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I noticed that Crossway made a decision at one point to have the ESV translation perpetual and Crossway soon after retracted this decision. Their letter of retraction can be found here.
I understand why they wanted to make the 2016 ESV translation perpetual, it is nice to not have to worry about edition dates with holding a class and everyone brings their ESV bibles to follow along. Many Christians find comfort in the KJV and NKJV knowing that they aren't going to have an update every few years. The ESV is, understandably, a very popular choice among Christians.
This retraction statement does make me wonder if there is some translations in the ESV that many have an issue with though. Or if there is something more to it like copywrite ownership stuff, the dollar, or even bowing to culture demands, rather than just keeping the text open incase more ancient texts are found in the future. Maybe it is all in good faith instead rather than something shady and I am just being silly.
I did find this chart they put together that shows the changes of the 2016 update vs the previous text. However, that doesn't mean someone may not like some other translated scripture not in this list that was left alone they may want to comment about.
Fast forward to 2024 and Wayne Grudem states in an interview here ""I’m on the translation committee for the English Standard Version Bible. And we meet every 5-7 years to consider any possible revisions to the text. We haven’t met now for nine years. So we’re meeting in Wheaton, Ill., in July to consider 120-or-so suggested changes. I suspect we’ll accept 30 or 40 of those suggestions where just little tweaks to the wording make it consistent with where we’ve translated the same phrase elsewhere or something like that. Very small changes—hardly noticeable—but we feel a responsibility as the translation committee to take seriously any suggestions that people have sent."" One may be interested in reading the rest of the interview to get an idea on what is on his mind as some of the questions asked touches on politics and potiental harmful teachings creeping into the church.
> How do you feel about the ESV and the Statements made by Crossway whether it be for 2016 ESV being a Permanent Text Edition (2016) or the retraction of this statement?
> And how do you feel about this recent interview in regard to all of this?
 
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I noticed that Crossway made a decision at one point to have the ESV translation perpetual and Crossway soon after retracted this decision. Their letter of retraction can be found here.
I understand why they wanted to make the 2016 ESV translation perpetual, it is nice to not have to worry about edition dates with holding a class and everyone brings their ESV bibles to follow along. Many Christians find comfort in the KJV and NKJV knowing that they aren't going to have an update every few years. The ESV is, understandably, a very popular choice among Christians.
This retraction statement does make me wonder if there is some translations in the ESV that many have an issue with though. Or if there is something more to it like copywrite ownership stuff, the dollar, or even bowing to culture demands, rather than just keeping the text open incase more ancient texts are found in the future. Maybe it is all in good faith instead rather than something shady and I am just being silly.
I did find this chart they put together that shows the changes of the 2016 update vs the previous text. However, that doesn't mean someone may not like some other translated scripture not in this list that was left alone they may want to comment about.
Fast forward to 2024 and Wayne Grudem states in an interview here ""I’m on the translation committee for the English Standard Version Bible. And we meet every 5-7 years to consider any possible revisions to the text. We haven’t met now for nine years. So we’re meeting in Wheaton, Ill., in July to consider 120-or-so suggested changes. I suspect we’ll accept 30 or 40 of those suggestions where just little tweaks to the wording make it consistent with where we’ve translated the same phrase elsewhere or something like that. Very small changes—hardly noticeable—but we feel a responsibility as the translation committee to take seriously any suggestions that people have sent."" One may be interested in reading the rest of the interview to get an idea on what is on his mind as some of the questions asked touches on politics and potiental harmful teachings creeping into the church.
> How do you feel about the ESV and the Statements made by Crossway whether it be for 2016 ESV being a Permanent Text Edition (2016) or the retraction of this statement?
> And how do you feel about this recent interview in regard to all of this?
Interesting. I don't know how I feel about that. I also know the ESV base text is adapted for a Gideon's version and a Catholic version and I don't know how many other versions. Having invested in an ESVCE I am interested in what happens to the text.
 
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Interesting. I don't know how I feel about that. I also know the ESV base text is adapted for a Gideon's version and a Catholic version and I don't know how many other versions. Having invested in an ESVCE I am interested in what happens to the text.
Why is a Protestant Bible publisher putting a Catholic Edition and also putting verses back in the Gideon's version if they don't believe its authentic.
 
