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France has just proved JD Vance was right

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Last week, in a speech at the Security Conference in Munich, American vice-president JD Vance warned Europe about the sanctity of free speech. Evidently the message was lost on the French.

On Wednesday, the Council of State, the Republic’s highest administrative court, confirmed the closure of two television stations. The pair, C8 and NRJ12, had been ordered off-air last year by Arcom, France’s equivalent of Ofcom, the regulator for the communications services in Britain.

It is the closure of C8, which has caused uproar among conservatives and the Right. The station is owned by Vincent Bolloré, the media tycoon whose conservatism and Catholicism has long made him a hate figure among the progressive Left; they talk about the “Bollorisation” of the media, conveniently overlooking that the state-run broadcaster (like the BBC) is staffed overwhelmingly by people who lean to the Left.

Last year, a journalist for Radio France was sacked merely for talking to Jordan Bardella, the president of Marine Le Pen’s National Rally, about the possibility of ghosting his autobiography. Bardella represents the party which won 37 per cent of the national vote in last year’s parliamentary election, but among Paris’s chattering class, Bardella is beyond the pale and so is anyone who talks to him.

According to Arcom, they forced C8 to close because they breached broadcasting guidelines, notably the station was not diverse enough in its content, which was focused on entertainment and magazine shows. That didn’t bother C8s viewers, 1.5 million of whom regularly watched the flagship show, Touche pas à mon poste, hosted by the charismatic and controversial Cyril Hanouna.

He regularly took on the Establishment, much to their fury, and over the years C8 had totted up €7.6m in broadcasting fines. In January 2023 Hanouna clashed with the far-Left MP Louis Boyard. This provoked an indignant response from the government. The then Minister of Culture, Rima Abdul Malak, used an interview with the Left-wing Le Monde newspaper to warn C8: “When, in 2025, the time comes to analyse their performance in terms of renewing their broadcasting licences, Arcom will be able to see how they have complied with these obligations.”

Hanouna said he wasn’t surprised by the decision, claiming that the “Council of State is 80 per cent made up of people on the Left of the political spectrum”. He also alleges that the man who orchestrated the closure of C8 is Alexis Kohler, Emmanuel Macron’s chief of staff. “He really wants to control broadcasting,” said Hanouna of Kohler. Around 400 journalists have lost their jobs as a result of the decision to close down the two stations. There was little sympathy from fellow journalists, trade unions or Left-wing politicians.

Marine Le Pen described the Council of State’s decision as “a terrible step backwards and a worrying decision that vindicates the ayatollahs of the one-track thinking, the dictates of a sectarian Left that only wants to see and hear one voice, that of the system”.


 

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This is how the left operates. If there is any question as to how the left wishes to govern in the US we see it in Europe.

Shut down all descent. Fines and closings. Even jail time for anyone who disagrees. It will come to America eventually. It's already here. Not exactly the same way, but it is here.
 
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This is how the left operates. If there is any question as to how the left wishes to govern in the US we see it in Europe.

Shut down all descent. Fines and closings. Even jail time for anyone who disagrees. It will come to America eventually. It's already here. Not exactly the same way, but it is here.
One might say the current president is accelerating the process.
 
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This is how the left operates. If there is any question as to how the left wishes to govern in the US we see it in Europe.

Shut down all descent. Fines and closings. Even jail time for anyone who disagrees. It will come to America eventually. It's already here. Not exactly the same way, but it is here.
France has a whole different set of traditions. So not everything the left or right does there is mind melded with Americans.

But yes, we have seen state censorship springing up here. But so far its a tool mostly, though not exclusively, employed by the right.
 
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One might say the current president is accelerating the process.
IMO, the current POTUS is attempting to reverse the free speech attacks by the former administration and it's allies.
 
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IMO, the current POTUS is attempting to reverse the free speech attacks by the former administration and it's allies.
The way he is doing it however, will result in a very strong kneejerk when he cannot be elected anymore.
 
