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Eleven children and two adults have been knifed at a Taylor Swift-themed event in Southport

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This is not a good stance to take.
...especially as most of the "facts" reported by Channel 3 (I imagine an American channel) are wrong. Three children were killed, not two. It was a dance event, not a yoga event. The suspect's name was not Ali-Al-Shakati. He was not an asylum seeker who arrived in the UK by boat last year, but in fact he was born in the UK.

Not being American, I don't know anything about Channel 3, but it seems as if it could do a lot to improve its fact checking before broadcasting such falsehoods.
 
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The channel appears to have been linked to Russia Today. Try Channel 3Now if you are curious. (You will be asked to accept their cookies before seeing anything)
 
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The channel appears to have been linked to Russia Today. Try Channel 3Now if you are curious. (You will be asked to accept their cookies before seeing anything)
Thanks for that information. I'm not interested enough in Channel 3 to follow the link, but thanks anyway!
 
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Thanks for that information. I'm not interested enough in Channel 3 to follow the link, but thanks anyway!
I only looked because I saw 'RT' on the now broken link in the first post. I tried to check but did not find it.
 
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UK riots plunge country into worst unrest in years, prime minister vows to apply 'full force of law'

All over misinformation.

Dozens of police officers have been hospitalized for injuries in the past six days after being struck with bricks, bottles, chairs and large wooden posts.

On Sunday, angry mobs attacked two hotels used to house asylum seekers, breaking windows and lighting fires before police dispersed the crowds and residents were evacuated.

"The disinformation that we’ve seen online attracts amplification from known bot activity, which, as I say, can be linked to state-backed activity," the spokesperson [for the PM] said.
 
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Misinformation was used by neo-Nazis; it was a pretext. There have been similarly unpleasant incidents for a long time, though not on the scale of last weekend.

The losing Conservative government continually referred to 'stopping the boats'. It was one of the main planks in the campaign. Many are wondering now how much this divisive (failed) strategy contributed to the anger on the streets.
 
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To be fair, the third child died later in hospital. And the instructor was also a yoga teacher.

But yes, all the 'facts' about the suspect were made up (except age). The far-right exploited the tragic events of last Monday for their own ends. Whether they saw this as the 'perfect' opportunity, or had riots already in mind and were just waiting for for someone non-white to attack some innocent victims, who knows.
No, it is not over mis-information. It is becoming very clear that the awful events of last Monday were nothing more than an excuss and a convenient trigger. Most of the protests and riots have occured after the suspect was named.

The riots are about anti-immigration and anti-Islam. But in some areas there are also non-violent protestors. And some counter demonstrations.

(Whyayeman posted just as I was about to)
 
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Whether they saw this as the 'perfect' opportunity, or had riots already in mind and were just waiting for for someone non-white to attack some innocent victims, who knows.
It was, no doubt, an opportunity. These events appear to have had an element of co-ordination, of organisation. The attacks were certainly not random. Somebody must have given instructions - when and where. Many rioters came on the same train to Southport and many already had their balaclavas and so on. There clearly was premeditation.
 
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The Judge at the initial Crown Court Hearing in the UK took the decision to name the defendant. The arguments against naming were he was still a minor in law (under 18 in the UK and thus covered by the Children’s Act) and once 18 that he can be seen as an adult with some vulnerabilities (ASD is a spectrum ranging from those able to be fully independent to those in need of specialised care) If he had met the threshold for specialised care then an unfit to plead would have been made And he would be referred Ina to the forensic psychiatric services for further assessments.

The judge decided it was in the public interest he was named as he is now 18, was not considered unfit to plead medically and thanks to the xenophobic idiots on social media using this tragic incident to whip up hatred against anyone not white and riots using false claims. This is an extremely unusual step.
 
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It is not all going the rioters' way. Over 400 arrests have been made. The courts are now passing exemplary sentences:

This report gives us an idea of the scale of the riots and tells us something of who is behind them. These are, I think, leading lights and their removal from the scene will make a difference.

It is clear from footage on British television that many of the rioters are young, some extremely young. but the instigators are not.
 
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Yes misinformation.

But true or not, there were/are still loads of people ready to switch to violent mode and terrorize other people over the immigration issue.
It is a tiny number really. Too many, of course but keep this in proportion, please. The rioters are generally not local to the area. They are coordinated by social media and gather at predetermined venues.
 
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It is a tiny number really. Too many, of course but keep this in proportion, please. The rioters are generally not local to the area. They are coordinated by social media and gather at predetermined venues.
Ah. Yeah I fell into the trap of using media images to paint too broad a picture.
 
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Ah. Yeah I fell into the trap of using media images to paint too broad a picture.
The images are interesting. We see a lot of by-standers who may or may not be involved but help to create the sense of a crowd. Even so, the latest number available is 428 arrests.

The footage always seems to include minors. It is impossible to know whether they are ideological or just naughty kids chucking things. One minor has been charged with aggravated arson, which a deeply serious charge, next to manslaughter in the hierarchy of offences.
 
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Some better news:

Thousands of counter-protesters have rallied in towns and cities across England after a week of rioting and disorder.
Gatherings in locations where anti-immigration protests had been expected - including north London, Bristol and Newcastle - were largely peaceful, as counter-protesters formed the bulk of the crowds.


The racists and neo-Nazis apparently thought better and stayed away . . . up to now.
 
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And this from the Guardian:

  • The more than 100 far-right gatherings that were expected to take place on Wednesday failed to materialise following the mobilisation of 6,000 riot officers and the deterrent effect of the swift arrests and court appearances of those accused of participating in the weekend’s violence. What few small, far right-led gatherings there were took place only in Durham, Blackpool, Norwich, Northampton, Sheffield and Brighton. Police were previously preparing for far-right action all over the country after a list of targets connected to asylum and immigration was circulated on social media.
  • Instead, thousands of anti-racism protesters held their own counter rallies, everywhere from Newcastle to Bristol to Birmingham, London and Brighton.

 
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