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Why is a Protestant Bible publisher putting a Catholic Edition and also putting verses back in the Gideon's version if they don't believe its authentic.
It might depend on the actual changes we are talking about in the text. I am told that they are few and minor. I am looking for that list. The basic ESV text largely coincides with Catholic translation policy as found in 'Liturgicam authenticam', which is exactly why the ESV was so appealing - it is literal, accurate, and literary at the same time. The few changes make it more suitable. This same thing was used in creating the RSVCE from the RSV. Small changes were adopted, mostly in picking the alternate readings already found in the notes to the RSV.

I did find that there is a reader's edition of the ESVCE and a lectionary edition of the RSVCE and they have a handful of differences between them.

I have no idea the differences between the Gideon version and the base ESV except in the Gideon version they do say there are differences.
 
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It might depend on the actual changes we are talking about in the text. I am told that they are few and minor. I am looking for that list. The basic ESV text largely coincides with Catholic translation policy as found in 'Liturgicam authenticam', which is exactly why the ESV was so appealing - it is literal, accurate, and literary at the same time. The few changes make it more suitable. This same thing was used in creating the RSVCE from the RSV. Small changes were adopted, mostly in picking the alternate readings already found in the notes to the RSV.

I did find that there is a reader's edition of the ESVCE and a lectionary edition of the RSVCE and they have a handful of differences between them.

I have no idea the differences between the Gideon version and the base ESV except in the Gideon version they do say there are differences.
The ESV is using a text from the UBS which in the 27th edition said it was in partnership with the Vatican and it did use the Vaticanus as a base as well. So, its really Catholic.

The Gideon's version did add some verses back to the ESV based on the Textus Recetpus but not all.

See examples. Lien vers 5 éléments
 
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The ESV is using a text from the UBS which in the 27th edition said it was in partnership with the Vatican and it did use the Vaticanus as a base as well. So, its really Catholic.
If the ESV really were Catholic there would have been no need for an ESVCE, would there?

By the way, the KJV copied quite a bit from the Catholic Douay Bible. Is the KJV then also Catholic? As originally translated it even had 73 books in it.
 
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If the ESV really were Catholic there would have been no need for an ESVCE, would there?

By the way, the KJV copied quite a bit from the Catholic Douay Bible. Is the KJV then also Catholic? As originally translated it even had 73 books in it.
No, I don't think the KJB copied from the Douary Bible, its just the way the Greek is.

Also, what think about Galatins 5:12 ESV?

The Acryopha weas not inspired, and neither did king James/translators believed it. It was there for historical purpouses. king James wrote this son he got rid of it since he was not Catholic.

They got rid of it years later when the Council of Trent came to being and they canonized the Acryopha.

 
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If the ESV really were Catholic there would have been no need for an ESVCE, would there?

By the way, the KJV copied quite a bit from the Catholic Douay Bible. Is the KJV then also Catholic? As originally translated it even had 73 books in it.
Do know what is "the Presence"?

Well, all the changes, missing verses and stuff match up with the Catholic/JW editions. It will slowly all form into a one world religion and the Vatican will have rule over the world again.
 
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Well, all the changes, missing verses and stuff match up with the Catholic/JW editions. It will slowly all form into a one world religion and the Vatican will have rule over the world again.
You're afraid of things I just don't see and don't think are real. And you aren't very familiar with the issues either, as you can't quite master the spelling of 'apocrypha' or 'Douay'. I seldom complain about people misspelling things as we all make mistakes. But I think in your case I think you just don't know much about the Douay Bible or about the books the Protestants eventually ripped out of the Bible. You making it all about one-world-Vatican-controlled-religion and at the same time about the JWs leaves me bemused. Sorry. Unless you need to add anything really critical I'm content to move on.
 
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You're afraid of things I just don't see and don't think are real. And you aren't very familiar with the issues either, as you can't quite master the spelling of 'apocrypha' or 'Douay'. I seldom complain about people misspelling things as we all make mistakes. But I think in your case I think you just don't know much about the Douay Bible or about the books the Protestants eventually ripped out of the Bible. You making it all about one-world-Vatican-controlled-religion and at the same time about the JWs leaves me bemused. Sorry. Unless you need to add anything really critical I'm content to move on.
Yes, I am familiar with the issues and I intentionally spell those wrong.
 
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