Frequency of Tithes

[Bryan Cotton]

This is not about if we are to tithe or not OR if we are under the law or not. My question is this:

When were tithes suppose to be paid for the people in the bible who are commanded to tithe Was it weekly, yearly, Ever 3 years, every seven years?

I ask because I hear some preacher pretty much saying you should tithe everytiem you get a pay check. Some say you should bring a tithe and/or offering EVERY time you come to church.

I can not find scriptures to indicate that tithe giving was every week or every time you step inside a church.

 

[kimbalee]

i think that it is everytime you get a paycheck/income, then hold it until you go to church. i have never really heard of it being monthly, yearly... but i don't think that the frequency is documented anywhere in the bible. i would just asume 10% as soon as you get it, hold onto to it until you go to church.

this brings me onto a question that i am gonna post as a new topic... thanks for the inspiration!

 

[BlackSabb]

This is not about if we are to tithe or not OR if we are under the law or not. My question is this:

When were tithes suppose to be paid for the people in the bible who are commanded to tithe Was it weekly, yearly, Ever 3 years, every seven years?

I ask because I hear some preacher pretty much saying you should tithe everytiem you get a pay check. Some say you should bring a tithe and/or offering EVERY time you come to church.

I can not find scriptures to indicate that tithe giving was every week or every time you step inside a church.

Yet another example of modern church fraud and swindling. Many churches preach "tithing" but then redefine how that tithe is to be administered.

In the OT, the Israelites presented their offerings of first fruits at the temple once per year. This is the second twisting of the Bible by the modern church. The first twisting is that there is any mandatory "tithe" at all. The NT is clear about this. The law of the OT is finished, and the NT is in place. Paul says very clearly that God loves a cheerful giver and that each person should be fully convinced in his own mind how much he wants to give. Therefore giving is up to the individual, not the mandatory 10% tithe.

The second twisting is of course how many times to present this "tithe". If the modern church still claims a tithe, then why does it say you have to give it every week, when the tithe in the OT was presented once per year?

And there is a third corrupt twisting.. And it's a big one, and a very little known aspect about the OT tithe. Something the modern church doesn't want you to know about. In fact, in over 2 decades of going to various churches, I never heard this even once mentioned in a sermon. Because put simply, people would put 2 and 2 together.

And here it is. Wait for it. It's a real doozy. As I said, the Israelites presented their tithe of their first fruits once per year. And here's the twist. 2 twists in fact.

Are you in suspense? After presenting their tithe, the Israelistes ate all those first fruits themselves!!!!

I told you it was good! And never preached because no church wants people to know this. The Israelites did not hand over the first fruits to the temple Levites, but ate it as a thanks offering unto God. It would be the equivalent if your pastor says, "okay then, let's tithe like in the Bible. Next Sunday, everybody bring 10% of your years income and dedicate this before God. After the service, go out and spend that money as you see fit, as a thanks unto God".

Now you see why churches don't want you to know this. And why they don't practice real "tithing". But I said there were 2 twists, not just one.

Are you ready? It's good, very good. The Israelistes did this for 2 years in a row! Slam dunk! How good is that? It was at the 3rd years tithe offering that the Israelites gave all their first fruits to the temple Levites for their upkeep.

So, this so called "tithe" of 10% is in reality just over 3%!!!! And you wonder why churches don't tell you this? You present a 10% offering per year for 3 years, but only give away 1 of those 10% offerings. So the real amount given away and not kept by yourself is:

10% divided by 3 = 3.3 %!!!

And this shows you how corrupt the modern church is. Presenting a lie to people to extort money out of them. Putting them under the law of "tithing" and then distorting that very tithe in the first place. If tithing is still valid, then why don't you tithe like in the OT as I have indicated?

 

[Bryan Cotton]

BlackSabb, while some of what you presented I've come across, some of it I either have not or may or may not be a bit inaccurate. But most of what you covered I only have vague notes and questions in my bible study notes.

So with that being said, can you supply scriptual backup with your statements.

Not so much on "should we tithe or not" becasue as I said in my orignal post, this is not what my question is about. The question is those people in the bible that DID tithe, how often did they present the 10%.

If you could supply scriptures on just that point, I'd be greatfull.

 

[Russell Earl Kelly PHD]

Although money was common in Genesis and essential for sanctuary worship, money was never included in 16 texts which describe tithes over 1500 years from Leviticus to Matthew.

Since tithes were only money, then they were paid at harvest time. The landowner or herd-owner paid the tithes --not the workers. These were brought to the Levitical cities and the Levites and priests brought what they needed to the sanctuary per Nehemiah 10:37-39.

