General Baptists / Particular Baptists ?

[tulipbee]

Whats the difference between "General Baptists" and "Particular Baptists". What are their practices and how do they compare?

 

[AlabamaStreetPreacher]

I'm more General than Particular, but really I am neither...

 

[student ad x]

Howdy all,
The name Particular Baptist has its origins in 17th century England. The primary distinction between General and Particular Baptists is the atonement. A Particular Baptist holds to Particular Redemption also called Limited or Definite Atonement.

 

[van_s]

It seems sometimes we know more about our religion than our Savior.

 

[TimRout]

It seems sometimes we know more about our religion than our Savior.

I trust you aren't speaking for the rest of us by this statement.

 

[LiveInSpirit]

I trust you aren't speaking for the rest of us by this statement.

van_s must have a mouse in his pocket.

 

[tulipbee]

Howdy all,
The name Particular Baptist has its origins in 17th century England. The primary distinction between General and Particular Baptists is the atonement. A Particular Baptist holds to Particular Redemption also called Limited or Definite Atonement.

Now I see. You must be saying that the Particular Baptist are Calvinist and the General Baptist are Arminians. I'm trying to figure where the Reformed Baptist comes into the picture.

 

[student ad x]

Now I see. You must be saying that the Particular Baptist are Calvinist and the General Baptist are Arminians. I'm trying to figure where the Reformed Baptist comes into the picture.

Hello tulipbee,
The terms Particular Baptist, Calvinistic Baptist or 'Reformed' Baptist are used pretty much in the same way. All will agree on the greatest part of soteriology (the doctrine of salvation as effected by Jesus). All do not agree on: covenentalism/dispensationalism or eschatology (study of end times). The actual use of the term 'Reformed' and Baptist together is a rather new classification. Here's a link that will show how some are defining 'Reformed' Baptist. Hope this helps

 

[mlqurgw]

Now I see. You must be saying that the Particular Baptist are Calvinist and the General Baptist are Arminians. I'm trying to figure where the Reformed Baptist comes into the picture.

Reformed Baptists are a fairly recent denomination actually. If I remember correctly they came about in the 1970's. Though I would have to go back to my study notes on Baptist history to make sure.

 

[tulipbee]

Reformed Baptists are a fairly recent denomination actually. If I remember correctly they came about in the 1970's. Though I would have to go back to my study notes on Baptist history to make sure.

If the reformed baptist are Calvinist and the Calvinist describes the gospel then the reformed baptist is the same church since Pentecost. So that would make the particular baptist the same true church and the General Baptist, the offspring since they changed their mind how the salvation plan works. That how It seems.

 

[mlqurgw]

If the reformed baptist are Calvinist and the Calvinist describes the gospel then the reformed baptist is the same church since Pentecost. So that would make the particular baptist the same true church and the General Baptist, the offspring since they changed their mind how the salvation plan works. That how It seems.

There has always been a remnant of belivers in every generation that has held to truth. Christ upholds His churcfh even though they are a small and even un-noticed group. The Lord has always had a remnant according to the election of grace.

 

[the particular baptist]

There has always been a remnant of belivers in every generation that has held to truth. Christ upholds His churcfh even though they are a small and even un-noticed group. The Lord has always had a remnant according to the election of grace.

Amen brother Ron

 

[LiturgyInDMinor]

Are reformed baptists a part of the particular baptist tradition with a different name??

 

[student ad x]

Are reformed baptists a part of the particular baptist tradition with a different name??

Howdy brother,

IMO: yes.......... Here's the link I posted earlier. 5 Points of RBC Providence Reformed Baptist Church of Toledo, Oh

 

[FreeinChrist]

My understanding is that General Baptists came about in 1608 under John Smyth in Amsterdam and that they believed that Christ died for all and whoever believed would be saved. Particular Baptists came out of the Puritan separatist movement from the Church of England in the 1600s a bit later along with Presbyterians, Congregationalists and Quakers. Particular Baptists, like the Puritans, were influenced by John Calvin and beleive Christ died only for the elect. They drew up the 1644 London confession.

Todays Reformed Baptists are Particular Baptists - always have been. It is a name that points out they are Calvinists.