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The way [Staff Edit] is doing it however, will result in a very strong kneejerk when he cannot be elected anymore.
I sincerely hope that you are NOT implying that President Donald Trump is a terrorist. If so, then I say to you that you really don't have any good understanding at all as to why over 76 million Americans voted him to be our President of the United States. Also, I would say to you that your definition of a Terrorist does not match up at all with the facts.
 
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This is how the left operates. If there is any question as to how the left wishes to govern in the US we see it in Europe.

Shut down all descent. Fines and closings. Even jail time for anyone who disagrees. It will come to America eventually. It's already here. Not exactly the same way, but it is here.
*dissent
 
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Last week, in a speech at the Security Conference in Munich, American vice-president JD Vance warned Europe about the sanctity of free speech. Evidently the message was lost on the French.

On Wednesday, the Council of State, the Republic’s highest administrative court, confirmed the closure of two television stations. The pair, C8 and NRJ12, had been ordered off-air last year by Arcom, France’s equivalent of Ofcom, the regulator for the communications services in Britain.

It is the closure of C8, which has caused uproar among conservatives and the Right. The station is owned by Vincent Bolloré, the media tycoon whose conservatism and Catholicism has long made him a hate figure among the progressive Left; they talk about the “Bollorisation” of the media, conveniently overlooking that the state-run broadcaster (like the BBC) is staffed overwhelmingly by people who lean to the Left.

Last year, a journalist for Radio France was sacked merely for talking to Jordan Bardella, the president of Marine Le Pen’s National Rally, about the possibility of ghosting his autobiography. Bardella represents the party which won 37 per cent of the national vote in last year’s parliamentary election, but among Paris’s chattering class, Bardella is beyond the pale and so is anyone who talks to him.

According to Arcom, they forced C8 to close because they breached broadcasting guidelines, notably the station was not diverse enough in its content, which was focused on entertainment and magazine shows. That didn’t bother C8s viewers, 1.5 million of whom regularly watched the flagship show, Touche pas à mon poste, hosted by the charismatic and controversial Cyril Hanouna.

He regularly took on the Establishment, much to their fury, and over the years C8 had totted up €7.6m in broadcasting fines. In January 2023 Hanouna clashed with the far-Left MP Louis Boyard. This provoked an indignant response from the government. The then Minister of Culture, Rima Abdul Malak, used an interview with the Left-wing Le Monde newspaper to warn C8: “When, in 2025, the time comes to analyse their performance in terms of renewing their broadcasting licences, Arcom will be able to see how they have complied with these obligations.”

Hanouna said he wasn’t surprised by the decision, claiming that the “Council of State is 80 per cent made up of people on the Left of the political spectrum”. He also alleges that the man who orchestrated the closure of C8 is Alexis Kohler, Emmanuel Macron’s chief of staff. “He really wants to control broadcasting,” said Hanouna of Kohler. Around 400 journalists have lost their jobs as a result of the decision to close down the two stations. There was little sympathy from fellow journalists, trade unions or Left-wing politicians.

Marine Le Pen described the Council of State’s decision as “a terrible step backwards and a worrying decision that vindicates the ayatollahs of the one-track thinking, the dictates of a sectarian Left that only wants to see and hear one voice, that of the system”.



There is a left-wing atheistic bias to European media. The Far right in France and the AFD in Germany are marginalized for their opinions on immigration and the EU and to a lesser extent for their opposition to the Woke Virus.

But in this case, there was a legal consideration of whether or not this was a freedom of speech issue. The problems with C-8 were more about editorial control - such as the content displayed to minors for example. Stifling freedom of speech is not the right way forward but nor are channels that promote conspiracy theories to gain mass audiences.

The Trump approach to media often seems to be more about promoting Truth Social over traditional media platforms rather than a serious critique of content or promotion of freedom of speech.
 
