It speak of a point where an unbeliever sees the truth Knows the way is God that God is Good and then rejects God knowing full well the truth.

I find in John 6 we see salvation is secure.

37 However, those the Father has given me will come to me, and I will never reject them. 38 For I have come down from heaven to do the will of God who sent me, not to do my own will. 39 And this is the will of God, that I should not lose even one of all those he has given me, but that I should raise them up at the last day. 40 For it is my Father’s will that all who see his Son and believe in him should have eternal life. I will raise them up at the last day.”

 

[ABlessedAnomaly]

IMO, people who are concerned about sinning their way out of salvation, don't realize what happens at salvation.

Haven't finished reading your post...

but the bolded part of this statement is so powerfully true. This should be meditated on by the believer until the power of the salvation change really is understood and sinks in.

Salvation is NOT just a decision, it is a POWERFUL CHANGE worked in us.

 

[ABlessedAnomaly]

We see this played out in judas. It does not just speak to hearing the word but the understanding Knowing the truth and then rejecting it. It speak of a point where an unbeliever sees the truth Knows the way is God that God is Good and then rejects God knowing full well the truth.

I find in John 6 we see salvation is secure.

37 However, those the Father has given me will come to me, and I will never reject them. 38 For I have come down from heaven to do the will of God who sent me, not to do my own will. 39 And this is the will of God, that I should not lose even one of all those he has given me, but that I should raise them up at the last day. 40 For it is my Father’s will that all who see his Son and believe in him should have eternal life. I will raise them up at the last day.”

Excellent post.

 

[Truthfrees]

We see this played out in judas. It does not just speak to hearing the word but the understanding Knowing the truth and then rejecting it. It speak of a point where an unbeliever sees the truth Knows the way is God that God is Good and then rejects God knowing full well the truth.

I find in John 6 we see salvation is secure.

37 However, those the Father has given me will come to me, and I will never reject them. 38 For I have come down from heaven to do the will of God who sent me, not to do my own will. 39 And this is the will of God, that I should not lose even one of all those he has given me, but that I should raise them up at the last day. 40 For it is my Father’s will that all who see his Son and believe in him should have eternal life. I will raise them up at the last day.”

It seems scripture says SBG is secure (you can't lose by sinning what was given as a gift to sinners).

The Lord made clear to Dad Hagin, scriptures on REJECTING the LORD JESUS, trampling HIS blood underfoot, etc, do NOT have anything to do with sinning too much.

 

[Truthfrees]

Haven't finished reading your post...

but the bolded part of this statement is so powerfully true. This should be meditated on by the believer until the power of the salvation change really is understood and sinks in.

Salvation is NOT just a decision, it is a POWERFUL CHANGE worked in us.

Absolutely.

I think Christians misunderstanding some scriptures causes them to MISS the new creation realities.

Sin and works consciousness nags their security as a believer, and tries to make null and void the amazing grace of the LORD JESUS CHRIST.

Thank the Lord for Dad Hagin's conversation with the Lord about this subject.

SBG is a powerful change worked in us FOR SURE.

 

[Bluelion]

I have a question maybe both you could help with and it pertains to this discussion some what.

My mom has claimed to be a Christian all her life, She never seem to practice what she claim to be. It was not until well this year after bit of formal bible training I realized my mom is not saved. This explains things she did to me as a kid and still does to me as an adult. I do not let her around my kid because of her behavior. every other word out of her mouth is a lie. Sense she has been in church and seen Jesus is the way is she now beyond being able to be saved?

I don't think it is possible for her to be saved because she thinks she is saved, but once argued with me that you do not have to love Jesus to be saved just believe He is who He says He is. What person would argue such a thing, who that is saved does not love Jesus?

I have the same question with my brother. The thing that gets me about him is i was saved at 6 and he has beat me a number of times sense then the last time at 28. He has hit me a lot, now Jesus said what you do to the least of my brothers you do to me, So my thought is a child of God could not beat another child of God for years, because he is in fact beating Jesus. Every time he hit me in the face he hit Jesus in the face, could a child of God do that. He also believes he is saved, but has never ask my forgiveness or even admitted he was wrong, He says I deserved it to this day.

So those are my questions.

 

[Truthfrees]

Good question.

I know people like this.

I wondered about them too

I was convinced they weren't genuinely born again.

I kept my distance from them for years because of their abusive behavior (Matthew 15:14), and kept praying for their salvation (they need to KNOW the Lord in a real and genuine way).

Now I'm in contact with them on a limited basis, sharing scripture truth with them, and see them growing for real.