 

[LiturgyInDMinor]

My understanding is that General Baptists came about in 1608 under John Smyth in Amsterdam and that they believed that Christ died for all and whoever believed would be saved. Particular Baptists came out of the Puritan separatist movement from the Church of England in the 1600s a bit later along with Presbyterians, Congregationalists and Quakers. Particular Baptists, like the Puritans, were influenced by John Calvin and beleive Christ died only for the elect. They drew up the 1644 London confession.

Todays Reformed Baptists are Particular Baptists - always have been. It is a name that points out they are Calvinists.

That's what I thought I read in my studies...just didn't put it all together. Thanks.

 

[DeaconDean]

My understanding is that General Baptists came about in 1608 under John Smyth in Amsterdam and that they believed that Christ died for all and whoever believed would be saved. Particular Baptists came out of the Puritan separatist movement from the Church of England in the 1600s a bit later along with Presbyterians, Congregationalists and Quakers. Particular Baptists, like the Puritans, were influenced by John Calvin and beleive Christ died only for the elect. They drew up the 1644 London confession.

Todays Reformed Baptists are Particular Baptists - always have been. It is a name that points out they are Calvinists.

Right!

The very first Baptist Confession written in the Colonies, some 34 years before the Declaration of Independence was a "Calvinist" or "Particular" Baptist Confession. ANd this was the standard for all Baptists until the 1830's and the issue of "abolition" which gave birth to the General Baptist Association, and the issue of the ordinances which gave birth to the Campbell/Stone Movement.

"Particular" Baptists (Calvinist/Reformed) have an over 300 year history in America.

But here again, I'll probably be told I don't know what I'm talking about. Being as since I've already been told at least a dozen times that I don't know Baptist history, let alone "Reformed" Baptist history.

But so says "Cleteus the Slack-Jawed" Yokel."

God Bless

Till all are one.

 

[tulipbee]

My understanding is that General Baptists came about in 1608 under John Smyth in Amsterdam and that they believed that Christ died for all and whoever believed would be saved. Particular Baptists came out of the Puritan separatist movement from the Church of England in the 1600s a bit later along with Presbyterians, Congregationalists and Quakers. Particular Baptists, like the Puritans, were influenced by John Calvin and beleive Christ died only for the elect. They drew up the 1644 London confession.

Todays Reformed Baptists are Particular Baptists - always have been. It is a name that points out they are Calvinists.

Thats good info! Now I can cross match and see that Jacobus Arminius been very busy during those years. Did John Smyth get involved with Jacobus Arminius? Did they, both together, oppose the Gospel and change them to fit the doctrines of men?

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Jacobus Arminius (October 10, 1560 - October 19, 1609), the Latinized name of the Dutch theologian Jakob Harmenszoon from the Protestant Reformation period, (also known by the Anglicized names of Jacob Arminius or James Arminius), served from 1603 as professor in theology at the University of Leiden. He wrote many books and treatises on theology, and his views became the basis of the Dutch Remonstrants.
Following his death, his views came to the forefront for being opposed the five points of Calvinism, though in actuality he objected to only three: unconditional election, limited atonement; and irresistible grace, and doubted one: perseverance of the saints. However, his belief in a point in common with Calvinism, total depravity, was a modified version from the one held by Calvinists.
---------clipped from Jacobus Arminius - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[tulipbee]

. . ."Particular" Baptists (Calvinist/Reformed) have an over 300 year history in America.

Which are older: "Particular" Baptists or "General" Baptist?

 

[tulipbee]

. . .The very first Baptist Confession written in the Colonies, some 34 years before the Declaration of Independence was a "Calvinist" or "Particular" Baptist Confession. ANd this was the standard for all Baptists until the 1830's and the issue of "abolition" which gave birth to the General Baptist Association, and the issue of the ordinances which gave birth to the Campbell/Stone Movement. . .

Thers a church down the road that called "Christian church". I did enjoy their worship style but I'm not really interested in a church that draws people with their entertaining entertainments rather than worship. With a simple name for a denomination, it made it difficult to look up the history of that denomination. They even hand out those popular "Christian" magazines and also could be picked up at some Chick-fa-la restaurants.
Are the Christian church denomination a Campbell/Stone Movement? How do they differ from the Baptists.