A second festival tithe was eaten in the streets of Jerusalem three times a year. There was no tithe every seventh year and all gleaned what grew by itself.

It is wrong to teach that tithes are income. The poor, carpenters (Jesus), fishermen (Peter) and tentmakers (Paul) were not even required to tithe that increase which came from their own hands.

 

[kimbalee]

It is wrong to teach that tithes are income. The poor, carpenters (Jesus), fishermen (Peter) and tentmakers (Paul) were not even required to tithe that increase which came from their own hands.

wow.... that is interesting. I had no idea. So tithe are not always money?

 

[knew1]

Very interesting thread here. My church preaches tithing every Sunday and Wednesday. I have experienced the blessings of a cheerful giver and the lack of when I held back tithes. I have mixed feelings. Now I give what I can and don't worry about it. If God wants more from me, I'll know.

 

[alancrookham]

Yeah, I think that it is/was on an income basis. I put aside 10% of everything as soon as I get it. The priests lived off the tithes of the people, so I think it would have to be a constant thing.
Alan

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[Bryan Cotton]

Although money was common in Genesis and essential for sanctuary worship, money was never included in 16 texts which describe tithes over 1500 years from Leviticus to Matthew.

That's not totally true. In Deuteronomy 14:24-25

24 And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the LORD thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the LORD thy God hath blessed thee:

25 Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose:
Butt this is the tithe was to much to get to the place of the lord or to far. But check THIS out. In Deureronomy 26-27:

26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,

27 And the Levite that is within thy gates; thou shalt not forsake him; for he hath no part nor inheritance with thee.

UH OH! Tithe teachers N E V E R quote this part of the bible. WHY?

The next time someone mention Deutoronomy 14:22, tell them to keep reading to 14:27
22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.
Any Tithe teachers want to respond? After all, I could be totally reading this wrong

 

[Bro.T]

This is not about if we are to tithe or not OR if we are under the law or not. My question is this:

When were tithes suppose to be paid for the people in the bible who are commanded to tithe Was it weekly, yearly, Ever 3 years, every seven years?

I ask because I hear some preacher pretty much saying you should tithe everytiem you get a pay check. Some say you should bring a tithe and/or offering EVERY time you come to church.

I can not find scriptures to indicate that tithe giving was every week or every time you step inside a church.

Hey Bryan,

Lets go in to Genesis 14:14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.
14:19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth:
14:20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.

When Melchizedek (Jesus) came on the seen abram, gave his tithes.

23:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
23:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.
23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.
23:4 These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.(Leviticus 23:1-4)

This is why we pay our tithes every week or when you get payed, cause on the seventh Day, we have an Holy convoation. The whole foundation of church or any kind of ministry, take from God and add to themself, even man laws, not realizing its always go back to the ten commandments. Sunday preachers suppose to show people Leviticus the 23rd chapter, but then again they have explain to much. A lot of them
are new testament christian, so they never go in the old testament book

Lets look at the feast of the lord, which is still good to observe, also
represent Gods plan

16:16 Three times in a year shall all thy males appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose; in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks, and in the feast of tabernacles: and they shall not appear before the LORD empty:
16:17 Every man shall give as he is able, according to the blessing of the LORD thy God which he hath given thee. (Deu. 16:16,17)

Its seven annual Holy Days, but these three you can't come empty handed, remember paul kept the feast as well.

14:22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.
14:23 And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always.
14:24 And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the LORD thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the LORD thy God hath blessed thee: 14:25 Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose:
14:26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,

Yes, at these feast the lord allow you to have strong drink, so much for drinking is a sin, but thats another topic.


peace in jesus name

 

[Bryan Cotton]

Hey Bryan,

This is why we pay our tithes every week or when you get payed, cause on the seventh Day, we have an Holy convoation.

Maybe i missed it, but were is it that you tithe ever sabbath, or tithe when there is a weekly holy convocation?

And what are you saying, tithe every week or when you get paid? I'm not seeing that in your post. It's late and maybe I just missed it.

14:22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.

That suggest year to year, not sabbath to sabbath or pay check to pay check or week to week or day to day.

When Melchizedek (Jesus)

Really? Isn't this the same high priest spoke of in Hebrews 7

Heb 7:1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;

Heb 7:2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;

If so, then maybe you can clear something up for me that I've been wondering about.

Heb 7:15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

Heb 7:16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
even though this goes off topic, I just needed some clarifiaction on your "Melchizedek (Jesus)" statement.

