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Ghosts are they real?

Are ghost real

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So here’s the question are ghosts real from a biblical perspective and if you’re not religious what is your views on the subject?

My perspective from a biblical standpoint are they’re real. Remember Jesus said he wasn’t a ghost when the disciples touched him instead of ever saying there was no such thing. In 1 Samuel 28 we see Saul say bring up the ghost of Samuel (verse 11) and when Samuel arises he says “Why are you bothering me by bringing me up like this?” (This is a rare occurrence and isn’t the norm).

The Bible never said there wasn’t such a thing as ghost. Personally I believe “ghosts” are just an echo of their former self. Demons on the other hand are the ones communicating and even causing physical harm to the living. There is exception about communicating such as when someone is close to death in nursing homes it is said by many that a passed relative or loved one (who is dead) was there to comfort them as they passed away.

Luke 24:39 “Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.”
 

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So here’s the question are ghosts real from a biblical perspective and if you’re not religious what is your views on the subject?

My perspective from a biblical standpoint are they’re real. Remember Jesus said he wasn’t a ghost when the disciples touched him instead of ever saying there was no such thing. In 1 Samuel 28 we see Saul say bring up the ghost of Samuel (verse 11) and when Samuel arises he says “Why are you bothering me by bringing me up like this?” (This is a rare occurrence and isn’t the norm).

The Bible never said there wasn’t such a thing as ghost. Personally I believe “ghosts” are just an echo of their former self. Demons on the other hand are the ones communicating and even causing physical harm to the living. There is exception about communicating such as when someone is close to death in nursing homes it is said by many that a passed relative or loved one (who is dead) was there to comfort them as they passed away.

Luke 24:39 “Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.”
The word translated ghost is pneuma it is used 385 X in the NT... 364x translated spirit and only 2x translate ghost.

In 1 Samuel 28 it is referred to as a familiar spirit in 1Sa 28:8 … which, depending on the circumstance is many times what they are….. a familiar spirit is a devil spirit that is familiar with the person who died.

You can use the word ghost …but they are all devil spirits (demons)
 
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My brain tells me no but if the Bible says yes, then my brain is wrong.
No MIsty , your brain and conscience is right. The Bible says no. Mis-representing spirituals as ghosts is wrong , is not right, and is wrong again. i.e. no ghosts.
 
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The word translated ghost is pneuma it is used 385 X in the NT... 364x translated spirit and only 2x translate ghost.

In 1 Samuel 28 it is referred to as a familiar spirit in 1Sa 28:8 … which, depending on the circumstance is many times what they are….. a familiar spirit is a devil spirit that is familiar with the person who died.

You can use the word ghost …but they are all devil spirits (demons)
The word translated as “ghost” in Matthew 14:26 is the Greek word phantasma, meaning illusion, phantom, specter, or most commonly, ghost. In Luke 24:37 the Greek word is pneuma, or wind, breath, or immaterial substance, much like a ghost.

Not all are “devil spirits” as we can see in 1 Samuel 28 when the ghost or spirit of Samuel was spoken to. Jesus Christ never said ghosts weren’t real instead described a ghost has no flesh. Are they real? That’s up to you to decide.
 
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Any evidence I have seen for ghosts was either debunked with further thought and investigation, or not strong enough to support the claim.

I used to believe in ghosts, but I have given up after not finding any solid evidence.
 
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Any evidence I have seen for ghosts was either debunked with further thought and investigation, or not strong enough to support the claim.
I used to believe in ghosts, but I have given up after not finding any solid evidence.
There is indeed nothing substantive about 'ghosts' ..... it all merely passes away like a wisp of smoke from a cigarette....
 
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I see no compelling evidence to believe in them. They were fun to believe in when I was younger. I remember we once had a battery toy that would move on it's own. Nothing like an intelligent path or anything. We found it strange and took the batteries out, yet it would still move. I'm sure there is a scientific non-ghost reason behind it, but it was still strange.

My friend's grandmother died, and we assumed at the time it might have been her. I don't believe that anymore. But it was strange.
 
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I see no compelling evidence to believe in them. They were fun to believe in when I was younger. I remember we once had a battery toy that would move on it's own. Nothing like an intelligent path or anything. We found it strange and took the batteries out, yet it would still move. I'm sure there is a scientific non-ghost reason behind it, but it was still strange.

My friend's grandmother died, and we assumed at the time it might have been her. I don't believe that anymore. But it was strange.
Maybe not too strange. I had some devices, whether toys or other,
that has/had two or more different compartments for batteries; different circuits for different purposes, like for example one for motion/motor, another for sound or lights...
 
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Maybe not too strange. I had some devices, whether toys or other,
that has/had two or more different compartments for batteries; different circuits for different purposes, like for example one for motion/motor, another for sound or lights...
Possible. Might had had some internal battery inside. It was a cheap toy though, but who knows? My knowledge on electricity is low but maybe someone was playing with a Tesla coil nearby? Lol.
 
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Depends how you define "ghosts."


