God's elect people..

[christlover500]

There are 2 ideas of God's "elect" people; all Christians whom are the body of Christ (1 Pet 2:9), and then certain Christians which God has predestined to be His disciples. The belief of the 2nd view is that, by His foreknowledge, God selects certain people to follow His calling rather than others (taken for example would be the 12 apostles, or the various prophets). This view seems to contradict scripture, that clearly states we are all united in the body of Christ, and that He does not favor one of us over the other, but rather justifies us by our faith. Could certain people be "elected" by Him for discipleship rather than others (such as future pastors), or are we all on the same page and all grouped together within Christ? It is true that people in the olden days such as prophets and apostles were specifically appointed, but can that still happen today? It is true that some people have different callings by Christ, but why don't all Christians follow His call and go out to spread His message?

 

[OnlyBelieve]

Ephesians 4:11-13

New International Version (NIV)

11 So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, 12 to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.

1 Corinthians 12

Concerning Spiritual Gifts

1 Now about the gifts of the Spirit, brothers and sisters, I do not want you to be uninformed. 2 You know that when you were pagans, somehow or other you were influenced and led astray to mute idols. 3 Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.
4 There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them. 5 There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. 6 There are different kinds of working, but in all of them and in everyone it is the same God at work. 7 Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 8 To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10 to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,[a] and to still another the interpretation of tongues.[b] 11 All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines.

You can keep reading 1 corinthians12 and it goes deeper.
We are ALL given gifts, all important, all equal, Just DIFFERENT.
Keep seeking God, praying, ask him to guide your steps. Ask for wisdom and decernment.
God Bless

 

[John S]

The Elect will consist of 144,000 first born males, who have never lied and who have never had sexual relations - 12,000 from every Tribe of the House of Israel, except for Dan, from which the antichrist will come.
These people will be chosen by God. They will not chosen by people.
They will make up the one TRUE Church of Jesus Christ.

When Jesus returns, every religious denomination, Christian or non-Christian, will be things of the past. The entire world will live in peace, with respect, dignity, and equality towards every human being - the way that Jesus has always wanted us to live - but we have always been bogged down by petty bigotries towards our fellow man - like refusing to treat the people that we don't like with respect, like homosexuals, women who get abortions, Muslims, atheists, etc - like not voting for someone because he is a Mormon - by constantly being fearful when we are supposed to let our "light" of confidence shine and not hiding it under a basket by needing guns to solve all of our problems - and on and on.

 

[His_disciple3]

In order for our beliefs or doctrines to be bibical they must line up with every word of God. If there is 9 verses that back our doctrine and only 1 that will not support the other nine, then that doctrine is not bibical. And men will say that because that one will not line up with the other 9 then there is a contradiction in scriptures, but the only contradiction or problem in scriptures is our understanding of the nine verses. your two definitions/understanding of "ELECT" is not bibical. By one verse in scriptures we can not even say that the "ELECT" are even saved, so being "ELECT don't mean what most folks preach/teach that it means. Being "ELECT" don't mean Christains as the whole body, or even people that have a certain calling on their life, for we know that many people are not in the right calling of their Life. Talents that they have been blessed with, are not used for the Glory of God, if a certain calling in their life is defined as "ELECT" then they would be using that talent for God and His Kingdom. If "ELECT" means all Christians, Seeing That Christains are saved people who have trusted God for Their salvation then. Paul the one Who taught us predestination would not have said this:

2 Timothy 2:10-13
10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:
12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
KJV
Christians or apostles, evanglist, preachers, prophets and teachers of God need to obtain salvation? NO So as Concerning The "ELECT" in this verse and I believe all other places "ELECT" is mentioned in scriptures is talking about the Jews God's elect/chosen People, but not not only with this verse I will throw in another verse to confirm this Doctrine that The "ELECT" are the JEWS and will be saved because of their being Chosen of God is this verse.

Romans 11:26-29
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
KJV
Israel/jews shall be saved. but as the cross/gospel they are enemies, but as the "ELECT" they are beloved. the defintion of the "ELECT" is the JEWISH NATION chosen of God to be His people, and we Christians have allowed to be adopted not "ELECTED" into the Family with the "ELECT"

 

[Drayzon]

The Elect will consist of 144,000 first born males, who have never lied and who have never had sexual relations - 12,000 from every Tribe of the House of Israel, except for Dan, from which the antichrist will come.
These people will be chosen by God. They will not chosen by people.
They will make up the one TRUE Church of Jesus Christ.

I don't mean to be rude, but that is not right at all.

#1 -The passage in Revelation is symbolic. We have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Don't confuse yourself or anyone else here. It is merely symbolic for having regenerated and holy lives.