They're still abusive with each other, and even with strangers, but are changing as I speak the words the Lord gives me to speak, and pray in tongues for them a lot. PLUS I have prayer help. The Lord has RECENTLY put it on others to pray for these people to be transformed by the power of the HOLY SPIRIT. Until this happened, I kept my distance because these people were too abusive and unresponsive for me to deal with on my own.

When they get abusive with me, I make myself unavailable for as long as the Lord says.

In this situation, I really have to do and say only what the Lord tells me.

I find giving them unconditional love helps them learn to love.

Giving them scripture in a spirit of love helps them see their wrong behavior.

Withdrawing from their company when they treat me the way the treat each other, teaches them to behave themselves around me if they want my help.

I also noticed they have a plethora of serious problems.

As I help them get the Lord's help for their problems, they're softening up towards the Lord, and each other.

It makes me wonder if their original problem is blaming the Lord for their problems.

I think (but don't know for sure), they're angry with the Lord, and so take out their anger on everyone, including each other.

As their problems are being solved by the grace and love of the Lord, they're drawing near to the Lord, more and more.

This drawing near is affecting change in their HEART, and showing in their behavior.

This scripture would be about them. The Lord's goodness will cause them to repent. I will play the limited part the Lord wants me to play (praying in tongues for them, helping them as the Lord leads with their problems), but the goal is for them to draw near to the Lord and get honest with HIM so HE can have an open invitation to work HIS work in their hearts.

"Do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance?" - Romans 2:4

The Lord hasn't told me fully what's going on, but I KNOW they REALLY need to know the LORD, and HIS love, grace, scripture truth, etc.

 

[Bluelion]

Good question.

I know people like this.

I wondered about them too

I was convinced they weren't genuinely born again.

I kept my distance from them for years because of their abusive behavior (Matthew 15:14), and kept praying for their salvation (they need to KNOW the Lord in a real and genuine way).

Now I'm in contact with them on a limited basis, sharing scripture truth with them, and see them growing for real.

They're still abusive with each other, and even with strangers, but are changing as I speak the words the Lord gives me to speak, and pray in tongues for them a lot. PLUS I have prayer help. The Lord has RECENTLY put it on others to pray for these people to be transformed by the power of the HOLY SPIRIT. Until this happened, I kept my distance because these people were too abusive and unresponsive for me to deal with on my own.

When they get abusive with me, I make myself unavailable for as long as the Lord says.

In this situation, I really have to do and say only what the Lord tells me.

I find giving them unconditional love helps them learn to love.

Giving them scripture in a spirit of love helps them see their wrong behavior.

Withdrawing from their company when they treat me the way the treat each other, teaches them to behave themselves around me if they want my help.

I also noticed they have a plethora of serious problems.

As I help them get the Lord's help for their problems, they're softening up towards the Lord, and each other.

It makes me wonder if their original problem is blaming the Lord for their problems.

I think (but don't know for sure), they're angry with the Lord, and so take out their anger on everyone, including each other.

As their problems are being solved by the grace and love of the Lord, they're drawing near to the Lord, more and more.

This drawing near is affecting change in their HEART, and showing in their behavior.

This scripture would be about them. The Lord's goodness will cause them to repent. I will play the limited part the Lord wants me to play (praying in tongues for them, helping them as the Lord leads with their problems), but the goal is for them to draw near to the Lord and get honest with HIM so HE can have an open invitation to work HIS work in their hearts.

"Do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance?" - Romans 2:4

The Lord hasn't told me fully what's going on, but I KNOW they REALLY need to know the LORD, and HIS love, grace, scripture truth, etc.

thanks that made sense. I have prayed for them, but every time I go to distance my self i think I am forgiven as I forgive, so forgive them but then they just repeat what they have always done. I love them but i don't like what they do.

 

[ABlessedAnomaly]

To be clear, though. Once one is saved and set to spend eternity with the Lord in Heaven, NOTHING can alter that. Not even a decision to change one's mind and reject God (for that is actually a decision that you, as owned and changed, simply cannot make).

To be clearer: no sin and no decision can unchange you.

 

[ABlessedAnomaly]

It seems scripture says SBG is secure (you can't lose by sinning what was given as a gift to sinners).

The Lord made clear to Dad Hagin, scriptures on REJECTING the LORD JESUS, trampling HIS blood underfoot, etc, do NOT have anything to do with sinning too much.

Love Kenneth E. Hagin, but he's not infallible. You keep posting this sentiment as if he is.

 

[DMW]

If we're going to keep posting all the reformed/calvinist doctrine, why not quote Brother Hagin, whose ministry the forum is named after? Or any number of the nearly unanimous voices in the Word of Faith circles who don't preach once saved always saved?