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But yes, we have seen state censorship springing up here. But so far its a tool mostly, though not exclusively, employed by the right.

That's demonstrably false. It's the left that wants to shut down free speech. We've all had conversations on this board itself about hate speech, mean speech etc. where the left supported laws to punish those who do such things. So far they have primarily been only able to realize thier goal through corporate America and not by direct law. Biden was discovered to be working to influence social media platforms to control speech and information.
 
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I sincerely hope that you are NOT implying that President Donald Trump is a terrorist. If so, then I say to you that you really don't have any good understanding at all as to why over 76 million Americans voted him to be our President of the United States. Also, I would say to you that your definition of a Terrorist does not match up at all with the facts.
At the same time, over 79 million Americans voted for someone else. Trump is not following the Constitution or our actual laws. He may not be a terrorist, but he is a criminal (and adjudicated/self-admitted sex abuser).
 
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That's demonstrably false.
On the contrary, it is demonstrably true. Which regime has censored the free press because it used the "wrong" terms? Which regime has called for the actual imprisonment of media? Which regime has called for broadcast licenses to be pulled over unfavorable coverage? Which party has called for US Representatives to be arrested for informing their constituents of their rights? Which party has called for US representatives to be deported for speech? Give me a break!
It's the left that wants to shut down free speech.
Well, I have seen the American left objecting to slurs, but I have not seen calls for arrest over speech (other than incitement to riot), but the right glories in cancelling speakers they disapprove of.
We've all had conversations on this board itself about hate speech, mean speech etc. where the left supported laws to punish those who do such things. So far they have primarily been only able to realize thier goal through corporate America and not by direct law.
Free speech only applies to government. The right has been cancelling speech for decades, and proud of it.
Biden was discovered to be working to influence social media platforms to control speech and information.
Yeah, he had the gall to ask that revenge porn be removed. The administration also pointed out misinformation (aka lies). The horror!

Do you think there is more free speech since Co-President Musk bought Twitter? Sure, there is more racist and pro-nazi tweets but anyone who disagrees with him is likely to get removed or shadow banned.
 
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Which regime has censored the free press because it used the "wrong" terms?
Rheres been no censorship. 4he press can still write or say whatever they want.

Rhe same press who has consistently called for the censorship of others.
Which regime has called for the actual imprisonment of media?

Who's been prosecuted or imprisoned?
Which regime has called for broadcast licenses to be pulled over unfavorable coverage?
What broadcast licenses have been pulled?
Which party has called for US Representatives to be arrested for informing their constituents of their rights?
The question was raised if it was lawful to obstruct ICE. Debate on rye lawfulness of someone's actions is still.a part of free speech in this country.
Which party has called for US representatives to be deported for speech? Give me a break!
I dont know, what party? I don't recall a party calling for that.

All you've done here is criticise people for their free speech. Saying how terrible it is to have an opinion. Shouldn't people be able to have strong opinions on something? See it's rhe left when are always trying to shut down others speech.
Free speech only applies to government. The right has been cancelling speech for decades, and proud of it.

Thats right, the left wants to be more European like in regards to speech. Which is government action. That pesky 1st Ammendment. So they do what they can to control speech through corporations and showing their stripes.

The right cancelling speech? Lol.
The administration also pointed out misinformation (aka lies). The horror!

At least you admit it.
 
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Boy I'm really loving the analysis of French news media in the current age! And so much obvious indepth knowledge of the intricacies and differences between the French and American landscapes.
 
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I'd be very interested to know if anyone is foolhardy enough to repeat what Cyril Hanouna (the C8 presenter who's unpaid fine was instrumental in them losing their licence) on here, and exactly how big a wrist slapping they'd get for it.
 