#2 - Where on Earth or in the Bible to be more specific did you get the information that the Antichrist is coming out of the tribe of Dan.

To christlover500

The Lord said to his disciples in Matthew 20:16 "Many are called, but few are chosen."

Here's what He means... His disciples, apostles, prophets, preachers, pastors, evangelists, etc. are the few. The ones they go out to reach and preach to are the many, however we are all part of the Body of Christ.

It's almost like a business or company. That company or business needs managers, supervisors, and/or CEOs in order to expand the company with workers. But no one is greater or lesser than the next, since we all make up the body.

 

[John S]

Drayzon - Dan is listed as one of the Tribes of Israel in Genesis 49 but Jacob chastises Dan. The Tribe of Dan is not listed in Revelations. Why not?
I'm looking for the antichrist to come from Italy.
I don't believe that the passage in Revelations is symbolic. The Elect will consist of 144,000 first-born males, who don't lie and who have never had sexual relations. THEY make up the one true Church of Jesus Christ.
When Christ returns, the denomination that you currently belong to, will no longer exist - and neither will any other denomination - Christian or non-Christian.

 

[TheMightyTurtle]

I don't mean to be rude, but that is not right at all.

#1 -The passage in Revelation is symbolic. We have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Don't confuse yourself or anyone else here. It is merely symbolic for having regenerated and holy lives.

#2 - Where on Earth or in the Bible to be more specific did you get the information that the Antichrist is coming out of the tribe of Dan.

The entire book of Revelations is symbolic and not literal.

 

[His_disciple3]

Many others will be saved, but not a part of the elect. David was one of the elect. Samuel, Moses, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, the apostles, Paul, etc are of the elect. With election comes a lot of responsibility; those who are given a full knowledge of Christ are held to a different standard than everyone else. .

if this was true then why would God give someone that much responsiblity before they had obtain salvation:

2 Timothy 2:10-13
10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

or why would samuel, moses, abramham, isaac, jacob, joseph and the Apostles and certainly paul be enemies with the Gospel: romans 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
KJV

dude you are way off from the scriptures concerning the "ELECT" and one more note, if you had the Holy Spirit, you would still have the Holy Spirit: note verse 29 the gifts of God are (without Him changing his Mind) repentance!

Luke 11:13
13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
KJV

 

[JHM]

Are The Israelites.

 

[christlover500]

Are The Israelites.

Not entirely. Israelites were in the OT and are still God's chosen, but since Jesus' crucifixion now Gentiles are also God's people; in fact, God's chosen are no longer a race or type of people, but rather anyone who accepts Jesus as their savior.

 

[His_disciple3]

Not entirely. Israelites were in the OT and are still God's chosen, but since Jesus' crucifixion now Gentiles are also God's people; in fact, God's chosen are no longer a race or type of people, but rather anyone who accepts Jesus as their savior.

you are debating around in circles. If God's chosen people are the Israelites and we through Adoption become joint heirs with the king of the Jews then we become Israel, so their Answer the elect are the Israelites, would be entirely correct. but even your op is wrong, if the "elect" are a few chosen men called for a certain purpose, or the "elect" are all Christians then when were the called or Christians enemies concerning the gospel, but beloved as the "elect", the "elect" are the Jews. and you said the Israelites were in the old testament wake up dude the Israelites/God's Chosen are still in the world today. who ever blesses Israel will be blessed and who ever curses Israel will be cursed, let a Christian nation such as USA turned on Israel instead of being with them and we will see who are the true Chosen people of God.

 

[keepinitsimple]

Actually God's elect is the believer, so it's correct both for gentiles and Jews..

Rom 8:33

God bless

 

[His_disciple3]

Actually God's elect is the believer, so it's correct both for gentiles and Jews..

Rom 8:33

God bless

8:33 doesn't say who the "Elect are, just says God justifies them! if a believer is the elect than why did paul say that the "Elect/believer" needed to obtain salvation or when was the Believer as a believer enemy with God but beloved concerning the "Elect"? it is the Jews, the Chosen ones of God who are the "Elect" and as for the gospel they are enemies but concerning the election they are the beloved. our understanding of scriptures have to line up with all scriptures not just the ones we chose to bite into. God has predestined the Jews to Be His people, the Blood line had to be protected, there is life in the Blood, He is not God of the Jews and the Gentiles, does not say we become Jews just says we have the same God ! males or females do men become females, He just loves us the same, there is still a difference in the eyes of God, but He just loves both Jews and gentiles, even allowed His chosen to be cut off so that we the wild olive brach be grafted in, but we can be grafted in also can the Chosen be grafted back in Also and will be!

 

[keepinitsimple]

Peter addresses the gentiles as the elect also..