 

[BlackSabb]

BlackSabb, while some of what you presented I've come across, some of it I either have not or may or may not be a bit inaccurate. But most of what you covered I only have vague notes and questions in my bible study notes.

So with that being said, can you supply scriptual backup with your statements.

Not so much on "should we tithe or not" becasue as I said in my orignal post, this is not what my question is about. The question is those people in the bible that DID tithe, how often did they present the 10%.

If you could supply scriptures on just that point, I'd be greatfull.

Well, you asked for scriptures to back up what I was saying, and here they are. Deuteronomy 14:



22 Be sure to set aside a tenth of all that your fields produce each year. 23 Eat the tithe of your grain, new wine and oil, and the firstborn of your herds and flocks in the presence of the LORD your God at the place he will choose as a dwelling for his Name, so that you may learn to revere the LORD your God always. 24 But if that place is too distant and you have been blessed by the LORD your God and cannot carry your tithe (because the place where the LORD will choose to put his Name is so far away), 25 then exchange your tithe for silver, and take the silver with you and go to the place the LORD your God will choose. 26 Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the LORD your God and rejoice. 27 And do not neglect the Levites living in your towns, for they have no allotment or inheritance of their own.
28 At the end of every three years, bring all the tithes of that year's produce and store it in your towns, 29 so that the Levites (who have no allotment or inheritance of their own) and the aliens, the fatherless and the widows who live in your towns may come and eat and be satisfied, and so that the LORD your God may bless you in all the work of your hands.


So, you brought your tithe to the temple every year and ate your tithe yourself for 2 years. If you couldn't carry all those first fruits, you converted them into money and bought with it whatever you pleased. At the third year, you gave those first fruits to the Levites.

So my question is: If you believe in "tithing", why don't churches truly tithe like they did in the Bible?

 

[Bryan Cotton]

Well, you asked for scriptures to back up what I was saying, and here they are. Deuteronomy 14:

First understand that I asked you to supply the scriptures noit as a challenge, but to present what you were saying with the actual scriptures so people reading know its the bible not your opinion. I should have stated that up front. My bad

Also the scripture Deuteronomy 14 that your posted in this thread at
9th October 2008, 11:20 PM, I quoted it 11 hours prior in this same thread (9th October 2008, 12:05 PM). Only I did Deut: 24-27 then jump back to 22 instead of going 22-28.

So, you brought your tithe to the temple every year..

So I beleive that is your answer to my question, right. I posed the same thing to Tenzel when he posted in this thread "This is why we pay our tithes every week or when you get payed." My response was according to Deut 14:22 (which you also quoted) it suggest a year by year. So We're in agreement. . Maybe you can respond to Tenzels comment to get him on the same page as us .

and ate your tithe yourself for 2 years.

This part was probably the part I wasnt sure about. Probably because 1) i didn't quote 14:28, which I beleive thats were you got that part from. and 2) because I was not clear on what that actually ment. Thanks for that part of your post.

So my question is: If you believe in "tithing", why don't churches truly tithe like they did in the Bible?

I don't know if thas a direct question to me or to the whole thread. But for me, I can't answer that. I don't tithe nor to I believe modern day Chrisitan HAVE to tithe. I think it's ok TO tithe if that is the amount that the spirit leads your heart to give. But saying you HAVE tithe. No one has been able to succesfully convince me were Jesus or Paul taught you HAVE to tithe.

Most people go to verses on the law, but thats another thread. But this thread was started in regards finding out the frequency of people who tithe in the bible.

 

[LogicalChristian]

Interesting thread indeed.

My wife and I tithe, and did so without really paying attention to the fact that we were doing so. We write out a check to the church each week, and several each month to this charity or that.

I've never really looked into the word deeply about this subject. I don't feel bad when I forget to bring my checkbook, nor do I feel like I've accomplished something when I did bring my checkbook.

I give into the kingdom. Whether it's here locally, or some mission abroad. If my money can help advance His kingdom, then I'm more than happy to do it.

If you don't tithe, well, I'm not exactly sure what I think about that. It seems like you're using the letter of the law to justify your selfishness. God wants us to advance his kingdom, and I see my tithe as a tool to that ends.

Just my $0.02

 

[pgp_protector]

So did the workers for the church also tithe ?

 

[LogicalChristian]

Are you talking about OT workers? If so, I've never seen a reference to the Levites tithing.

I know my pastoral staff at my church do tithe.

 

[Cassidy]

What about the early church? Didn't they sell everything and give it to the widows and orphans or something? And did Paul ever receive tithes? How did he live from day to day?