 

[Truthfrees]

Love Kenneth E. Hagin, but he's not infallible. You keep posting this sentiment as if he is.

I guess my sentiment is, the man walked very close with the Lord, was extremely anointed, and heard profound truth from the Lord, far beyond most people, including myself have heard.

For this reason I would listen carefully to anything he says the Lord says, and ask the Lord to confirm it to me.

If I thought he was wrong about something, I would double check myself as well as him with scripture.

Could he be wrong on something?

Yes, for sure, but it would be more likely I was the one who was wrong.

I believe the Lord gives us spiritual fathers to help keep us on track. (Ephesians 4:12, 1 Corinthians 11:1, 1 Peter 2:25)

When I hear or read Hagin, it's evident how anointed in clear straight forward balanced truth he is.

 

[Truthfrees]

thanks that made sense. I have prayed for them, but every time I go to distance my self i think I am forgiven as I forgive, so forgive them but then they just repeat what they have always done. I love them but i don't like what they do.

I thought "forgive" means "that's ok, no problem, I'll give you another chance".

I now see what some people do is an ongoing problem, which they have no intention of changing, and the Lord tells us to have nothing to do with them (Matthew 15:14).

IOW, love them and forgive them from a distance, because they're too dangerous to be close up (Proverbs 13:20).

"Then He said to the disciples, “It is impossible that no offenses should come, but woe to him through whom they do come! 2 It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones. 3 Take heed to yourselves. If your brother sins against you, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him. 4 And if he sins against you seven times in a day, and seven times in a day returns to you, saying, ‘I repent,’ you shall forgive him." - Luke 17:1-4

 

[Truthfrees]

To be clear, though. Once one is saved and set to spend eternity with the Lord in Heaven, NOTHING can alter that. Not even a decision to change one's mind and reject God (for that is actually a decision that you, as owned and changed, simply cannot make).

To be clearer: no sin and no decision can unchange you.

I agree to a point, but if you disconnect yourself, walk away PERMANENTLY from the Lord, it's more than a decision, it's an action AGAINST the Lord, more in line with what the devil did.

Prodigals usually return to the Lord because the consequences of sin outperforms the pleasure of sin.

But what about someone who really turns against or away from the Lord and never returns?

They have willfully disconnected themselves from the source of spiritual life.

Can the HOLY SPIRIT continue to dwell in someone who says "Leave me alone. I don't want anything to do with you ever again", and really means it?

I'm asking the Lord to make this clear. Can someone indwelt by the HOLY SPIRIT kick HIM out?

The answer to this question is what causes me to be unsure about which interpretation to give the scriptures, you, Harry, OldDogDiver, me, and others have presented.

I'm tempted to think the book of Hebrews was written to Jews who were thinking of abandoning Christ, at a point when they had "tasted" of the Lord, but not "immersed" themselves in HIM to the point of being SBG, but the Pastor's wife and Charles Templeton's story gives me pause. Unless they would be called those who prophesied, cast out demons and did miracles, yet the Lord said HE NEVER knew them (Matthew 7).

Lord, make the truth plain to us, in the name of the LORD JESUS CHRIST. Make us free from defending our ideas, and come to know your meaning on scripture. Thank you Lord for YOUR HOLY SPIRIT who leads and guides us into all truth, your word is truth. In Jesus' mighty name. AMEN.

 

[turned around]

Hi,
The text of Hebrews is the inerrant word of God to specific worshippers Jewish believers in their Messiah. During this period Roman persecution was extremely harsh. They were tempted to renounce Christ, and return to Moses (aaronic priesthood). Rome would not persecute them under the Mosaic system. But worshipping their Messiah as King, Caesar had issue with that.

The willful sin was going back to the blood of animals for atonement. This would be "trodding under the Son of God. Making Christ's precious trivial, and insulting the Spirit of grace. This was the economy of worship the Lord God had these Jewish believers under during that time period. It will be the same during the tribulation.

The church is not and, never will be under this economy of worship. We are saved by faith through grace alone. Now Jew and gentile alike can enter the body of Christ. The middle wall of partition has been removed. These verses in Hebrews, and others in 1st John, letters to 7 churches in revelation 1,2,3. Have confused, drove some lunny, because the church has not rightly divided the word.

Ephesians 1 states we are sealed by the Spirit of promise. Not to go sin it up. But so Christ can live through us. He can manifest the fruits of righteousness in and through us.

Grace to you.