1Pe 1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout
Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,

1Pe 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ:
Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

To say chosen or elect is the same..

God bless

 

[His_disciple3]

how do you get here that Peter is addressing the gentiles? we all know by this time in History, that the Jews were scattered all through Asia, plus why would he called the saved people: strangers? plus a Calvinist will tell us that we can't know who the elect are. . back in this time, one could know who the Jews/Elect were. But to know a saved person, then refer to that saved person as a stranger?? I believe one would be hard pressed to say that these were gentiles, for it would be hard to determined a stranger as being saved or not, but one could spot a Jew without having to know them.

but now I will agree that to say chosen or elect is the same thing,
Deuteronomy 7:6-9
6 For thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God: the Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
7 The Lord did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:
8 But because the Lord loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the Lord brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.
9 Know therefore that the Lord thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;
KJV

 

[christlover500]

[QUOTE keepinitsimple]
Actually God's elect is the believer, so it's correct both for gentiles and Jews..



You are correct. The idea of this confuses many. To shorten it, the Israelites were and still are God's chosen people, but since Jesus' crucifixion now Gentiles can also be His people. So it is all encompassing, all believers of Christ, whether Jew or Gentile, us all together make up of the Body and Fellowship of Christ.

People have the assumption that every Israelite is going to be saved. They may be the Chosen, but not every one of them has/will given himself to Christ.

 

[keepinitsimple]

You are correct. The idea of this confuses many. To shorten it, the Israelites were and still are God's chosen people, but since Jesus' crucifixion now Gentiles can also be His people. So it is all encompassing, all believers of Christ, whether Jew or Gentile, us all together make up of the Body and Fellowship of Christ.

People have the assumption that every Israelite is going to be saved. They may be the Chosen, but not every one of them has/will given himself to Christ.

The most important part is to understand what the difference is between called and chosen/elect.. The point is not to remain as the called, but to stand as the chosen/elect..
Pursue this..

Mat 6:33


God bless

 

[His_disciple3]

[QUOTE keepinitsimple]
Actually God's elect is the believer, so it's correct both for gentiles and Jews..



You are correct. The idea of this confuses many. To shorten it, the Israelites were and still are God's chosen people, but since Jesus' crucifixion now Gentiles can also be His people. So it is all encompassing, all believers of Christ, whether Jew or Gentile, us all together make up of the Body and Fellowship of Christ.

People have the assumption that every Israelite is going to be saved. They may be the Chosen, but not every one of them has/will given himself to Christ.

But scriptures says that God chose/elected predestined before time begin, so either Christains were "ELECTED" before the Crucifixion or they were not elected, it is not a matter of the Jews were and now christians are also. let's go back to Adam. Sure God knew that Adam would fall, But he created him anyway. was that what God wanted for Adam and mankind? no that is what Adam and mankind chose. Adam had a Choice death of life and he chose death, either knowledge which brings death or the tree of life which was in the Garden the whole time with no restrictions on eating of it. does mankind chose death sure, for the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is everlasting life through Jesus Christ! we even chose sin after Christ when He has given us power over Sin, God knows how to deliver His people from their temptations, with every temptation He provides a way out, The Door. But God does no repent from giving gifts and He gave Adam dominion over the earth, before the fall. so Adam chose to fall, so can we say that the world is in the will of God? if we preach election we have to say that we are exactly where God wants us. You will never convince me of that. even when the Son came to set us free He said I come to give life, reverse the effect of the curse. so choose Me and have life and life abundantly. If Not you will die and men still choose to die! Why didn't God force adam to eat of the tree of Life after the fall, if He had wanted to force some in and some out, was Adam not of the elect? or did God hide the tree from Adam so that all would have to come unto Him that want Life.

Deuteronomy 30:16-20
16 In that I command thee this day to love the Lord thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the Lord thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.
17 But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;
18 I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.
19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
20 That thou mayest love the Lord thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the Lord sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.
KJV

If Jesus preached predestination as election is taught by calvinist then He wouldn't have told us to pray "thy will be done in earth as it is in heaven" for it would had already been done. and if the earth is exactly where God wants it then Heaven ain't going to be heaven. Or if God has allowed us to choose Him and Life then we are exactly where God wants us. and By His fore-knowledge He elected before time begin!

 

[buchalady]

Our election is in Christ - Ephesians 1:5, who himself was predestined from eternity to be our Savior - Acts 2:23.

In accepting him we are in union with him and with what God has ordained for him - Romans 6:5.

Our security is in Christ.

"Even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. He destined us in love to be his sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will." Ephesians 1:5


"This Jesus, delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and killed by the hands of lawless men." Acts 2:23


"For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his." Romans 6:5

 

[JHM]

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