As long as Sarah lived, a cloud (signifying the Divine presence)

hung over her tent, when she died, the cloud disappered.

But when Rebecca came, it returned.
(Midrash Rabbah; Rashi)

So not what one thinks as spooky and scary but as Riley said, "depends"
 
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So here’s the question are ghosts real from a biblical perspective and if you’re not religious what is your views on the subject?

My perspective from a biblical standpoint are they’re real. Remember Jesus said he wasn’t a ghost when the disciples touched him instead of ever saying there was no such thing. In 1 Samuel 28 we see Saul say bring up the ghost of Samuel (verse 11) and when Samuel arises he says “Why are you bothering me by bringing me up like this?” (This is a rare occurrence and isn’t the norm).

The Bible never said there wasn’t such a thing as ghost. Personally I believe “ghosts” are just an echo of their former self. Demons on the other hand are the ones communicating and even causing physical harm to the living. There is exception about communicating such as when someone is close to death in nursing homes it is said by many that a passed relative or loved one (who is dead) was there to comfort them as they passed away.

Luke 24:39 “Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.”

Let me reframe it a bit. Yes there are ghost if the definition is in reference to spirits. What is more to the point are there human spirits still roaming about freely or are they non-human spirits roaming disguised as human ghosts? I for one don't believe in human ghost, when human dies the spirit is no longer with us. The point that the witch has to summon Samuel indicates that his spirit is not among the spaces of the living. Non-human spirits such as angels and demons can manifest in our world either physical or ethereal.

When Jesus said He is not a ghost I don't interpret it as Him confirming the existence of dead human spirit roaming among the living but rather to calm His disciple fanciful idea of seeing the cultural idea of ghost.
 
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Interesting topic. Well ghosts would be what? A person's spirit? I think the King James used the word ghosts but it leaves one with the sense of a spooky thing like on Halloween. But lets look at spirit. The Bible says we are spirit, the real man or person on the inside and we live in a physicals body. You'll notice when Jesus raised on girl from the dead it states her spirit returned. Luke 8:55 Returned from where? Well we know from out of her body, from heaven or Abrahams' bosom.

But what is spirit. From what I see it has to be defined as the substance or realty from a different universal order and from what I see that universal order wouldn't be inferior to ours or spooky and non substantial. But MORE REAL. We tend to think of spirit as something non substantial but I'd say it's more so. God is a Spirit the Bible says. What does that mean?

It means he's a being of a higher universal order and Jesus called that place the ABOVE. He didn't mean ABOVE necessarily physically above our heads but the spirit or the kingdom thereof.....it's of a higher order. More could be said.
 
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So here’s the question are ghosts real from a biblical perspective and if you’re not religious what is your views on the subject?

My perspective from a biblical standpoint are they’re real. Remember Jesus said he wasn’t a ghost when the disciples touched him instead of ever saying there was no such thing. In 1 Samuel 28 we see Saul say bring up the ghost of Samuel (verse 11) and when Samuel arises he says “Why are you bothering me by bringing me up like this?” (This is a rare occurrence and isn’t the norm).

The Bible never said there wasn’t such a thing as ghost. Personally I believe “ghosts” are just an echo of their former self. Demons on the other hand are the ones communicating and even causing physical harm to the living. There is exception about communicating such as when someone is close to death in nursing homes it is said by many that a passed relative or loved one (who is dead) was there to comfort them as they passed away.

Luke 24:39 “Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.”
I read through all the responses on here and your question of ghosts (assuming you mean the spirit essence of a deceased human being) is a "tricky" question.

Technically yes, ghosts exist. Do we have access to them, or do they have access to us? The Scripturally recorded answer to that question (with the exception of one incident where Samual did appear to the witch of Endor) appears to be "no".

Now the reason for "no" is based in what understanding of Sheol / hell we can get from Scripture. Now according to the parable of the rich man and Lazarus; dead humans can "technically" communicate with living humans IF given permission there of. (Thus the story of Samuel.) But according to that parable that is generally not the case. The rich man requests of Abraham to send Lazarus to warn the rich man's brothers of the real existence of retribution for sin committed. And Abraham's response is: They still won't believe even if one rose from the dead. Which is an interesting reference to the resurrection of Christ.

Now granted Jesus is not the only one who was raised from the daad in Scripture. But the reason other people were capable of being raised was because of the resurrection of Christ. Which for this reason; we get into looking at the atonement and how that "event" took place both within earthy time as well as out side of earthy time. Things that happen outside of earthy time have the ability to interject themselves within our earthy timeline regardless of where they happen in our earthy timeline. That's part of God's omniscience. Which is a whole other realm of ability of God beyond what would naturally happen in creation.

And in this thus, we get the story of Samuel and the witch of Endor. I studied that passage and as far as I could determine that really was the spirit of Samual that appeared to her. But if we look at that account carefully, it's rather interesting. First off, it's interesting because Samual is annoyed. He makes a comment of being called "back" from his state of (extrapolated) to mean "journey to the other side of eternity". The description given of the event involving Samual is similar to the Jacob's ladder vision. Although I tend to see that vision as having more specific application to angels than souls of deceased humans.