 

[hhodgson]

Uncertainty is a faith-killer. IF we are uncertain about our eternal position how can we trust God? We won’t. If this SIN issue isn’t settled in our heart, we'll lie awake at night wondering whether we are good enough or have done enough to please him. And then we'll set aside GRACE by taking out a little WORKS insurance just to be safe as these Jews thought in Hebrews.

If we FAIL to understand that sin is not an issue with God anymore because of the FINISHED work of Christ... then it would be difficult to understand (Heb 10:26).

Our new created spirit cannot sin because it is the seed of God (1 John 3:9). We are dead to sin and alive in God through Christ Jesus. (Eph 2:5). (IMO) God isn’t looking at our sins that we do commit in our SOULISH and FLESHLY realm. His BLOOD is what He sees, and not our sins. He could not even look at the sins that were layed upon (Jesus) His own Son while on the cross. Remember? He turned away. Why? It was OUR sins that He bore in OUR place (willful or not). He turned His head from OUR sins being bored on His Son at calvary.

But today... He is not turning His head from us. (IMO) Our sins cannot be seen by Him because of the BLOOD of Jesus and His redemptive sacrifice for us, through His shed blood. God's not dealing with us based on the way we deal with ourselves.

As for the SINS that we do commit in the soulish and fleshly realm... we have an ADVOCATE with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous (1 John 2:1).


Let's first consider God’s definitions of sin to help understand (Heb 10:26.)

Here’s a few examples of God’s definitions of sin.

1) Unbelief in Jesus, (John16:9). Christians do not commit this sin.

2) All unrighteousness is sin, (1 John 5:17) Our faith is counted for righteousness, (Rom 4:5). So here we do not sin.

3) Sin is transgression of the law. (1 John 3:4) Christians cannot be accused of sin here as we are NOT UNDER the law of sin and death.

4) So Christians truly have ceased from sin. (1 Pet 4:1)

5) Whosoever is born of God cannot sin. (1 John 3:9)

6) Whoever abides in Him does not sin. (1 John 3:6)


So now... what do we do with this scripture?

Heb 10:26 If we deliberately (willfully) keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left.

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What is the knowledge of the truth? And how does one "sin willfully?"

(IMO), The WILLFUL sin COULD be referring to those Hebrews were in UNBELIEF to the New Testament gospel of grace through Jesus' Finished work at the cross. They were turning back to doing works of the Mosaic law for their righteousness with the animal sacrifices of bulls and goats... AFTER, having KNOWN the knowledge of the truth.

This verse is simply saying to those Jews that His sacrifice on the cross was the only one they would ever need. There is no need for Jesus to die at the cross again.

Paul was saying to those unbelieving Jews that there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, all he meant is that if you go back to the Old Covenant system of sacrifices, there is no sacrifice left for you because Jesus’ sacrifice is the only one that God accepts.

Paul gives other reasons why there is no longer a sacrifice for sins. They have "trampled underfoot the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace." In other words... Those Jews were insulting the Spirit of grace.

Heb 6:1 Paul told them... "Therefore, LEAVING the discussion of the elementary principals of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and faith toward God. (Old covenant law).

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Heb 6:9 But, beloved, WE are confident of better things concerning YOU, yes, things that accompany salvation (New covenant of grace).


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On the other hand, (Heb 10:26) speaks of the willful sin of UNBELIEF in the Finished redemptive work of Jesus Christ by returning back to the Mosaic law of sacrifices (Old covenant of law) AFTER knowing the truth of the gospel of grace. This willful sin of UNBELIEF is not forgiven.

I conclude that the "willful" sin in (Heb 10:26) is UNBELIEF...


I hope this is helpful...
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[Bluelion]

I thought "forgive" means "that's ok, no problem, I'll give you another chance".

I now see what some people do is an ongoing problem, which they have no intention of changing, and the Lord tells us to have nothing to do with them (Matthew 15:14).

IOW, love them and forgive them from a distance, because they're too dangerous to be close up (Proverbs 13:20).

"Then He said to the disciples, “It is impossible that no offenses should come, but woe to him through whom they do come! 2 It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones. 3 Take heed to yourselves. If your brother sins against you, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him. 4 And if he sins against you seven times in a day, and seven times in a day returns to you, saying, ‘I repent,’ you shall forgive him." - Luke 17:1-4

thank you for that. God showed me last night I am not required to forgive those who won't admit to doing anything wrong and think they don't need forgiveness and that it was my fault. The passage you quoted says if they repent, thing is my mom and brother blame me and have never not once repented.

Have have stop speaking to them both However my mom is calling twice a day like nothing is wrong. Last time we spoke she was abusive and hung up on me, in fact she never says by to me just hangs up on me like I am trash. I'm done