 

[Bro.T]

Maybe i missed it, but were is it that you tithe ever sabbath, or tithe when there is a weekly holy convocation?

23:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings. (Leviticus 23:1,3)



And what are you saying, tithe every week or when you get paid? I'm not seeing that in your post. It's late and maybe I just missed it.

When you get paid, that following sabbath day. Keep in mind that the people fund the church, the church have bills to, and that have to get paid regularly.

That suggest year to year, not sabbath to sabbath or pay check to pay check or week to week or day to day.

23:1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
23:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts.
23:4 These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons. (Leviticus 23:1,2,4)

Lets take a look at these feast that we have to tithes yearly

Lets go to Deuteronomy 16:16 Three times in a year shall all thy males appear before the LORD thy God in the place which he shall choose; in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks, and in the feast of tabernacles: and they shall not appear before the LORD empty:
16:17 Every man shall give as he is able, according to the blessing of the LORD thy God which he hath given thee

14:22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.
14:23 And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always.
14:24 And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the LORD thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the LORD thy God hath blessed thee: 14:25 Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose: 14:26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,

These are the Lord feast which which every male shall not come empty at these feast.


Really? Isn't this the same high priest spoke of in Hebrews 7

Heb 7:1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;

Heb 7:2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;

If so, then maybe you can clear something up for me that I've been wondering about.

Heb 7:15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

Heb 7:16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
even though this goes off topic, I just needed some clarifiaction on your "Melchizedek (Jesus)" statement.

This Melchizedek was King of Salem, and he was also Priest of the Most High God (Genesis 14). This Melchizedek brought forth bread and wine (the same thing Jesus and the Apostles had at the Passover). He blessed Abram and received tithes from him.

In order to find more information on Melchizedek, let us go to the book of Hebrews (Chapter 7). In this chapter we find out that the name Melchizedek means "King of Righteousness". He was also the King of Salem (which means "King of Peace"), as well as the Priest of the Most High God. It is further noted that Melchizedek was (Hebrews 7:3), "Without father, without mother, without decent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life, but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually." If you read the 7th chapter of Hebrews you will see that there can be only one High Priest at a time, and the only way for him to leave the office of High Priest is to die; and considering the fact that Melchizedek will never die, he will always be High Priest.

The apostle Paul explains clearly in this chapter that there were many High Priests among flesh and blood men because they could not continue to hold office "by reason of death" Paul also explains that Jesus was promised the office of High Priest, and he quoted the 4th verse of the 110th chapter of Psalms, where it is written, "The Lord hath sworn and will not repent, Thou art a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek." By taking all of these scriptures into consideration and realizing the fact that Melchizedek cannot die and God cannot lie, one is compelled to acknowledge that Melchizedek and Jesus are, and always were, the same Person.

If you need an example of how the priesthood works, look at the office of the Pope of Rome. It was set up on the order of the High Priesthood. The Pope only leaves office by dying out of it. If there had been any that retired from office, it is an irregularity.

peace in jesus name

 

[rob64]

Don't take this the wrong way, please. I'm trying to be teachable, but I have yet to find any scripture in the NT that states we are supposed to pay 'tithe'. Everything stems from the Old Testament, or Old Covenant-(same word). My recolection has it as offerings or 'giving' in the NT. Tithing was part of the law. So if people want to obey that part of the law, why aren't they doing their sacrifices?

 

[Bro.T]

Don't take this the wrong way, please. I'm trying to be teachable, but I have yet to find any scripture in the NT that states we are supposed to pay 'tithe'. Everything stems from the Old Testament, or Old Covenant-(same word). My recolection has it as offerings or 'giving' in the NT. Tithing was part of the law. So if people want to obey that part of the law, why aren't they doing their sacrifices?

Thats a good question.

For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope. (Romans 15:4)

And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. (2Timothy 3:15-17)

The thing is, the Law that was nail to the cross was the animal sacrifical Law, and not the Ten Commandment.

Its other verses, but I post a couple so you can see that the scriptures (prophets) points to our understand, knowlegde and wisdom, cause thats what jesus and the apostles did, quote the prophets.

Look at what Jesus said here in Matthew 5:17-19)

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Notice what jesus said here Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

We suppose to ask ourself, is heaven and earth till here, is all fulfilled

simple verse people turn up side down

I understand what you saying about tithes being mention in the new testament like the old testament, but the old testament is just as good as the new testament, without both people will lack understanding.

Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. (Revelation 22:14)


peace in jesus name