Now throw another caveat in here. Revelation 19:10. In this vision; John encounters this entity he interprets to be an "angel". This "angel" tells him not to worship him because he is one of John's brethren who bears the testimony of Christ. Which when taken for what it is; is an interesting statement because the entity John is talking to is a disembodied saint. We can deduce this because of what this entity says to John. An obedient angel would not tell John he is one of John's 'brethren" because angels are not atoneable for. "(Christ) did not take on the nature of angels...." (Hebrews 2:16). So though obedient angels are called "elect angels" (1 Timothy 5:21) Angels are not entities that are specifically atoned for.

Now, Old Testament:. In the Book of Daniel, in the Hebrew disembodied saints are called "the watchers". King Jimmy translates that term "saint" "One saint said to another...." (Daniel 8:13) These were apparently departed human souls who were in heaven prior to the completion of the atonement in earthy time. Now Daniel's vision; appears to be an "event" that encompasses the entirety of earthy history. When Daniel is told to "seal up the prophecy of the book" what is later revealed in Revelation is believed to be what Daniel was told to "seal up". Which this does make sense in the chronological timeline. Which again, the atonement being an event that takes place both outside of time as well as within time; would account for how saints appear in heaven prior to the crucifixion. "(Jesus) is the lamb slain from the foundation of the world..." (Revelation 13:8)

So, which this means any "ghost" allotted an "appearance" to any human is only capable of happening within the context of what God allows for reasons of prophetic fulfillment. Which only applies to the purpose of the writing of the canon of Scripture. Thus why the incident with Samual and the witch of Endor happened in the Old Testament.

Which brings us to the question of ghosts today. (Yes they do exist.) Can we see them today. The answer to that appears to be "no" and that is because of the resurrection of Christ. This is all connected to the revelation that's part of the whole of the canon of Scripture. Why God sent Samuel back to Saul? I don't know the answer to that. The warning Saul received was that he would die and the kingdom would be taken from him and given to the rightful king. Now historically, that played out as David became the king of Israel. David was a historical metaphoric representation of Christ. "Israel" is the elect of God from both Old and New Testament saints.

So now that the canon of Scripture is complete; living humans will no longer see "ghosts"; (or obedient angels) for that matter; or even in that case I'd say demons... though the presence of demons can still be "experienced". The deception often comes in that people think they are "ghosts"; of which I'd conclude that's likely the case. Demonic entities are posing themselves as human spirits. Which apparently was an issue in the Old Testament; and thus the injunction about not invoking the dead. You will not get the spirit of a human. You will get a demon posing as a human.

Now as to Jesus telling the disciples that he was not a ghost?

That makes contextual sense in their understanding of the possibility that they could see ghosts. (Their reference being the event with Samuel and the witch of Endor which was recorded in Scripture they would have been familiar with.) So to question, within their timeline of the unfolding of history, did make sense as to their questioning Jesus being a ghost.

And his answer (that specifically he is the one who's risen from the dead) ties all these other passages together. (Samuel's warning to Saul of retribution for sin to the story of the rich man and Lazarus.) They all fit into the context of the unfolding of the redemption plan and how that applies to the writing of the canon of Scripture.

Now, probably much more complicated of an answer than you expected to get; but there's my understanding of the subject / question of "ghosts".
 
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Interesting topic. Well ghosts would be what? A person's spirit? I think the King James used the word ghosts but it leaves one with the sense of a spooky thing like on Halloween. But lets look at spirit. The Bible says we are spirit, the real man or person on the inside and we live in a physicals body. You'll notice when Jesus raised on girl from the dead it states her spirit returned. Luke 8:55 Returned from where? Well we know from out of her body, from heaven or Abrahams' bosom.

But what is spirit. From what I see it has to be defined as the substance or realty from a different universal order and from what I see that universal order wouldn't be inferior to ours or spooky and non substantial. But MORE REAL. We tend to think of spirit as something non substantial but I'd say it's more so. God is a Spirit the Bible says. What does that mean?

It means he's a being of a higher universal order and Jesus called that place the ABOVE. He didn't mean ABOVE necessarily physically above our heads but the spirit or the kingdom thereof.....it's of a higher order. More could be said.
I think you are "on target" in understanding the reality of a realm outside of the material cosmos. Would I call that a "higher order" in regards to human souls? (Not necessarily.) "Heaven" and "hell" are points of access to that other realm. But as created entities in comparison to God, I would not call that a "higher order"; although I would agree that would be a different reference point of understanding than what we don't "see" (yet are aware exists) from the realm of the material world of the existence of the realm of "spirits". (Of which I would say that includes obedient angels, demons and disembodied human souls.)

The "higher order" I would call the "realm of God"; but in the sense of God being higher than His creation. I think even "heaven" as creatures experience the presence of God; isn't quite the same thing as the "higher order" of God's existence.
 
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