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Rheres been no censorship. 4he press can still write or say whatever they want.
Not without being punished by the government for it. That's key.
Rhe same press who has consistently called for the censorship of others.
Who has the AP tried to censor? I think you're mistaken.
Who's been prosecuted or imprisoned?
What broadcast licenses have been pulled?
Who has called for it to happen?
The question was raised if it was lawful to obstruct ICE. Debate on rye lawfulness of someone's actions is still.a part of free speech in this country.
Advising people on their constitutional and other rights is not obstructing.
I dont know, what party? I don't recall a party calling for that.
Okay, not the official party itself, but members of the party.


All you've done here is criticise people for their free speech. Saying how terrible it is to have an opinion. Shouldn't people be able to have strong opinions on something? See it's rhe left when are always trying to shut down others speech.
How silly and ultimately hypocritical - here you are berating me for expressing my opinion. Talk about an accusation in a mirror!

Thats right, the left wants to be more European like in regards to speech. Which is government action. That pesky 1st Ammendment. So they do what they can to control speech through corporations and showing their stripes.
Legally speaking, "free speech" only applies to government - look it up, read that 1st Amendment.

Oh look! Trump's DOJ is cancelling speech in Ohio!
The right cancelling speech? Lol.
Gee, isn't the right still preening itself over the Bud Lite cancellation?
At least you admit it.
Admit? Pointing out lies and misinformation is suppressing "free speech"? Smh.
 
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Trump is not following the Constitution
Can you provide an example?
but I have not seen calls for arrest over speech
I don't know, some would say that refusing to wear a mask or take the covid vaccine was their free speech, but people were arrested for it.
Free speech only applies to government. The right has been cancelling speech for decades, and proud of it.
Where does it say that free speech only applies to government? Because I am certain that the freedom of speech is found in the bill of rights. So remind me again which side is violating the constitution?
Yeah, he had the gall to ask that revenge porn be removed.
I think you mean sending his FBI to censor and muzzle people for exposing the Hunter Biden laptop, origin of COVID 19, and the inability of the COVID vaccine.
 
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Not without being punished by the government for it. That's key.
I agree and the government isn't censoring them.
Who has the AP tried to censor? I think you're mistaken.

Never heard any from the press trying to stop so called mis or disinformation? How about censoring the Harris interview?
Who has called for it to happen?
Yet CBS still exists.
Advising people on their constitutional and other rights is not obstructing.

I agree, that's my opinion. Others had a different one.
Okay, not the official party itself, but members of the party.
Okay
How silly and ultimately hypocritical - here you are berating me for expressing my opinion. Talk about an accusation in a mirror!

Hey I'm not berating you. You are entitled to your opinion. I'm just letting you know I think you're wrong. But it's obvious you think people with a string opinion shouldn't be allowed to give them.
Legally speaking, "free speech" only applies to government - look it up, read that 1st Amendment.

Funny you think to lecture me when I'm actually the one that pointed out those facts to begin with and how the left tries to shut down free speech since the 1st Ammendment won't allow them to do it through the government. Even though they want to.
Gee, isn't the right still preening itself over the Bud Lite cancellation?
Nah, bud light just made a stupid advertising decision and the consumers quit buying their product. Consumers are entitled to do that.
Admit? Pointing out lies and misinformation is suppressing "free speech"? Smh.
Yes, you admitted the government was involved.
 
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Can you provide an example?
Removing birthright citizenship by fiat.


I don't know, some would say that refusing to wear a mask or take the covid vaccine was their free speech, but people were arrested for it.
Some would say the earth is flat, but some would say anything that popped into their noggins, so...
Where does it say that free speech only applies to government? Because I am certain that the freedom of speech is found in the bill of rights. So remind me again which side is violating the constitution?
Seriously? The 1st Amendment, found in the Bill of Rights, applies only to the government meaning the government cannot interfere with people's free speech.
I think you mean sending his FBI to censor and muzzle people for exposing the Hunter Biden laptop, origin of COVID 19, and the inability of the COVID vaccine.
No, I said what I meant. If you really do think I meant what you stated, then your thinking is .... off.
 
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